Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2259795)

Here you go (assuming "Lancet" is a good enough source for you...)

Just a moment...

And this is just for Cancer...

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2259794)

Or, everything was simply diagnosed as Covid... Flu testing pretty much disappeared...

Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2259808)

Not when using multiplexed molecular diagnostic tests.

BIOFIRE(R) Syndromic Trends

Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2259018)

No reasonably healthy person has anything to fear from COVID. The COVID vaccines are no guarantee against COVID and due to their limited testing & being rushed into production, who knows what side effects may appear years later. The vaccines have already have caused some people heart problems and strokes. I have almost 20 years in healthcare as a Paramedic Supervisor, Emergency/ICU RN, and Coroner and I am not an anti-vaxxer, just a anti-COVID vaxxer. I'll just stick with the vaccines that were tested the old fashioned way for 12-15 years before unleashing them on the public.

Originally Posted by GoRedSox! (Post 2259802)

As I said originally, if someone died WITH Covid but from something else, that would fail to explain the dramatic increase in the national death rate from ALL reasons that started in 2020. It was a large increase in the death rate and it impacted average life expectancy. Just look at the total number of US deaths from 2019 to 2020. The number of deaths from all reasons went up by 19%. That is so statistically significant that it cannot be written off as an anomaly. The trend continued in 2021 as well. This is irrefutable data, but I am not here to convince anyone of anything. I speak with actually data and I trust my doctors, all of whom have advised me to get the vaccine and are getting it themselves. I just hope folks talk about it with their doctors, not just listen to those who are not doctors. I think if folks found out they have cancer, or if they have a heart attack, they listen to their doctors to make treatment decisions, but for some reason, some make decisions about this without ever speaking with a medical professional.

Originally Posted by GoRedSox! (Post 2259802)

As I said originally, if someone died WITH Covid but from something else, that would fail to explain the dramatic increase in the national death rate from ALL reasons that started in 2020. It was a large increase in the death rate and it impacted average life expectancy. Just look at the total number of US deaths from 2019 to 2020. The number of deaths from all reasons went up by 19%. That is so statistically significant that it cannot be written off as an anomaly. The trend continued in 2021 as well. This is irrefutable data, but I am not here to convince anyone of anything. I speak with actually data and I trust my doctors, all of whom have advised me to get the vaccine and are getting it themselves. I just hope folks talk about it with their doctors, not just listen to those who are not doctors. I think if folks found out they have cancer, or if they have a heart attack, they listen to their doctors to make treatment decisions, but for some reason, some make decisions about this without ever speaking with a medical professional.

Originally Posted by GoRedSox! (Post 2259810)

COVID did not really hit until March, 2020. There were 19% more total deaths in 2020 than in 2019. That is a lot of excess deaths. Some deferral of medical care would likely not cause deaths that quickly in the remaining 9 months of the years. I have no doubt there was and still is some impact to deferred care, but it is hard to quantify and doesn't explain the huge rise in death rates in this country coincident with the pandemic. COVID did kill a lot of people. Most of us know people that were struck down in the prime of life who were otherwise healthy. One size just does not fit all. For some reason, this particular illness has been politicized....and because voter registration data is public, you can actually see a higher death rate based on political affiliation. The excess death rate was higher amongst one party. This can also be viewed at the county level by voting outcomes, and counties who voted a certain way have lower vaccination rates and higher death rates due to COVID. The data is out there if you want to look into it...or not.

Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2259812)

Hmm, this is interesting.

COVID-19 and the Value of the Syndromic Approach

COVID-19 and the Value of the Syndromic Approach
Study results suggest higher rates of co-infection between SARS-CoV-2 and other respiratory pathogens than previously reported. In some cases, as many as 20% of COVID-19 patients have co-infections with another respiratory virus.3 Because respiratory symptoms are similar and overlapping, a syndromic panel can provide fast, comprehensive answers and take the guesswork out of choosing which pathogens to test for.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2259890)

Pro Tip... I'm a doctor...

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2259728)

Much of that "increase in the overall death rate" has been attributed to lack of care for chronically ill patients, lack of cancer screening and treatment, and the difficulty in scheduling life saving surgery during the pandemic.

Sick patients were afraid to leave the house and put off doctor visits and care...

I saw it in my limited scope of practice. Patients who would normally come in for diabetic foot care stopped coming in until an emergency set in...

I saw a significant increase in vascular emergencies, foot ulcerations and infections...

Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2259808)

Not when using multiplexed molecular diagnostic tests.

BIOFIRE(R) Syndromic Trends

Originally Posted by GoRedSox! (Post 2259931)

Another Pro Tip...I have doctors whom I trust who have recommended the vaccine and said they were taking it themselves. There are many doctors at the CDC, which just recommended that everyone get the vaccine. But seriously, I really don't want to continue the discussion because I don't think too many minds are going to be changed. Ironically, POLITICO has a good article in today's news about the partisan difference in beliefs and attitudes towards vaccines....and not just COVID vaccines. We are seeing lots of folks now saying that children should not obtain the vaccines against illnesses that were virtually eradicated. If this trend continues, all of these diseases may make comebacks.

My goal is not to win an argument. I am too old for any of that. I want people to lead their healthiest, happiest, best lives. That's my main attraction to The Villages and I wish you and everyone else reading this the best health outcomes regardless of the decision to get vaxxed or not.