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Nothing to do with tariffs. Market manipulation. Those who were in the know before tariffs were announced sold, and avoided the slaughter. Pure market manipulation.

All of these comments are based on speculation just like the stock market itself.

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Originally Posted by dkintzer1 (Post 2422831)

They cannot afford to lose access to the largest economy in the world. They sell us way more than we sell them. In addition, many more companies are moving operations out of China. This will be one giant financial problem for China undoubtedly. This is the art of the deal in action in real time. My money, Itterly, is on Trump and the USA.

Nope.

About 9.8% of China’s foreign trade in 2024 was with the United States.

It's no longer the 70's.

Tyrants cannot understand that they don't have the leverage. Yes, China can shut off the few goods imported from the US. Can they sell their cheap stuff elsewhere? We will find out.

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Originally Posted by opinionist (Post 2422886)

Tyrants cannot understand that they don't have the leverage. Yes, China can shut off the few goods imported from the US. Can they sell their cheap stuff elsewhere? We will find out.

About 9.8% of China’s foreign trade in 2024 was with the United States.

What percent of US consumer items are made in China? Check your Walmart.

Someone on this forum will have to explain to me how replacing foreign made goods with union made US products is going to tame inflation. Two weeks ago China was allowing us to purchase real goods and products with freshly printed US dollars that have nothing backing them up. Heavily criticized Walmart has kept more families in middle class than anything I’m aware except for those freshly printed dollars. The old saying comes to mind, “be careful what you ask for”. IMHO

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 2422839)

Looks like a joke of a deal after tariffs were once again flip flopped yesterday, on Twitter!!!!

Can't negotiate, document, sign +50 country deals in a couple days............it takes time.

:loco::loco:

No "flip flopped"

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Originally Posted by Federspiel (Post 2422859)

Hope we don't back China into a corner. We could not handle 3 fronts militarily: Taiwan, Ukraine, and the Middle East.

Especially since we don't manufacture anything anymore.

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Originally Posted by Paper1 (Post 2422891)

I agree. Let's not forget prices were to be lower day 1. Day 1 of what ? How long will it take to build a factory, hire, train, modify supply lines, etc. Now how does that compete with cheap labor ? Keep feeding us the smoke and mirror tricks. Eggs down 79%. Well that means they are still higher. So what is the strategy? Prices will dramatically increase fairly quickly then we announce some stop gap plan and inflation rate slows some over the short term chaosis that was just created. At the same time we start selectively removing the new tariffs that were just incorporated. There you go - success. Smoke em if you got em. I have a list of a dozen goods like grocery, gas, auto, etc all from local venders in our area on Jan 19 2025. I'll publish that list Jan 19 2026. Any bets - prices up or down.

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Originally Posted by opinionist (Post 2422886)

Tyrants cannot understand that they don't have the leverage. Yes, China can shut off the few goods imported from the US. Can they sell their cheap stuff elsewhere? We will find out.

Tariffs certainly put Japan in their place back in the early 70s. Thankfully everything seems to be handled well so far. There are too too many microeconomic views here on this forum while our leadership has a much more macroeconomic view that will help us all in the long run. Alas, is instant gratification creeping into our senior population?

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Originally Posted by opinionist (Post 2422886)

Tyrants cannot understand that they don't have the leverage. Yes, China can shut off the few goods imported from the US. Can they sell their cheap stuff elsewhere? We will find out.

They already sell about 90% of their goods elsewhere. The world consists of more than the US and China.

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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 2422907)

Especially since we don't manufacture anything anymore.

F-35, 155mm shells, Cybertruck...

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Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 2422827)

Very naive to think that China would back down

They have the rest of the World to trade with so they certainly don't need to kow-tow to the USA

Losing face is a big no-no to Asians generally

Yeah…don’t poke the bear!