[Whitley]

Originally Posted by JMintzer View Post
I had a very mild case of Covid a year before any vaccine was available. Whom do I thank?

If we are to believe what Fauci was saying, a bat in a wet market. If we are to believe his emails, it could be the Wuhan Lab.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC View Post
Well we have had vaccines and boosters and got covid twice but both mild cases.

Until my doctor says no will continue
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My cardiologist in NY lost his license for selling salt tablets as currently unapproved but proven effective BP treatment. The doc had a gambling problem. Went on for many years. What I am saying is you should take what your doctor says into consideration (giving it more weight than other views) BUT if you hear contrary views you may want to get a second opinion. Doctors are human after all (in spite of what some of them may say)

[UpNorth]

First the vax, then the masks, next we will be instructed to walk like sheep one-way down the aisles at WalMart.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean View Post
Agree with this. Hubby and I have had Covid only once that we know of. Both of us experienced very mild symptoms.......thanks to the vaccine.
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I had covid and never even knew I had it, thanks to my not getting the vaccine. Of course my post is silly. How would I know how covid would have affected me had I gotten the vaccine?
My business partner (vaxxed and double boosted, age 58) developed a prior undiagnosed heart issue. He went in for a procedure to take a sample (biopsy) of tissue and passed during what he told me was a routine procedure. I went to pick him up for the drive home and he was gone. I would be dishonest if I said it was caused by the vaccine and boosters he got. I would be dishonest if I said it was not caused by the vaccine and boosters. I have no way of knowing, just as we have no way of knowing how severe covid would be to us as a vaccinated or unvaccinated individual.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Originally Posted by coffeebean View Post
Agree with this. Hubby and I have had Covid only once that we know of. Both of us experienced very mild symptoms.......thanks to the vaccine.
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I had covid and never even knew I had it, thanks to my not getting the vaccine. Of course my post is silly. How would I know how covid would have affected me had I gotten the vaccine?
My business partner (vaxxed and double boosted, age 58) developed a prior undiagnosed heart issue. He went in for a procedure to take a sample (biopsy) of tissue and passed during what he told me was a routine procedure. I went to pick him up for the drive home and he was gone. I would be dishonest if I said it was caused by the vaccine and boosters he got. I would be dishonest if I said it was not caused by the vaccine and boosters. I have no way of knowing, just as we have no way of knowing how severe covid would be to us as a vaccinated or unvaccinated individual.

This is where data analysis on large scale helps, one can isolate significant factors mathematically, what countries practice to make policy decisions (sometimes).

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC View Post
Well we have had vaccines and boosters and got covid twice but both mild cases.

Until my doctor says no will continue
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My cardiologist in NY lost his license for selling salt tablets as currently unapproved but proven effective BP treatment. The doc had a gambling problem. Went on for many years. What I am saying is you should take what your doctor says into consideration (giving it more weight than other views) BUT if you hear contrary views you may want to get a second opinion. Doctors are human after all (in spite of what some of them may say)

Adding salt to lower BP? Really? My understanding is to consume less salt.

[Byte1]

Amazing! So, one poster is very adamant that they had a very "mild" case of covid because they had their vaccination. That same person suggests that someone that did NOT get the vaccination and had a mild case, did so because of "viral load." Amazing! So, all but one of my children and grandchildren had Covid and minor symptoms, before the vaccination was available. All of them must attribute their mild symptoms due to viral load. I've never had the Flu and haven't had a flu shot in over 50 years. I guess that is due to viral load? Or maybe I have never been exposed to the flu virus in 50 years? On the other hand, I know one family member and his wife that have had every booster available and has had covid at least three times, and were miserable each time. I guess they would have been hospitalized if they did not have the vaccination? I am NOT saying that they wouldn't have. And I am not suggesting that the poster is making assumptions based on "expert" statements. Since I can not claim to be an expert medical professional, I can not make a statement with the same certainty. I am just glad that those that are soooo certain that they have been "saved" from hospitalization and death due to having a vaccination, are still with us today. Of course, there are also many that have suggested that the vaccination has a record of major side effect too. In the past year, I have noticed that many athletes (that should be in excellent physical shape) have died of heart attacks. News worthy since it was noted that they had their vaccinations. Just saying.
And NO, I do not know where the OP might secure their booster shots.
And yes, I think I might have had Covid once, but I treated it as a cold and did not get tested for Covid. But, my spouse tested and the test came back positive. She had a minor case, apparently. Must be because she had her first vaccination. She says she is not going to get boosters.

[retiredguy123]

Got my RSV and Covid shots at Walgreens today. The Covid was the Pfizer brand even though all my other shots were Moderna. Easy peasy.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Adding salt to lower BP? Really? My understanding is to consume less salt.

That, along with stealing over 6 figures from mostly elderly patients could be why they pulled his license. It's a thought, no? The patients had no idea they were salt tablets (like you they would know salt is not a great BP med.. The good doc (who really was a great guy prior to his weakness with gambling) was scamming us. He came from a lower economic end of India and raised himself to being a cardiologist in one of the wealthiest suburbs outside NYC. Very unfortunate.

Point I am making is that it is proper to place a lot of trust in your doctor, BUT getting a second opinion (or more) for significant life/health events is prudent. Doctors are human, with the same frailties as others (sorry docs). Not all are shining examples of humanity. You owe it to yourself to be educated on what you do to your body.

[Whitley]

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[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Whitley

That, along with stealing over 6 figures from mostly elderly patients could be why they pulled his license. It's a thought, no? The patients had no idea they were salt tablets (like you they would know salt is not a great BP med.. The good doc (who really was a great guy prior to his weakness with gambling) was scamming us. He came from a lower economic end of India and raised himself to being a cardiologist in one of the wealthiest suburbs outside NYC. Very unfortunate.

Point I am making is that it is proper to place a lot of trust in your doctor, BUT getting a second opinion (or more) for significant life/health events is prudent. Doctors are human, with the same frailties as others (sorry docs). Not all are shining examples of humanity. You owe it to yourself to be educated on what you do to your body.

As Ronald Reagon said trust but verify.

When we get blood tests we review them and understand that some changes in our medications might be necessary but reviewing info on google lets me discuss with Dr intelligently. I hope what I said was intelligent.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Whitley

I wonder if someone who is vaxxed and boosted and still gets a bad case of covid, would be able to say "..Sure I am vaxxed and boosted, and sure I am very very sick with covid, but were it not for the shot I'd be dead". ?

They might. They might also consider that vaccines are not100% effective and sometimes s*** just happens.

When three of us got the flu even though we all had the vaccine we didn’t jump to accuse the Govt and vaccine manufacturers of fraud and we didn’t say, “if only there had been 12 years of testing…”

I would like to find the numbers for vaccinated and unvaccinated deaths but I doubt they are available. Unfortunately, if they were available I’m sure many would misinterpret them so maybe it’s better if they are not.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

As Ronald Reagon said trust but verify.

When we get blood tests we review them and understand that some changes in our medications might be necessary but reviewing info on google lets me discuss with Dr intelligently. I hope what I said was intelligent.

Being a doctor today is not what many of the older docs (our age) signed up for. Speaking with one of my doctors yesterday, and was told to make it today doctors have to join large groups with an office staff. In addition to the help filing and submitting everything, such groups get an added admin or structure fee (i forget the word he used), which he is not given as a private practice. I need to go to a large group for some of my doctors (had stage3 when younger) and find that in the large groups I rarely see the doctor him/herself.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

They might. They might also consider that vaccines are not100% effective and sometimes s*** just happens.

When three of us got the flu even though we all had the vaccine we didn’t jump to accuse the Govt and vaccine manufacturers of fraud and we didn’t say, “if only there had been 12 years of testing…”

I would like to find the numbers for vaccinated and unvaccinated deaths but I doubt they are available. Unfortunately, if they were available I’m sure many would misinterpret them so maybe it’s better if they are not.

Lower hospitalization rates have been published broadly.

Here's a study that includes recent hospitalization and death rates.

https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/fil...Vaccinated.pdf

Background

Vaccination is an important tool for controlling the COVID-19 pandemic. COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective at reducing the risk of severe infections, being hospitalized, and dying from COVID-19.

Approximately 70% of the Washington population ages 6 months and older has completed the primary
COVID-19 vaccine series and over half of the population has received at least one booster dose (shot).
Unvaccinated Washingtonians are at risk of serious outcomes such as being hospitalized and dying due to COVID-19. Because vaccination rates vary across the state between different age and demographic groups, some populations may be more vulnerable to these serious outcomes.

Although COVID-19 vaccines work well to protect against severe infections, being hospitalized, and dying from COVID-19, some people who are vaccinated with the primary series or who have received a booster dose will still get COVID-19 if they are exposed to the virus. As more individuals become vaccinated it is natural to see more vaccinated individuals get COVID-19, and even be hospitalized or die from COVID-19. However, because people who have completed the primary series and received at least one booster dose are much less likely to be hospitalized or die compared to those who are unvaccinated, increasing vaccination rates remains important to protect Washingtonians from severe COVID-19 infections and save lives.

[Byte1]

18 pages. Did the OP get their question answered?