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Too many scientific experts on this site. I worked in the medical field for over 40 years and I never knew that so many people could be so sure in their opinions. It seems more political than medical.

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2259385)

Every migrant stopped at the border is tested for Covid.....You get an A for effort though.

What is their overall % of catching them before they get deep into the US of A? I would GUESS that it is around 30%. And it is pretty SAD for those applying to get into the US legally.
.....I have heard it said several times on popular TV shows that many jobs in the US are NOT being filled - and that is why we NEED some temporary system to let in people legally. I, personally believe that these jobs are NOT being filled for 2 reasons.
........ONE........employers COULD PAY more to attract employees, but that means that they would have to lose some small percent of PROFIT (probably less than 5%)
..........TWO.......6% of (mostly women) are UNABLE to work because of their inability to get good babysitting care. The Federal government NEEDS to address this problem and then we would need FEWER foreign-born workers, which are today clogging up our bigger cities with HOMELESSNESS.

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Originally Posted by UpNorth (Post 2259503)

No, but they no longer object to having a doctor prescribe it for off-label treatment of Covid.

Not in their purview to object. Their position has not changed at all, just some anti-vaxxers (or anti-govt) pushing new parsing of FDA policy.

Sad to see so many people falling for (and continuing to fall for) the Covid scam. They shut down the economy and churches, cooked the "death" numbers, made billions of dollars on a "vaccine" that does not work and can hurt people, and perverted an election process to boot. Baaaa Baaaa sheep.

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Originally Posted by UpNorth (Post 2259503)

No, but they no longer object to having a doctor prescribe it for off-label treatment of Covid.

Alex Jones was pushing for it on his InfoWars

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2259502)

Great post. Good facts.................If it was NOT for anti-vax propaganda, the US should have been able to get an 85 % vaccination rate. I actually think that the anti-vax stuff about COVID originated in the TROLL FARMS of Russia. They do stuff like that - whatever works - and they are GOOD at it.
......Anti-vax propaganda was NOT this popular in the 1980s.

I haven't looked at the data for a couple of years but the results are truely incredible looking back through recent retrospective studies.

I've wondered if part of that success might be related to the diverse combination multiple vaccines with different target plus natural immunity making it statistically harder for virus mutations evolve?

I hate to bring up China data but a US group found nearly 2 million excess deaths followed China's sudden end of COVID curbs the first two month the virus had access to an unvaccinated population with no natural immunity starting in late 2022.

Nearly 2 million excess deaths followed China'''s sudden end of COVID curbs, study says | Reuters

BEIJING, Aug 25 (Reuters) - China's abrupt move to dismantle its strict COVID-19 regime, which unleashed the virus onto its 1.4 billion residents, could have led to nearly 2 million excess deaths in the following two months, a new U.S. study shows.

The study by the federally funded Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle was taken from a sample of mortality data published by some universities in China and internet searches.

It found an estimated 1.87 million excess deaths from all causes occurred among people over 30 years of age between December 2022 and January 2023, and were observed in all provinces in mainland China except Tibet.

China's decision last December to end the three-year zero-COVID policy, which included mass-testing and stringent and persistent quarantine lockdowns, led to a massive surge in hospitalisations and deaths that health experts say were largely unreported by the government.

The study, published on Thursday in JAMA Network Open, said the number of excess deaths far exceeded official Chinese government estimates in January that 60,000 people with COVID-19 had died in hospital since the zero-COVID policy was abandoned a month earlier.

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 2259507)

:MOJE_whot: No bigger truth has been written,

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 2259507)

Very true. A few people here with medical education and experience, too many with, well I heard it on the internet and it must be true

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2259286)

But it does reduce the transmission. Not much in this world is 100% effective; implying the vaccine is worthless because it is not 100% effective is disingenuous at best.

Not according to Fauci...

Fauci: The vaccinated can be as infectious as the unvaccinated, so they need to wear masks indoors; pandemic will get worse – Kentucky Health News

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2259288)

How about reduces transmission.

Vaccines FAQ - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center.

In general, most vaccines do not completely prevent infection but do prevent the infection from spreading within the body and from causing disease.

Many vaccines can also prevent transmission, potentially leading to herd protection whereby unvaccinated people are protected from infection by the vaccinated people around them because they have less chance of exposure to the virus.

Vaccines FAQ - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center.

From December 2020 through November 2022, we estimate that the COVID-19 vaccination program in the U.S. prevented more than 18.5 million additional hospitalizations and 3.2 million additional deaths.

Without vaccination, there would have been nearly 120 million more COVID-19 infections.

Fauci admitted otherwise...

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Originally Posted by rsimpson (Post 2259523)

Who is they?

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2259347)

Have you seen hospitals overflowing with patients drowning on their own body fluids lately? Looks like that aspect was stopped.

It stopped because it never started. No one with Covid "drowned in their own fluids"...

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Originally Posted by kendi (Post 2259386)

That stopped because they are more knowledgeable now about how to treat and the virus has mutated to a less potent form. Remember when they said don’t seek treatment until you get bad? Now they say to take antiviral asap. (Which all docs knew is standard for viruses but we were led astray). And if it does progress to a more serious state they also have a better understanding of the best treatment

The virus is not particular as to who is vaccinated or not. Both are getting it and it is affecting both the same. But the pharmaceutical companies are sure getting a nice boost in profits.

Now when it comes to the regular flu you rarely see the vaccinated come down with it. Same with shingles and other communicable diseases. And if they do it’s less serious. Not so with covid. As I mentioned above, it affects vaccinated and no vaccinated the same.

The only people I know who had covid are vaccinated.

And don't forget that it is a virus' nature to mutate into a less lethal form as time goes by...

If they kill their hosts, they cease to be...

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2259400)

I agree with that and it also "spitting in the face" of all those immigrants who came here legally - and those waiting to come here. We have plenty of citizens now who could do ANY job if only we put more money into education.

NEWS ALERT!!! Global Warming is Over! Hell has frozen over!

I agree with the above post!