[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Byte1

18 pages. Did the OP get their question answered?

Yes, OP answered it himself in POST #9
The rest of the posts were posters having their little tit-for-tat striving for one up manship spats.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

They might. They might also consider that vaccines are not100% effective and sometimes s*** just happens.

When three of us got the flu even though we all had the vaccine we didn’t jump to accuse the Govt and vaccine manufacturers of fraud and we didn’t say, “if only there had been 12 years of testing…”

I would like to find the numbers for vaccinated and unvaccinated deaths but I doubt they are available. Unfortunately, if they were available I’m sure many would misinterpret them so maybe it’s better if they are not.

You can't even get the real number of "covid deaths", since many states have had to "revise" their numbers due to over-reporting... And many are still calling anyone who died with a positive covid test a "covid death"...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Byte1

18 pages. Did the OP get their question answered?

Multiple times. You just had to dig thru the garbage to find the answers...

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Multiple times. You just had to dig thru the garbage to find the answers...

If you would have asked would have lent you a shovel

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You can't even get the real number of "covid deaths", since many states have had to "revise" their numbers due to over-reporting... And many are still calling anyone who died with a positive covid test a "covid death"...

Retrospective analysis of excess mortality rates shows COVID deaths were under reported.

COVID-19 Deaths in the US Continue to Be Undercounted, Research Shows, Despite Claims of ‘Overcounts’ | SPH

During the first two years of the pandemic – from March 2020 to February 2022 – there were between 996,869 and 1,278,540 excess deaths in the U.S. Among these, 866,187 were recognized as COVID-19 on death certificates.

This means that there were between 130,682 and 412,353 more excess deaths than COVID-19 deaths. The gap between excess deaths and COVID-19 deaths was large in both the first and second years of the pandemic. This suggests that COVID-19 deaths were undercounted even after the pandemic’s chaotic early months

Major studies have also concluded that excess deaths exceeded COVID-19 deaths at the national level during the first two years of the pandemic. And preliminary analyses by our team have found that the gap between excess deaths and COVID-19 deaths has persisted into the third year of the pandemic. This suggests that COVID-19 deaths are still being undercounted

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Global analysid

The WHO estimates of excess mortality associated with the COVID-19 pandemic | Nature

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Retrospective analysis of excess mortality rates shows COVID deaths were under reported.

COVID-19 Deaths in the US Continue to Be Undercounted, Research Shows, Despite Claims of ‘Overcounts’ | SPH

During the first two years of the pandemic – from March 2020 to February 2022 – there were between 996,869 and 1,278,540 excess deaths in the U.S. Among these, 866,187 were recognized as COVID-19 on death certificates.

This means that there were between 130,682 and 412,353 more excess deaths than COVID-19 deaths. The gap between excess deaths and COVID-19 deaths was large in both the first and second years of the pandemic. This suggests that COVID-19 deaths were undercounted even after the pandemic’s chaotic early months

Major studies have also concluded that excess deaths exceeded COVID-19 deaths at the national level during the first two years of the pandemic. And preliminary analyses by our team have found that the gap between excess deaths and COVID-19 deaths has persisted into the third year of the pandemic. This suggests that COVID-19 deaths are still being undercounted

...

Global analysid

The WHO estimates of excess mortality associated with the COVID-19 pandemic | Nature

Nothing you just posted refutes a single thing I said...

If you tally garbage information, you get garbage outcome...

[mickey100]

Its impossible to come up with exact numbers, due to methods of reporting, under-reporting in the early stages, etc., but it still appears that at the end of 2020, by conservative estimates there were 2-3 million deaths globally due to Covid. And the annual numbers of flu deaths per year is something like 300,000-600,000. So trying to minimize the number of deaths, or say that Covid is just like the flu, is just utter nonsense. Consider also the people who had Covid who had long term problems that didn't resolve. Also there were indirect deaths due to Covid, since the hospitals were so overwhelmed with Covid cases, that people couldn't get treatment for certain diseases or conditions. And some estimates for Covid related deaths are much, much higher. The bottom line is, it is a disease with serious consequences and we are fortunate to now have the vaccines.

[billethkid]

A discussion of the survivor rates would no doubt yield a different outlook/conclusion.

There have been millions/billions of injections world wide......yet the discussion always seems to hover around the lesser statistics.

These comments are not intended to minimize/demean the significance of the lower incidence numbers impacts on peoples lives.

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[Moesly]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.

Couldn't agree more with this statement.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Its impossible to come up with exact numbers, due to methods of reporting, under-reporting in the early stages, etc., but it still appears that at the end of 2020, by conservative estimates there were 2-3 million deaths globally due to Covid. And the annual numbers of flu deaths per year is something like 300,000-600,000. So trying to minimize the number of deaths, or say that Covid is just like the flu, is just utter nonsense. Consider also the people who had Covid who had long term problems that didn't resolve. Also there were indirect deaths due to Covid, since the hospitals were so overwhelmed with Covid cases, that people couldn't get treatment for certain diseases or conditions. And some estimates for Covid related deaths are much, much higher. The bottom line is, it is a disease with serious consequences and we are fortunate to now have the vaccines.

Most of the deaths were in the early stages. The virus is weaker now. Using data form 2020 as if it is still pertinent is disingenuous.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.

The flu vaccines are re-formulated every year. So I guess you'll never get a flu shot.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The flu vaccines are re-formulated every year. So I guess you'll never get a flu shot.

Nice non-sequitur... One has nothing to do with the other...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Nice non-sequitur... One has nothing to do with the other...

Pretty sure the current flu formulation hasn’t been tested for 12 - 15 years as the previous poster required. Seems right on point

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Pretty sure the current flu formulation hasn’t been tested for 12 - 15 years as the previous poster required. Seems right on point

Yes, but the delivery system of the flu shot HAS been tested for WAAAY more than 12-15 years... It's just the attenuated virus that changes...

So, no... No where near on point...

[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

Keep boosting, baby. Their profits.