No, over 1 million died WITH Covid, not necessarily FROM Covid...

Care to explain why Flu cases dropped to almost nothing in the 2020-2021 flu season? And why they were only about 30% of normal in 2021-2022?

"According to the CDC, the estimated number of annual flu cases in the U.S. each year since 2016 is as follows:

29 million cases in 2016-2017
41 million cases in 2017-2018
29 million cases in 2018-2019
36 million cases in 2019-2020
9 million cases in 2021-2022

Estimates aren’t available for the 2020-2021 flu season due to minimal influenza activity."

Much of that "increase in the overall death rate" has been attributed to lack of care for chronically ill patients, lack of cancer screening and treatment, and the difficulty in scheduling life saving surgery during the pandemic.

Sick patients were afraid to leave the house and put off doctor visits and care...

I saw it in my limited scope of practice. Patients who would normally come in for diabetic foot care stopped coming in until an emergency set in...

I saw a significant increase in vascular emergencies, foot ulcerations and infections...

With Covid, from Covid, whatever... Over 1 million more died than would have been expected without the pandemic. Now, maybe there were a lot more slip and fall accidents or maybe there were a lot more deaths from liver disease or maybe there were a lot of deaths from bad ground beef but that is doubtful. SOMETHING led to over 1 million additional deaths and whether "with" or "from," the deaths were Covid-related.

This CDC Flu site has numbers for deaths by flu. Flu deaths were down significantly in calendar year 2021 but still not zero. Not sure what the dates are for a flu season but since there are no weeks with zero deaths, the 2020-2021 season had flu deaths as well.

COVID Vaccine
 

I couldn't agree more with ur comments. There have been many adverse outcomes, in people with chronic medical conditions, post cancer tx etc. that had been kept from the public.The content of the new COVID vaccine affects the mRNA, which messes up one's DNA to a point that we'll never really know the effects for years.

Leave, no RUN from any type of COVID vaccine, is my best recommendation!
MS RN 50+ years

Left hand did not know about right hand.

Apparently, you didn't bother to read my very next post before responding. You know, the post where I explained the reason for much of the increased death tolls...

All URI's declined during COVID due to non-pharmaceutical interventions to slow down the spread of infection and lessen the burden on health care systems.


https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...utton%20sticky


Abstract |

The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) caused substantial global morbidity and deaths, leading governments to turn to non-pharmaceutical interventions to slow down the spread of infection and lessen the burden on health care systems.

These policies have evolved over the course of the COVID-19 pandemic, including after the availability of COVID-19 vaccines, with regional and country-level differences in their ongoing use. The COVID-19 pandemic has been associated with changes in respiratory virus infections worldwide, which have differed between virus types.

Reductions in respiratory virus infections, including by influenza virus and respiratory syncytial virus, were most notable at the onset
of the COVID-19 pandemic and continued in varying degrees through subsequent waves of SARS-CoV-2 infections. The decreases in community infection burden have resulted in reduced hospitalizations and deaths associated with non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory infections.

Respiratory virus evolution relies on the maintaining of a diverse genetic pool, but evidence of genetic bottlenecking brought on by case reduction during the COVID-19 pandemic has resulted in reduced genetic diversity of some respiratory viruses, including influenza virus.

By describing the differences in these changes between viral species across different geographies over the course of the COVID-19 pandemic, we may better understand the complex factors involved
in community co-circulation of respiratory viruses.

...

Conclusions

The COVID-19 pandemic has led to unprecedented societal and human behaviour changes that have altered the community circulation of non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory viruses.

Although changes in testing priorities and available resources may have influenced the earliest reports of non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory virus activity, subsequent studies across multiple geographic locations have shown consistent reductions in the activity of most respiratory virus species. However, as the COVID-19 pandemic progressed, there were increasing differences in the application of NPIs and community circulation of SARS-CoV-2 that led to variability in the return of some respiratory viruses.

Most notably, influenza virus activity, including the clinical burden of disease and paediatric mortality, remained low through the 2020-2021 season before influenza virus activity increased in 2021-2022.
While influenza A and influenza B viruses have begun circulating more widely, influenza B/ Yamagata viruses have hardly been detected, and ongoing surveillance will inform whether these viruses might be extinct.

Detections of RSV infections initially remained low, with the resurgence of interseasonal circulation in many locations since 2021.

There is also evidence that influenza virus diversity and RSV diversity have been reduced as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, but whether these changes are maintained requires continued surveillance and genomic analyses.

Unlike many of the enveloped viruses, non-enveloped viruses, including rhinovirus, demonstrated remarkable persistence through NPIs, with early evidence showing similar species circulation before and during the COVID-19 pandemic. In part, the persistence of non-enveloped viruses despite NPI implementation may be due to prolonged shedding, their greater diversity and their persistence on environmental surfaces.

These collective findings and lessons learned during the COVID-19 pandemic have important implications for pandemic preparedness. Although the changes in circulation of non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory viruses cannot be attributed to any one factor, the near-simultaneous implementation of NPIs at individual, community, environmental and country levels, in addition to behavioural changes, seems to have been an important contributor to reducing community circulation, decreasing the associated health care burden and blunting the evolution of non-SARS-CoV-2 respiratory viruses. As such, these collective NPI strategies and global collaboration will be important public health considerations for the next pandemic.

The whole subject of Covid and Vaccine has become politicized, and polarized along entrenched party lines.
Everyone now seems to have developed 20-20 hindsight, and is now an expert virologist, and could have done better than those who had the nightmare of trying to control the initial outbreak of the pandemic.
Any who disagrees with an opinion is a sheep, or an idiot
Personally I will stick with my doctors advise, not some public social media outlet, or the QAnon etc. loonies.
My doctors they got me near 84 years down the road in reasonable working order, I'll stick with them..

What is not apparent, apparently, is that your post had not been posted when I began writing mine.

I would really like to see the numbers that back up that explanation. I can absolutely believe that delaying treatment led to some additional deaths - no question. Certainly, with additional drinking there was an increase in liver disease and mental health issues likely led to some increase in deaths; delayed treatment undoubtedly resulted in some increase as well. But I do not believe delayed treatment led to a 17%+ increase starting in April of 2020 with peaks again in 2021 and 2022.

I don't disagree.

But it's likely there will be other pandemics so I'm worried things will not go so well...

Best wishes to you on the skin issues. I've had early stage melanomas removed, and three years later its okay, get checked 4 times per year.

Or, everything was simply diagnosed as Covid... Flu testing pretty much disappeared...

Here you go (assuming "Lancet" is a good enough source for you...)

Just a moment...

And this is just for Cancer...

Doxycycline has no effect and causes no restrictions in getting the flu shot...

As I said originally, if someone died WITH Covid but from something else, that would fail to explain the dramatic increase in the national death rate from ALL reasons that started in 2020. It was a large increase in the death rate and it impacted average life expectancy. Just look at the total number of US deaths from 2019 to 2020. The number of deaths from all reasons went up by 19%. That is so statistically significant that it cannot be written off as an anomaly. The trend continued in 2021 as well. This is irrefutable data, but I am not here to convince anyone of anything. I speak with actually data and I trust my doctors, all of whom have advised me to get the vaccine and are getting it themselves. I just hope folks talk about it with their doctors, not just listen to those who are not doctors. I think if folks found out they have cancer, or if they have a heart attack, they listen to their doctors to make treatment decisions, but for some reason, some make decisions about this without ever speaking with a medical professional.