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JMintzer 08-27-2022 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2130198)
Yes, that is a good point but our population was not overtly effected by the mutations.
Neither was the rest of the world, once they received the vaccine.

It's because that was an effective vaccine...`

It seems to me, that the old, egg based vaccines worked and the newer M-RNA based vaccines are not yet ready for prime time...

JMintzer 08-27-2022 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2130393)
Let me put it this way.......

If someone says to me there is a 95% chance you WILL NOT GET COVID, that means to me there is a 5% chance I WILL GET COVID. It is all about perspective and my perspective must be different than yours.

The American people were never told they would not get Covid 100% if they were vaccinated. That video posted up thread proves that and the poster who posted the video was attempting to show just the opposite. LOL.

GE.......please weigh in on this debate.
We don't need GE to weigh in... I'm also a physician...

All you are doing is trying to parse out the 5% failure rate that was initially stated into what they are now saying. Which is that they NEVER said it would prevent one from catching covid, and that it would only lessen the severity and death rate...

That is patently incorrect...

Altavia 08-27-2022 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2130451)
...`

It seems to me, that the old, egg based vaccines worked and the newer M-RNA based vaccines are not yet ready for prime time...
Because?

JMintzer 08-27-2022 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2130472)
Because?
Because they actually prevented one from catching the disease and the new ones don't...

There is an entirely different process in obtaining the immune response between using an attenuated virus and using the M-RNA technique...

Could live attenuated vaccines better control COVID-19? - PMC

coffeebean 08-27-2022 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2130449)
If you actually listened to what she said and didn't just look at the graphics, you'll see I was correct.

I never stated anyone EVER claimed 100% effectiveness. I Clearly stated we were told it was 95% effective in protection from GETTING covid.

Just like the flu shot is not 100% effective, it does PREVENT infection in most cases.

Why would anyone believe if they got the shot, they would not get covid?
Because that is what they TOLD US would happen, 95% of the time...

Now they've changed their tune and they (along with you and many others) insist they never said that. That we were always told it would only lessen the infection and lower death rates and hospitalizations...

The link I provide PROVES that is not what they said, at all...
What I heard Dr. Walensky say is AND I QUOTE, "In the rare event that people get infected after a vaccine, the infection is more likely to have a lower viral load, shorter in duration and likely less risky of transmission to others".

Dr. Walensky, in this linked video up-thread, did not say NO ONE would get Covid if they were vaccinated. She just did not say that and I never heard any other scientist or doctor, including Dr. Fauci, say that.

I guess people hear what they WANT to hear.

coffeebean 08-27-2022 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2130451)
Neither was the rest of the world, once they received the vaccine.

It's because that was an effective vaccine...`

It seems to me, that the old, egg based vaccines worked and the newer M-RNA based vaccines are not yet ready for prime time...
The mRNA vaccines may not prevent the disease but they certainly do a great job of preventing severe infection in people who had a good response to the vaccine. Those unfortunate people who are immunocompromised and had little or no response from the mRNA vaccines are the people who do not benefit from those vaccines.

coffeebean 08-27-2022 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2130477)
Because they actually prevented one from catching the disease and the new ones don't...

There is an entirely different process in obtaining the immune response between using an attenuated virus and using the M-RNA technique...

Could live attenuated vaccines better control COVID-19? - PMC
Certainly agree that it would be wonderful if a vaccine that actually PREVENTS Covid were developed. Sign me up!!!!

Altavia 08-27-2022 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2130477)
Because they actually prevented one from catching the disease and the new ones don't...

There is an entirely different process in obtaining the immune response between using an attenuated virus and using the M-RNA technique...

Could live attenuated vaccines better control COVID-19? - PMC
Very interesting - thanks!

Boston-Sean 08-28-2022 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2130497)
What I heard Dr. Walensky say is AND I QUOTE, "In the rare event that people get infected after a vaccine, the infection is more likely to have a lower viral load, shorter in duration and likely less risky of transmission to others".

Dr. Walensky, in this linked video up-thread, did not say NO ONE would get Covid if they were vaccinated. She just did not say that and I never heard any other scientist or doctor, including Dr. Fauci, say that.

I guess people hear what they WANT to hear.
From a little over a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw

At the 5:40 mark:

Fauci: "If you're vaccinated you don't have a risk. If you're vaccinated you're safe, if you're unvaccinated you're at risk."

Do you need to consult with a physician to determine the meaning of that?


Some people just don't want to face the fact that they were fooled.

Caymus 08-28-2022 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Boston-Sean (Post 2130563)
From a little over a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw

At the 5:40 mark:

Fauci: "If you're vaccinated you don't have a risk. If you're vaccinated you're safe, if you're unvaccinated you're at risk."

Do you need to consult with a physician to determine the meaning of that?


Some people just don't want to face the fact that they were fooled.
Depends on the definition of"safe":icon_wink::icon_wink::icon_wink::

threeonemiles@outlook.com 08-28-2022 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Boston-Sean (Post 2130563)
From a little over a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw

At the 5:40 mark:

Fauci: "If you're vaccinated you don't have a risk. If you're vaccinated you're safe, if you're unvaccinated you're at risk."

Do you need to consult with a physician to determine the meaning of that?


Some people just don't want to face the fact that they were fooled.
I can't believe that Herr Doctor deceived us. Shocking, just shocking!!! We live in a free country, for how long, we don't know. If some wish to be kept in the dark, deceived, coerced, become a pin cushion, by all means have at it. Seek the truthful facts, not what the media propaganda tells you. Think for yourself.

threeonemiles@outlook.com 08-28-2022 08:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston-Sean (Post 2130563)
From a little over a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw

At the 5:40 mark:

Fauci: "If you're vaccinated you don't have a risk. If you're vaccinated you're safe, if you're unvaccinated you're at risk."

Do you need to consult with a physician to determine the meaning of that?


Some people just don't want to face the fact that they were fooled.
Half of All Long COVID Cases Have Psychiatric and Neurological Symptoms
According to a study published in the Journal of Infectious Diseases in 2022, among the top 18 symptoms of long COVID, 50 percent of them are neuropsychiatric ones, including memory problems, sleep problems, brain fog, anxiety, depression, smell or taste disorders, dizziness, and headaches.

An article in the journal Science suggests that vaccination may also cause rare symptoms similar to those of long COVID.

These symptoms can have a significant impact on people’s daily work and life.

JMintzer 08-28-2022 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2130497)
What I heard Dr. Walensky say is AND I QUOTE, "In the rare event that people get infected after a vaccine, the infection is more likely to have a lower viral load, shorter in duration and likely less risky of transmission to others".

Dr. Walensky, in this linked video up-thread, did not say NO ONE would get Covid if they were vaccinated. She just did not say that and I never heard any other scientist or doctor, including Dr. Fauci, say that.

I guess people hear what they WANT to hear.
Yes, you're hearing what you want to hear. You cherry picked ONE sentence out of what she said...

And for the umpteenth time, NO ONE has ever claimed that NO ONE would ever get covid if vaccinated. I most certainly didn't do it...

They DID claim (including Walensky, when citing the Israeli studies) that there would be protection against infection 95% of the time...

95% ≠ 100%

And certain very high ranking politicians (who shall remain nameless, lest I get another vacation) and famous news casters DID say that "if you got the shot, you would NOT catch the virus"...

JMintzer 08-28-2022 10:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston-Sean (Post 2130563)
From a little over a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw

At the 5:40 mark:

Fauci: "If you're vaccinated you don't have a risk. If you're vaccinated you're safe, if you're unvaccinated you're at risk."

Do you need to consult with a physician to determine the meaning of that?


Some people just don't want to face the fact that they were fooled.
But, But, But... No one ever said that! Wait, what?

Caymus 08-28-2022 10:43 AM
Next shots not fully tested (behind pay wall)

Latest Covid Boosters Are Set to Roll Out Before Human Testing Is Completed - WSJ


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