Remove Stone Mulch Before Applying Pine Straw?
Home

Menu



Notices

» Newsletter Signup
» Premium Tower
» Advertisements
» Trending News
» Tower Sponsors




















» Premium Sponsors
» Banner Sponsors
» Advertisements
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 08-21-2017, 10:52 AM
JohnN's Avatar
JohnN JohnN is offline
Soaring Eagle member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Village of St. James
Posts: 2,412
Default

it's Florida, you'll get weeds whether it's stone or pine mulch. The weed barrier under stone doesn't do much, because dirt and debris blow atop it and weeds take. I've had mulch for years and years, I think it's a pain, I prefer the rock. Whatever you do, don't think you won't have weeds.
__________________
Chicago, IL
Little Rock, AR
Alpharetta, GA
Searcy, AR
Village of St.James, The Villages, FL
Reply With Quote

  #12  
Old 08-22-2017, 12:32 AM
Mrs. Robinson Mrs. Robinson is offline
Veteran member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: The Villages
Posts: 630
Default

Regardless of what prior posters have said, there is nothing good about using stones in place of mulch, unless you simply like the look of them.
Yes -- they do "bake" the plants and also the soil. The only reason plants survive is because they are getting enough water.
Newspaper and mulch break down and add nutrients to the soil.

Be very careful about using herbicides to kill weeds. Have you heard about the issues and the lawsuits stemming from the use of them?



If you like the look of your stones, you might as well keep them since you already have them.
Just remember to fertilize your plants, shrubs and trees and to give them enough water.
No matter what you do, you will always have weeds. It's a fact of life!
__________________
If the broom fits, ride it!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
You will get tons of opinions
  #13  
Old 08-24-2017, 09:37 AM
suesiegel suesiegel is online now
Gold member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,265
Default You will get tons of opinions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Acinonyx View Post
We bought a home in the Village of Collier. Our shrub beds are mulched with red stone that I gather was a standard by the developer. We get a lot of weeds and such growing through it. One landscaper said the stones should be removed and replaced with the pine straw mulch the developer uses all over the place.

I know the pine straw needs to be applied annually. If we were to do this, do the red stones need to be removed before another mulch is put down?

Thx in advance!
From my reading and experience.
Re: Pine straw-which is what we have
It is a natural and renewable substance thus it is favored by such groups as the COOPERATIVE EXTENSION.
The cooperative extension will discourage the use of such products as Cyprus which is rot resistant and probably less costly then pine straw. It is being or has been over harvested and so is discouraged by the COOPERATIVE EXTENSION.
Pine Straw-pine needles that naturally fall from the trees,
will decompose, rot, and become sorely needed in Florida, organic matter. All you need to do is add more on thin spots. We have 5000 sq ft of lawn with beds all around our home. I add roughly 3-4 bails of pine straw each year and they cost about $3.00 a bail.
RE: Landscape fabric
REMINDER-we do not have it so I declare my prejudice.
It does block a percentage of the water from rain or sprinklers. To plant anything, a bush, annuals etc, you need to cut a hole in the fabric. You cannot or should not go right up to the stem of any plant. It does not last forever. As stated by others, the weeds refuse to cooperate. They are resourceful and stubborn. There are seeds already in your."soil." the birds, wind, and your and your neighbors lawn,"care" people drop in more. Oh and your grass St Augustine, Zoyzia both send out runners which can travel great distances.

You will have more weeds without landscape fabric but they are far easier to pull out. With landscape fabric you need to pull weeds by hand-you cannot use tools. If, you do they will obviously tear and pull up the fabric.

PRODUCTS SUCH AS PREEN-it kills ALL seeds as they start to germinate. I don't know but based on my experience it is never 100% efficient. So, you still end up pulling weeds.
If, I recall, Preen is supposed to work for two months. Perhaps, they claim three. Nature is a miracle. Different weeds or plants, grow from seeds at different times. Thus,
assuming 100% effective, which it is not, you will still need to pull the weeds that started growing before you applied the Preen or the ones that will grow after the Preen looses it's effectiveness. Oh, and such products do not control plants that grow from stylons-runners from your grass for example.

IN ANSWER TO THE POSTED QUESTION-I would either resort to hand weeding the rocks or I would REMOVE both the rocks and the landscape fabric and apply the Pine Straw or Cypress mulch. As I said previously, I would lean toward the pine straw.

My view EASY is good. If, you choose to fight with nature-YOU ARE WAY OUTCLASSED.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-25-2017, 02:39 AM
Mrs. Robinson Mrs. Robinson is offline
Veteran member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: The Villages
Posts: 630
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by suesiegel View Post
From my reading and experience.
Re: Pine straw-which is what we have
It is a natural and renewable substance thus it is favored by such groups as the COOPERATIVE EXTENSION.
The cooperative extension will discourage the use of such products as Cyprus which is rot resistant and probably less costly then pine straw. It is being or has been over harvested and so is discouraged by the COOPERATIVE EXTENSION.
Pine Straw-pine needles that naturally fall from the trees,
will decompose, rot, and become sorely needed in Florida, organic matter. All you need to do is add more on thin spots. We have 5000 sq ft of lawn with beds all around our home. I add roughly 3-4 bails of pine straw each year and they cost about $3.00 a bail.
RE: Landscape fabric
REMINDER-we do not have it so I declare my prejudice.
It does block a percentage of the water from rain or sprinklers. To plant anything, a bush, annuals etc, you need to cut a hole in the fabric. You cannot or should not go right up to the stem of any plant. It does not last forever. As stated by others, the weeds refuse to cooperate. They are resourceful and stubborn. There are seeds already in your."soil." the birds, wind, and your and your neighbors lawn,"care" people drop in more. Oh and your grass St Augustine, Zoyzia both send out runners which can travel great distances.

You will have more weeds without landscape fabric but they are far easier to pull out. With landscape fabric you need to pull weeds by hand-you cannot use tools. If, you do they will obviously tear and pull up the fabric.

PRODUCTS SUCH AS PREEN-it kills ALL seeds as they start to germinate. I don't know but based on my experience it is never 100% efficient. So, you still end up pulling weeds.
If, I recall, Preen is supposed to work for two months. Perhaps, they claim three. Nature is a miracle. Different weeds or plants, grow from seeds at different times. Thus,
assuming 100% effective, which it is not, you will still need to pull the weeds that started growing before you applied the Preen or the ones that will grow after the Preen looses it's effectiveness. Oh, and such products do not control plants that grow from stylons-runners from your grass for example.

IN ANSWER TO THE POSTED QUESTION-I would either resort to hand weeding the rocks or I would REMOVE both the rocks and the landscape fabric and apply the Pine Straw or Cypress mulch. As I said previously, I would lean toward the pine straw.

My view EASY is good. If, you choose to fight with nature-YOU ARE WAY OUTCLASSED.
You are correct that cypresses have been over harvested, unfortunately. It is more expensive than pine straw but it does break down -- not as quickly as pine bark, as a comparison, however.

Melaleuca is an excellent mulch, but for whatever the reason, I cannot find in this area.
__________________
If the broom fits, ride it!
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-26-2017, 04:04 AM
Sprinkler Buddy's Avatar
Sprinkler Buddy Sprinkler Buddy is offline
TOTV SPONSOR
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Florida
Posts: 76
Default

Weeds will be slowing soon! Fall is just around the corner! I like to re-mulch if needed after the Fall leaves have fallen.
__________________
Sprinkler Buddy - Not Sold in Stores! Keeps Lawn Sprinkler Heads VISIBLE.
Visit sprinklerbuddy.com to learn more.
Reply With Quote
Thanks to All!
  #16  
Old 08-27-2017, 09:23 AM
Acinonyx's Avatar
Acinonyx Acinonyx is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Collier
Posts: 4
Default Thanks to All!

I did not know what to expect by way of responses to my OP about stone mulch and pine straw. I could not be more delighted with so many, very thoughtful and insightful bits of wisdom and advice! Thank you so much!

The inevitability of weeding seems pretty clear, regardless of other choices made. Best for me to accept that!

You folks are simply terrific!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
straw, pine, mulch, red, stones
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:01 PM.


Clubs, Vendor Tools vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.