If they gain legal entry and come for the opportunities we have for them to obtain gainful employment, pay taxes and otherwise contribute I say WELCOME immigrants.

If they illegally enter to commit crimes, leach off our welfare or otherwise hurt us and our economy, deport them.

This is from an earlier post of mine. You'd be amazed at the things you can find to educate yourself when you use google.


The staggering total costs of illegal immigrants and their children outweigh the taxes paid to federal and state governments by a ratio of roughly 7 to 1, with costs at nearly $135 billion compared to tax revenues at nearly $19 billion.



All told, the nearly $135 billion paid out by federal and state and local taxpayers to cover the cost of the presence of 12.5 million illegal aliens and their 4.2 million citizen children amounts to approximately $8,075 per illegal alien and citizen child prior to taxes paid, or $6,940 per person after taxes are paid.



On the federal level, medical ($17.14 billion) is by far the highest cost, with law enforcement coming second ($13.15 billion) and general government services ($8 billion) thir

Lets be clear and end this thing.

You insist I am stupid and cannot use google. May I suggest you do some research and you will discover....

There is NO health coverage for illegal immigrants as you insist upon alluding to....NONE.

The American citizen children of those folks can get healthcare.

There are surely associated costs in treating them in emergency wards, etc...same as American citizens with no health insurance.

You continue to perpetuate the false narrative, the parallel universe that says illegal immigrants are covered.

Its not true.....their children born here as American Citizens....yep but not them.

Trust me.....I can use google and this entire thread seems to have become one of those maddening conveyors of false and not true information..

You are looking for a fight instead of having a discussion on a very important issue, and you cannot fight while discussing....it is impossible.

Have a nice day

"In 2010, President Barack Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) into law. To match public opinion and boost popularity for the legislation, the ACA contains language that explicitly excludes undocumented immigrants from being able to purchase health insurance coverage.[11][1]"

Healthcare availability for undocumented immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia.

"Most people in the following groups are eligible for coverage through the Health Insurance Marketplace:

U.S. citizens
U.S. nationals
Lawfully present immigrants

Health coverage for immigrants who are U.S. citizens or U.S. nationals | HealthCare.gov

PLEASE DO NOT GIVE ME THE "YEAH BUT" argument.....I misunderstood this as a discussion healthcare costs and how it might relate to government run insurance, but as always a group goes to the immigrants to make a point, irrelevant as to whether that was being discussed

They don’t need insurance, their medical care is free.

do not think so.

I mentioned a number of times the cost of emergency services BUT NOT healthcare which is the subject of this thread.

They along with any American with no health coverage is assured by Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act .

I simply object to the false narrative that illegal immigrants can purchase health care....they can not. They also do not get free health care, as those American born who have been dropped from the roles recently do not also get free medical care. Obvious with the many now who cannot either as ACA is being dismantled, they also will get care at emergency rooms and of course that comes with caveats.

BUT IT IS A FALSE NARRATIVE TO......well we all know why such a false narrative is spread....serves a p point of view.

To believe that illegal immigrants can get health care and a born American cannot (maybe due to pre existing conditions) is a reflection of how easy it is to dupe american citizens to believe anything.

I was taken to task and sort o maligned saying I cant use google.....suggesting you use google or whatever and allow everyone that link that says ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS GET FREE HEALTHCARE

Thanks

And remember......They along with any American with no health coverage is assured by Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act .

I simply object to the false narrative that illegal immigrants can purchase health c

Most illegals do not even have vehicle insurance much less health insurance. That is why I carry uninsured motorist coverage (which I must pay for essentially on behalf of the deadbeat uninsured motorists).

Illegals just show up at hospital emergency rooms for drug overdoses, minor illnesses or wounds and get treated for free. In places their numbers are so great they overwhelm the medical facilities and people needing help are not seen in time. We all are paying for them through increased costs which fall on our backs.

I believe ER records should be kept regarding illegal healthcare and stats released for the public so those who are convinced they don’t receive free medical services can see with their own eyes. Better yet, talk to an ER employee.

I agree bucco, so frustrating when Google COULD be their friend!:bigbow:

I have a family member that is finishing her internship. It takes 7 years or so after college. She owes $500,000 in student loans.

Another example of costs going up when the Federal Government takes over. If student loans were not so easy to get for just about any type of education, college tuition and other education costs would not be anywhere near as high as they are. Total student loan debt is now about 1.6 trillion dollars, and college costs keep increasing.

Student debt is a good subject for a separate thread.

A Physician's Solution to Healthcare
 

Alieta Eck, M.D. testifies to Senate about a better way to provide medical care to the poor.

Alieta Eck, M.D. testifies to Senate about a better way to provide medical care to the poor - YouTube

As I recall I have read numerous article about the terrible state of Veteran's Health Care. I do believe this is a government run program. No thank you to Medicare for all.
VA history and failures

I AM CANADIEN AND OUR SYSTEM IS NOT PERFECT(NEVER SAW ANYTHING) RUN BY GOVERNMENT THAT IS EFFECIENT. bUT WITH DUE RESPECT OUR HEALTHCARE FROMWHAT i UNDERSTAND IS SUPERIOR. yES THERE CAN BE LONG WAITS BUT IF YOUR KNEE, HIP, HEART OR ANYTHING ELSE IS SERIOUS YOU WILL BE DONE IMMEDIATELY. eVERYONE RECIEVES THE SAME HEALTH. COULD IT BE IMPROVED YES BUT I BELIEVE IT IS GEAT FOR THE CITIZENS.

i ALSO BY THE WAY TOOK DOWN A MONTHS SUPPLY OF OF A HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE PILL THAT COST MY FRIEND HERE IN THE VILLAGES $150.
mY COST TO HIM WAS 29 AMERICAN

Why are you shouting?

Sometimes depending on how far out into Canada they are they have to YELL! It Far Far Away! :1rotfl:

:clap2::clap2::clap2::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

About 22 years ago my mother and father were on a vacation in Canada and my dad had a heart attack. He got some great health care treatment with no questions asked, and he was not a Canadian resident. I don't know anything other than that first hand about how other health care systems work, but the experience my parents had in Canada during a time of crisis was overwhemingly positive.

NO, & you don't want it, either. my hubby from a socialist country is the 1st to warn of very poor healthcare when it's controlled by the government

my friend's daughter passed-away @ 19 waiting for treatment, she was canadian

Many years ago my husband became very ill in Brussels. At first he was in a very large “ward”with many patients. When they discovered he had US health insurance and was guaranteed payment he was moved to a private room. Yes he then recieved much better care.

I don’t understand why people cant just use your common sense! Do you REALLY want the US government controlling your healthcare. They have made a mess of everything they’ve ever been a part of!

I beg to differ!
 

I’m surprised you have not been chastised for your comment about real estate sales people getting 6% for doing NOTHING,

I was a real estate broker for over 30 years and it was some of the hardest work I’ve ever done! Until you’ve walked in their shoes, you wouldn’t understand!

My two cents worth
 

As to healthcare. We start out unwilling to face,to deal with the truth. Everyone gets sick and no one gets out alive.
I've read that 80% of healthcare money is spent on people who are terminally ill.
I've also read that in the US legal suits and avoiding or trying to avoid same adds 40% to the cost. Two recent examples Johnson and Johnson sued for baby powder. I'm sure not one person suing can prove they only used Johnson and Johnson for that matter far as I know the women involved were no using baby powder on a baby. The other current cases. Opioid abuse. Company found guilty. User responsibility?
When Bill Clinton was president I recall telling my dad the elephant in the room is how they will pay for it. Without that information is is simply an empty promise to get votes.
At the time I had a German friend and asked him how it works in Germany. As to how it works he told me that people who can afford it buy private insurance to get better care. We refuse to embrace that.
I also asked him about a limit on what Germany will spend.
At that time they had discovered drugs to keep aids patients alive and the cost was several hundred thousand per year.
He told me that there are wards of people in Germany who are by our definition brain dead. They are kept alive by machines at government expense.
In the US euthanasia is at best difficult to get permission for.
Fact is that we kill cancer patients with over doses of pain killers
and others are allowed to die by withholding water and food.

In the end there are no perfect easy answers.