[HappyTraveler]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Let me rephrase that to read : The FACTS of medical science. This does not include Voo-doo and its related scams.

You missed the point that commenter was making....and that is the point!

There are many mentally-entrenched people, in all professions, whose minds are simply closed. And some take such a strong stance on something that they box themselves in (their pride and ego) from later admitting they hadn't considered the whole picture or possibilities. No, they just keep digging.

Thankfully, most of the Docs like that aren't practicing anymore, in my experience.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Let me rephrase that to read : The FACTS of medical science. This does not include Voo-doo and its related scams.

Indeed!

And how many years ago was bleeding someone for various ailments, mercury as a treatment for syphilis, and phrenology as a predictor of a person's character and mental abilities all accepted as "FACTS of medical science"?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Indeed!

And how many years ago was bleeding someone for various ailments, mercury as a treatment for syphilis, and phrenology as a predictor of a person's character and mental abilities all accepted as "FACTS of medical science"?

Absolutely true, but at those times, the "chiropractors" were selling snake oil.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And I've had to pronounce a few. Not to mention a few quadriplegics and 2 strokes from dissection of the vertebral arteries after "manipulation".

A dissection is what caused my good friend’s stroke. The doctors in the Neurological Trauma department suspect a neck manipulation caused it. Because of the location of the dissection, the Neurosurgeon elected to treat it via angiogram. The dissection was so severe it took two stents to open up the damaged artery. The before and after images of blood flow to his brain were absolutely amazing. The doctors told him he is one of the very few they have treated for this that ever got to go home. They had to give him medication to temporarily increase his blood pressure, to force some blood through the dissection, before the surgery. I am extremely happy to report that he appears to be on his way to a full recovery. We now call him the “stent double”.

[Velvet]

I have seen several chiropractors over the years. The first time was when I was at college and someone dove on me from the 3 meter diving board. I went for a while for treatments to realign my back and they had to be followed up by exercises to maintain the adjustment. When the exercises strengthened me, I didn’t need to go anymore.

This year I had an old knee injury flare up. I tried all kinds of therapies, even with injections the knee still hurt and was unstable. OA was the “official” diagnosis. My sports doctor recommended physiotherapy and I went to a chiropractor for that. I started twice a week, he does no adjustments of any kind, he coaches me through exercises for 1 hour each time. He supervises how I do them. He knows precisely which muscle to work and most importantly, he calibrates to my age, sex, and level of fitness. Finally, I can sleep without waking up a night because I have moved my knee. I can walk properly, and jog, play pickleball etc - I feel 10 years younger! In just 2 months. (I did work those exercises religiously.)

But, if I had anything wrong with me, I would never start with going to a chiropractor. Nothing replaces a medical doctor. Nothing.

[jbartle1]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while ����������������� ��

Some of those blind squirrels in my husbands clinic were MDs with BAD BACKS, btw, he had the largest single Dr clinic in the state of NC, he knew the LIMITS of Chiropractic ! Trouble with painting a profession with a broad-brush would apply to ALL professions which would apply to MDs ALSO, need I discuss the “hiccups” in medicine!!!!
When painting with broad-brush, some could say that all golfers are over-weight but that isn’t true, just some!

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

A dissection is what caused my good friend’s stroke. The doctors in the Neurological Trauma department suspect a neck manipulation caused it. Because of the location of the dissection, the Neurosurgeon elected to treat it via angiogram. The dissection was so severe it took two stents to open up the damaged artery. The before and after images of blood flow to his brain were absolutely amazing. The doctors told him he is one of the very few they have treated for this that ever got to go home. They had to give him medication to temporarily increase his blood pressure, to force some blood through the dissection, before the surgery. I am extremely happy to report that he appears to be on his way to a full recovery. We now call him the “stent double”.

Dissection is a tear within an artery. If this person had a dissection it would be repaired by tiny sutures, smaller than a hair, some not visible without loops.

Angioplasty would open a blocked artery, and stents (permanent or dissolved) placed to keep open the artery in question. If damage is severe, Sometimes a full metal jacket is the only recourse.

Artery dissection tear would bleed within the walls. Immediate procedure needed. A complete dissection, through all wall. Dead guy no longer walking

[opinionist]

The blood work does not lie. The autoimmune indicator was positive before treatment, and after treatment, it was negative. If the root cause of an autoimmune condition is healed, then is that not a cure? Type 1 Diabetes is a genetic problem. Type 2 Diabetes is not.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Dissection is a tear within an artery. If this person had a dissection it would be repaired by tiny sutures, smaller than a hair, some not visible without loops.

Angioplasty would open a blocked artery, and stents (permanent or dissolved) placed to keep open the artery in question. If damage is severe, Sometimes a full metal jacket is the only recourse.

Artery dissection tear would bleed within the walls. Immediate procedure needed. A complete dissection, through all wall. Dead guy no longer walking

You are correct, according to my friends neuro surgeon, surgical repair of the dissection is typically the best option over an angioplasty/stenting procedure. However, his dissection was located behind the top part of his right ear, covered with bone. Because of the location, he determined angioplasty would be a better option. The artery dissection tear, and associated bleeding, created a bubble in the artery that left only a small opening for blood to pass through, and surgery was scheduled ASAP. He is already scheduled for a second angioplasty this fall, to inspect the stented dissection and determine if anything else is necessary.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by opinionist

The blood work does not lie. The autoimmune indicator was positive before treatment, and after treatment, it was negative. If the root cause of an autoimmune condition is healed, then is that not a cure? Type 1 Diabetes is a genetic problem. Type 2 Diabetes is not.

Well, congratulations, you went 0 for 2.

The "autoimmune indicator" is not the root cause of the disease, it is just a laboratory marker and they tend to be "flakey" at best. I suggest googling forbidden clone and autoimmune disease to understand the causes. But again, they are not "curable" with our current technology

The cause of type I diabetes is unknown. It is probably autoimmune with antibodies directed against Islet of Langerhans cells; it may have a genetic component. Type II diabetes has a strong genetic component, usually unmasked by poor diet and obesity so as to induce down regulation of target cell insulin receptors

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

The "autoimmune indicator" is not the root cause of the disease, it is just a laboratory marker and they tend to be "flakey" at best.

After 5 years of a Sed Rate 10-150 & GFR from 22-80, my Rheumatologist said, "well, in Med School they taught us to treat the patient, not the numbers. If you feel great, I don't want to see the numbers anymore".

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

After 5 years of a Sed Rate 10-150 & GFR from 22-80, my Rheumatologist said, "well, in Med School they taught us to treat the patient, not the numbers. If you feel great, I don't want to see the numbers anymore".

Sed rates can do that, they are extremely non-specific. Did you really mean GFR (Glomerular filtration rate) because 22 is stage 4 chronic renal failure and quite serious. GFR's are pretty accurate and should never vary 22-88 unless you had a reversible renal injury such as a post-viral glomerulonephritis.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Sed rates can do that, they are extremely non-specific. Did you really mean GFR (Glomerular filtration rate) because 22 is stage 4 chronic renal failure and quite serious. GFR's are pretty accurate and should never vary 22-88 unless you had a reversible renal injury such as a post-viral glomerulonephritis.

I meant CRP (C-Reactive). Posted before coffee.

So I've refrained from commenting on your characterization of Chiropractors, because I generally agree. That said ...

One of my best friends, I've been playing golf with for 30 years, is a Chiropractor. Smartest guy I know.

I spent a year in pain. PCP never ran a Sed Rate or C-Reactive test. Sent me to an orthopedic guy, for bad shoulders. Cortisone shots, MRI ... guy says I have a bad Rotator Cuffs on both sides, along with a torn Labrum on one of them. Wants to do surgery (this was 10 years ago).

My Chiropractor friend says ... "Trying to sew together your Rotator Cuffs, is going be like sewing together 2 pieces of wet toilet paper ... never going to work". "Besides, there's no way anyone gets spontaneous, bilateral Rotator Cuff failure, without trauma involved. There's something else going on".

My daughter and I spent 4 hours researching with Google. Decided it was PMR. When to a Rheumatologist the next day. Yep, PMR. 3 years of Prednisone, on & off. Can't get C-Reactive below 17, but I feel like a million bucks and shot 73 today, from the Blues ... ergo, my Rheumatologist saying, "screw the numbers, if you feel good, that's what matters". As you said, the numbers on auto-immune stuff are wanky and there's simply no real cure.

My Chiropractor friend, is a Chiropractor to the stars. PGA Tour certified for Tournament Tour Van. Most all the Boston professional sports teams use him, other than the Red Sox. He's not an "adjustor" or an "alignment" guy. He's a Physical Therapist on steroids. I'm not sure he'd know how to do a back "adjustment", but he's great at knowing how to recover from injuries and muscular pain. He stays away from medical diagnosis ... stick with what you know.