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The $$ amount of the award equaled one day of McDonald’s coffee sales. I’m a regular drinker of Mickey D’s coffee. They now carefully monitor the temperature. They got the message |
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As I heard it McD's heated the water so much to get more coffee out of the ground beans.
BTW I have been to that particular McD's a few times. Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants - Wikipedia.
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Not true, yes, but abuse really happens. A real case from my time in the insurance world:
Parents were cooking meth in their house. The chemicals caught on fire and the parents rushed to put it out, as well as start dumping the chemicals out the back door, as they feared the cops/fire fighters would see it. In the meantime, the fire has spread, catching the children on fire. They run out the front door, and are only alive because someone driving by saw them on fire in the front yard, and rushed to put them out. They suffered horrific burns over most of their bodies. I can never get those pictures out of my mind. They attempted to sue the manufacturer/import company for a lamp that they said was electrically faulty. That started the fire, not them cooking meth with flammable chemicals. Right. Perhaps they really did it with the guilty realization that they needed money to help their kids, but somehow, I doubt that. Just a couple of horrific grifters. The sad thing is that they found a law firm to take the case, thus us having to deal with the claim. It was reserved in the millions. I moved on, and never found out the result, but yes, this kind of stuff does happen. So as not to end this on a downer, a friend of mine was at a restaurant near a bay, and their cocktail napkins had a drawing of the bay, with some of the landmarks labeled. At the bottom of the napkin was a disclaimer - Not for navigation purposes. Yup. Everyone knows that you use the map on the front of the menu for navigation. More detail, and if laminated, waterproof. |
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Because too many juries are comprised of people not smart enough to get out of jury duty.
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I like instant coffee and pour it into my mug after it boils. Seems like I never put it in a place where it will come in contact with sensitive areas of my body. Not that hard. |
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Mrs. Liebeck was not driving when her coffee spilled, nor was the car she was in moving. She was the passenger in a car that was stopped in the parking lot of the McDonald’s where she bought the coffee. She had the cup between her knees while removing the lid to add cream and sugar when the cup tipped over and spilled the entire contents on her lap. The coffee was not just “hot,” but dangerously hot. McDonald’s corporate policy was to serve it at a temperature that could cause serious burns in seconds. Mrs. Liebeck’s injuries were far from frivolous. She was wearing sweatpants that absorbed the coffee and kept it against her skin. She suffered third-degree burns (the most serious kind) and required skin grafts on her inner thighs and elsewhere. Liebeck’s case was far from an isolated event. McDonald’s had received more than 700 previous reports of injury from its coffee, including reports of third-degree burns, and had paid settlements in some cases. Mrs. Liebeck offered to settle the case for $20,000 to cover her medical expenses and lost income. But McDonald’s never offered more than $800, so the case went to trial. The jury found Mrs. Liebeck to be partially at fault for her injuries, reducing the compensation for her injuries accordingly. But the jury’s punitive damages award made headlines — upset by McDonald’s unwillingness to correct a policy despite hundreds of people suffering injuries, they awarded Liebeck the equivalent of two days’ worth of revenue from coffee sales for the restaurant chain. That wasn’t, however, the end of it. The original punitive damage award was ultimately reduced by more than 80 percent by the judge. And, to avoid what likely would have been years of appeals, Mrs. Liebeck and McDonald’s later reached a confidential settlement. Here is some of the evidence the jury heard during the trial: McDonald’s operations manual required the franchisee to hold its coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit. Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, causes third-degree burns in three to seven seconds. The chairman of the department of mechanical engineering and biomechanical engineering at the University of Texas testified that this risk of harm is unacceptable, as did a widely recognized expert on burns, the editor-in-chief of the Journal of Burn Care and Rehabilitation, the leading scholarly publication in the specialty. McDonald’s admitted it had known about the risk of serious burns from its scalding hot coffee for more than 10 years. The risk had repeatedly been brought to its attention through numerous other claims and suits. An expert witness for the company testified that the number of burns was insignificant compared to the billions of cups of coffee the company served each year. At least one juror later told the Wall Street Journal she thought the company wasn’t taking the injuries seriously. To the corporate restaurant giant those 700 injury cases caused by hot coffee seemed relatively rare compared to the millions of cups of coffee served. But, the juror noted, “there was a person behind every number and I don’t think the corporation was attaching enough importance to that.” McDonald’s quality assurance manager testified that McDonald’s coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured into Styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth and throat. McDonald’s admitted at trial that consumers were unaware of the extent of the risk of serious burns from spilled coffee served at McDonald’s then-required temperature. McDonald’s admitted it did not warn customers of the nature and extent of this risk and could offer no explanation as to why it did not. In a story about the case published shortly after the verdict was delivered in 1994, one of the jurors said over the course of the trial he came to realize the case was about “callous disregard for the safety of the people.” Another juror said “the facts were so overwhelmingly against the company.” That’s because those jurors were able to hear all the facts — including those presented by McDonald’s — and see the extent of Mrs. Liebeck’s injuries. Ask anyone who criticizes the case as a “frivolous lawsuit” that resulted in “jackpot justice” if they have done the same." From: "Know the Facts:" Resources for Consumers
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Really? Have you read the responses from more than a few posters who actually believe they are true?
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But I really did want to serve on a jury. You get to see the legal system in action from up close. Last edited by Taltarzac725; 08-20-2023 at 08:03 AM. |
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What a lot of people get wrong about the infamous 1994 McDonald’s hot coffee lawsuit - Vox |
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