[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Much of that increase? If we take the largest increase, 16% for colorectal cancer, and use 600,000 for the number of all cancer deaths in one year, that would give 96,000 additional deaths over 5 years. Obviously, that 16% would not hold for ALL causes since it doesn't hold for all cancers and doesn't really make sense for accidents. BUT EVEN IF IT DID HOLD, it would mean 455,000 additional deaths over 5 years. Since there have been 1.5 million additional deaths over three years, at the very best, it would explain less than 30% of the additional deaths that have occurred, leaving over 1 million deaths in the past three years with no explanation other than Covid.

Still reading the rest of the article so maybe there are some details I missed.

Colorectal cancer is but one part of the equation. Breast cancer is another. There are more...

400K here, 400K there... Pretty soon you're talking real numbers...

And remember, I never said there wasn't an increase in deaths. I simply said I don't believe that the numbers they are presenting are accurate. Hence my "died with covid, not necessarily from covid" comment...

[mickey100]

I find it hard to believe people won't get Covid shots. There are so many false claims circulating about the shots, and people don't seem to be able to ascertain what is true and what isn't. What we do know is that the vaccines been given to millions of people, are safe, and very good at preventing serious or fatal cases of Covid. The risk of serious side effects from these vaccines is tiny, similiar to what would be expected with any other vaccine. And it gives some protection against long Covid. I have 2 friends who contracted long covid as a result of infection before shots were available, and it has changed their lives forever. But the Covid virus mutates and new strains are circulating that our previous vaccinations aren't going to be effective for, like what we experience with the flu. The population will need periodic boosters. You get an annual flu shot, right? Your doctor is recommending a Covid booster. Try listening to him or her.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by mickey100

You get an annual flu shot, right? Your doctor is recommending a Covid booster. Try listening to him or her.

Yes, I got an annual flu shot.
My doctor does not recommend a Covid booster for me.
I will listen to him.
(not that it really matters but he is a Democrat )

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Yes, I got an annual flu shot.
My doctor does not recommend a Covid booster for me.
I will listen to him.
(not that it really matters but he is a Democrat )

Likewise (except the political affiliation, which I am not informed of).

However, keep in mind the flu shot is a killed virus vaccine and has been in use for years without incident, whereas the Covid vax is mRNA which has been around a very short period of time, did not undergo complete testing and has been potentially linked to some negative effects.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

“Ron DeSantis—going against CDC guidelines—advises Florida residents under 65 to avoid getting the COVID booster. Gov. Ron DeSantis goes against federal guidelines recommending a COVID-19 booster. Despite increasing cases of COVID-19, Gov. Ron DeSantis and his administration are urging against the booster shot.”

Posted when you enter the Forum:

"NO POLITICAL REFERENCES ARE ALLOWED ON THE WEBSITE..."

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Likewise (except the political affiliation, which I am not informed of).

However, keep in mind the flu shot is a killed virus vaccine and has been in use for years without incident, whereas the Covid vax is mRNA which has been around a very short period of time, did not undergo complete testing and has been potentially linked to some negative effects.

Flu vaccine has not been used "without incident." GBS is a generally accepted, extremely rare, but possible side effect. The incident rate for GBS was higher when they came out with the swine flu vaccine in the 1970's and it was believed to be the virus used to create the vaccine that caused it but that was never proven. Vomiting, diarrhea, fever, palpitations and shortness of breath are among the more severe known side effects.

In addition, the nasal spray for the flu is an attenuated virus, which means it was created from the live virus, NOT an inactivated virus. It comes with it all the possible symptoms of the actual flu, but on a less severe scale.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Vicxyz

Know the risks before getting another Covid “vaccine.”

‘Definite Causal Link’ Between COVID Vaccine Rollouts and Peaks in All-Cause Mortality, New Study Finds • Children's Health Defense

Political conspiracy theory...

Children's Health Defense - Wikipedia

Children's Health Defense is an American 501(c)(3) nonprofit activist group mainly known for anti-vaccine disinformation and has been identified as one of the main sources of misinformation on vaccines.[1][2][3][4][5][6] Founded under the name World Mercury Project in 2011, it is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.[7][8] The group has been campaigning against various public health programs, such as vaccination and fluoridation of drinking water.[9] The group has been contributing to vaccine hesitancy in the United States, encouraging citizens and legislators to support anti-vaccine regulations and legislation.[10][11] Arguments against vaccination are contradicted by overwhelming scientific consensus about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

FactChecking Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - FactCheck.org

"Kennedy also played a part in one of the worst measles outbreaks in recent memory. In 2018, two infants in American Samoa died when nurses accidentally prepared the combined measles, mumps and rubella, or MMR, vaccine with expired muscle relaxant rather than water.

The Samoan government temporarily suspended the vaccination program, and anti-vaccine advocates — including Kennedy and his nonprofit — flooded the area with misinformation.

The vaccination rate dropped to a dangerously low level. The next year, when a traveler brought measles to the islands, the disease tore through the population, sickening more than 5,700 people and killing 83, most of them young children."

[Altavia]

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[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Flu vaccine has not been used "without incident." GBS is a generally accepted, extremely rare, but possible side effect. The incident rate for GBS was higher when they came out with the swine flu vaccine in the 1970's and it was believed to be the virus used to create the vaccine that caused it but that was never proven. Vomiting, diarrhea, fever, palpitations and shortness of breath are among the more severe known side effects.

In addition, the nasal spray for the flu is an attenuated virus, which means it was created from the live virus, NOT an inactivated virus. It comes with it all the possible symptoms of the actual flu, but on a less severe scale.

Between 1-2 cases of GBS per Million flu vaccine doses given... With the Covid vaccine, it was 8.1 per Million... Just a tad higher, no?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Between 1-2 cases of GBS per Million flu vaccine doses given... With the Covid vaccine, it was 8.1 per Million... Just a tad higher, no?

But that 8.1 per million was only for the J&J vaccine and not for the mRNA vaccines (at least according to the CDC and Cleveland Clinic)

[Happydaz]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Between 1-2 cases of GBS per Million flu vaccine doses given... With the Covid vaccine, it was 8.1 per Million... Just a tad higher, no?

“Just a tad is correct.” .0002 % versus .0008% Statistically significant? That would be a question for experts.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Yes, I got an annual flu shot.
My doctor does not recommend a Covid booster for me.
I will listen to him.
(not that it really matters but he is a Democrat )

So your doctor is a Democrat, good for him, but I can't imagine why you would include that. I guess some people have to make everything political.

Perhaps it didn't occur to you may have personal health issues that preclude you from getting this particular vaccine. You may have had a serious reaction in the past, be allergic to an ingredient, or have certain heart conditions or other health conditions that your very smart Democrat doctor is being careful about.

But it does appear that the medical community is recommending the Covid booster for people 65 years and older, barring any health conditions which would preclude the vaccination. I personally would listen to my doctor rather than succumb to scare tactics found on the internet.

[Stu from NYC]

Good medical advise comes from people trained and in the business of taking care of people.

Heard it on the internet is not that.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by mickey100

So your doctor is a Democrat, good for him, but I can't imagine why you would include that. I guess some people have to make everything political.

Perhaps it didn't occur to you may have personal health issues that preclude you from getting this particular vaccine. You may have had a serious reaction in the past, be allergic to an ingredient, or have certain heart conditions or other health conditions that your very smart Democrat doctor is being careful about.

But it does appear that the medical community is recommending the Covid booster for people 65 years and older, barring any health conditions which would preclude the vaccination. I personally would listen to my doctor rather than succumb to scare tactics found on the internet.

I included the political reference because many in this thread believe and have posted that the decision is political, when it's not.
I have none of the issues you listed. In fact, I am very healthy.
I do listen to my doctor when he tells me I don't need it.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Velvet

But then, why were those hospitals in New York, for example, so overwhelmed they had to use navy ships to treat the sick, and in California they erected tents to treat Covid patients because even the hallways were full? And the the morgues so absolutely at capacity they did not know where to stack the dead? And the scene was repeated in many countries.

The USNS Comfort hospital ship holds fewer than 80 patients in New York City, leaving nearly 90% of its available space unused after its emergency dispatch to the U.S. epicenter of the coronavirus crisis.

Hi Velvet. The Navy ship sat empty, as did the tents set up in Central Park by the sheep pens. Really there is no ise debating this. If you feel it is to your benefit to continue with the vaccine boosters, then continue to get them. We can disagree and still be friends.