What will get worse? If we had truthful reporting of the deaths, it would help. How many in the “unvaccinated” numbers have already had covid and don’t want the vaccination. I wouldn’t if it were me. The elderly and compromised have been vaccinated for the most part and you realize covid will never be eradicated in the world. Live your life or worry about the next pandemic, they say it will happen.:pray:

Shirley, you jest.

Those who choose not to be vaccinated, most likely will not change their minds. My family is working in an area only 31% have been vaccinated.

They worry far less about working with the unvaccinated, come in contact with maybe 100 per day, herd doesn’t worry them, why do many in TV who probably have less than 1% contact of unvaccinated worrying a daily basis?
Can’t worry about things you can not change.

I apologize, I did believe you were attempting to bait me.

The HRC claim was a QNON conspiracy associated with another theory of a sex ring working out of a pizza shop. That theory was referred to by various Congressional members.

Here is a fact check of the space lasers story:

Mixture Archives | Snopes.com

Also not true. Take 5 minutes and look at the new Covid case chart, updated daily by The NY Times. You can look at the US in general, or by state, or by county. But as a state, Missouri did not “spike” last week…

Yeah, that’s another problem...who do you believe?

Kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article252728088.html


If you paste that link in your search/url bar you can read the article.

I just read the article. Not once was the word spike used. They say that they have noticed an increase in positive tests. No indication of the percentage increase. Yesterday they had 690 new cases in the entire state. When dealing in small numbers a small aberration can indicate an increase. But nothing indicates a “spike”…

I agree, the word "spike" appears to be a clickbait usage.

As near as I can tell reading a few articles, the intent is not to say there has been a LARGE number of cases, but that there has been a significant change in which virus is causing the current cases. Meaning, the Delta (or Delta+) variant is responsible for more than half of the recent cases, where previously it was responsible for only one or two cases.

So, while the use of the word "spike" is sensationalistic, the idea is that the Delta virus is rising. If it is not prevented by the vaccine, then we could see an exponential growth of it, which is what happened with the original variant before the measures were taken to slow it down.

That makes reporting difficult. If they say nothing and in 3 or 4 months we are seeing thousands of deaths per day again, then they screwed up, and if in a few months we don't see thousands of deaths, but it fizzles, then they are guilty of spreading panic.

A classic damned if you do and dammed if you don't.

The experts are taking a more cautious approach saying it's too soon to make predictions, but it is certainly something to be monitored.

The nature of the beast (for areas with low vaccination rates) is to grow expotentially, double every few weeks.

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You’re funny, semantics may keep you from seeing the light, lol.

If it makes you more comfortable, the same paper has printed at 3:41 pm today: “Missouri added to Chicago travel advisory list amid Springfield COVID-19 spike”. :ohdear:

Not spiking...

Yeah, I can see their numbers have shot up and they say they’re spiking but we shouldn’t base our interpretation on their evidence, right?

I cannot comprehend the fact that so many are unable to grasp the concept of risk vs. benefit.

News out of a hospital in Springfield, MO, said that 91% of ICU patients now are on ventilators and many of them are In their 20s, 30s, and 40s. They said that these stats are especially concerning because last year there were 40 to 50 % of ICU patients on vents there. The average age of death from Covid in MO recently reported as being in the 50s age group.

The longtime rationalization of blaming comorbidities for Covid deaths or difficult cases or serious after-effects does not seem to hold up with so many young cases.

It was said that in a few weeks, we could see more deaths in the hotspots because it takes a while.

I find these younger ages to be especially concerning. The virus is getting past their presumed invincibility. The virus needs a host and they are rolling out the welcome wagon.

Of course, I know there are some who have medical conditions that make the vaccine possibly dangerous for them. But for so many of these younger people, it looks to me like they are caught up in some kind of tribal group-think — and some are even succumbing to the planted lies about becoming magnetized or being tracked if they get the vaccine.

Generally, older people seem to be able to (mostly) separate their vaccinations from their political loyalties. I do not think that is the case though with the generations behind us. Many cannot see that they are being manipulated. They are so proud, so caught up in their defiance — until they’re not — when ignorance is no longer bliss.

What a mess we are in.

Boomer

Uh, oh, I keep getting caught up in these threads. I need to stop looking. Geez. I think it comes from being so adept at avoiding controversial topics in my social life that I get on here and can’t shut up.

"Mess we are in"? This is the first time I've seen it indicated that politics is the reason people are refusing the vaccine. Which party would they be following since one party pushed the development and implementation of the the vaccinations and the other party continues to push for the administration of vaccines? Both political parties are involved with the vaccine.

But for some there is a general caution as to the danger of taking an unvetted medication, there are those who have already had covid and refuse to be vaccinated, there are those who cannot be vaccinated and then there are those who worked through the pandemic, had coworkers get covid and they didn't.

There was a news piece tonight that stated it may be necessary to revaccinate people because they don't know if the first series of shots will remain effective very long. Hang on, the ride will be interesting.

Yup, exponential growth is like, from 1 to 256 in 8 days, from 1 to 65,000 in 16 days. For the first week or two it looks harmless. Then bang.

The sky is falling............again

I understand that all the reasons are not the same. But I also know there is a big piece of it that is group-think, no individual thinking needed.

I know 2 people who have medical conditions that make risk outweigh benefit. But today, I spent some time with another person who battled Covid in January. It has left her with after-effects.

When we went to get our vaccines in February and March, I carried an epi-pen in my purse because Mr. B has had some allergic reactions — penicillin, sulfa drugs, and once a bee sting — not the same thing — I knew that — but I chose to minimize risk. It was all so new and I was worried. But we chose potential benefit over risk. (He was fine.)

I wrote a post in a recent thread about a big mouth talk radio personality in my hometown who changed his anti-vaxxing rants and started telling his loyalists to get the vaccine after seeing Covid for real, including losing a good friend to the virus. He has been back-pedaling like crazy lately. But whipping easy marks into a frenzy pays him handsomely so he jumped right in — at first.

(Anyway, Aces4, when you quoted me above, I had not edited for typos and had not added the thing at the bottom about how I know I need to stop engaging in these types of threads. Too predictable.)

The vaccine issue is multi-faceted. I addressed one facet in the post you quoted. But — it’s a facet — for sure.

Boomer

PS: In that thread about remembered posters, you said you miss Fumar and Muncle. Hey, that’s something we can definitely agree on. Smart guys — and each with a terrific sense of humor and a way with words. You must have been lurking for a while before you joined because Muncle left us in 2009, I think. He was my worthy opponent in debate — and we had a lot of fun with silly threads.

The vaccine debate is important because I fear mandatory vaccination laws will be put in place and I fear that far more than Covid-19.

There is far and away too much shrouding of statistics regarding deaths during the pandemic and we’ll never know the truth. Do I wish people would be covid vaccinated, yes. But how far do we want the reach of government in our health decisions? I have been vaccinated.

Regarding Fumar and Muncle, they were two fine posters and I miss their ruminations and style. Time moves quickly.

Who is Covis and why is she spiking cases of something?:MOJE_whot:

True. Anyone smoking and dying from lung cancer or not wearing a seat belt and dying in a car accident isnt my problem. Its your stupid choice and doesnt affect me in any way.
Your not getting vaccinated affects me, my family and friends since this is a contagious virus. It isnt my choice to grt the virus. You forced it on me. Big difference in comparisons

I have an opinion.

This is why I don’t trust Big Pharmaceutical and why I will not get the shot

By one estimate, taking prescribed medications is the fourth leading cause of death among Americans. Americans are taking more medications than ever before. Nearly 60 to 70 percent of us take at least one prescribed drug, depending upon the estimate; for many it amounts to a fistful, potpourri of pills per day.

This not not count how many get ill or end up in care. My friend has been in a nursing home for 5 years because of her meds.

Why people trust Big Pharmaceutical is beyond me

All deaths are preventable in some form. Wrap up in bubble wrap, never get in a vehicle and never fly.

Sarcasm is being used here to point out that safety is never number one priority. Living is the priority and when you live you take risks

Unacceptable, no. Free to make the decision, YES.
 

It is an individual decision, not one ANY government should dictate. If you want to stay inside the rest of your life, it is your decision.

You have your opinion. About 1500 of those that shared your opinion died from/with COVID last week (and the week before and the week before that.....) Using the numbers from "one estimate," that particular opinion on taking the shot will keep COVID in contention for the fourth leading cause of death.

I’ve been diligently trying to learn if the variant is deadly, but have not been able to do so. I understand it to be fast spreading, but so is flu and the common cold. Is there a spike in deaths along with the spike in cases?

:coolsmiley:

Fauci knew h c q worked years ago and held it from people. He won't be able to walk down the street before long. He & the governors who pushed people into nursing homes won't either. There have been no more deaths than a year with the flu. The jab has eliminated more people that all vaccines total. 5K in US, 10K in UK & hundreds of thousands injured with adverse reactions.

You mean fraudci? You do realize delta means you are asleep?

A totally fact free post.

I had to re-read the comment you are referring to, and I have to agree, in my opinion, it is a fact-free post. Sadly, it is what a lot of people believe.

Dr. Fauci has been a dedicated virus expert for years. To denigrate him because certain people have chosen to attack him rather than the poor initial handling of the pandemic still shocks me. I can never understand why it's necessary for people to attack someone personally rather than perhaps objecting to their views by providing convincing evidence.

This WaPo page has some nice graphics that might help. In one of them you can see that cases started rising right around July 4. So far deaths have not increased but since there has typically been a two-week lag between cases and deaths, we are just now getting to the point where they would be expected to increase. Data from the next week or so should show whether the death ratio is higher now than it was previously.

Thank you…so succinctly stated! Plus, one lives with the possibility of affecting others with serious harm or death.

The death and case rate are neither reported by the state nor are they acceptable in a place where vaccinations prevent both. I have had a series of doctor appointments over the last month and am amazed about the lack of vaccine administration to staff in their offices. Vaccines should be a condition of employment, period, in order to protect the patients that you serve. The VA is making it a condition of employment and in most cities medical centers are doing the same. Complain when you go to the doc if the staff is not vaccinated. Ask ALL staff that question. I have had people tell me it is not my business and I said actually it is if you are in this enclosed room with me.

Acceptable to who? To make who feel good?
 

Funny you should ask. If it saves one life. What about the lives the vaccines take? What about the real health consequences some people are susceptible to? Everyone has to make their own choice to get vaccinated. CDC says there is 0.65 % mortality rate for those infected with Covid 19. Yet there are those that have died or developed severe reactions to the vaccine. How many lives lost to vaccination is acceptable to you?
F.D.A. Attaches Warning of Rare Nerve Syndrome to Johnson & Johnson Covid Vaccine

The Delta variant may be the way this pandemic ends. It spreads so fast everyone will soon come in contact with it. If they are immune it won’t take root. If they aren’t they will catch it. If they recover they too will be immune.

So the only choice is how you chose to be immune, get vaccinated and almost assuredly get immunity. Or catch it and almost assuredly get immunity.

Well the difference in those who elect not to wear seat belts, smoke, it only effects them.

Gee, I don't know. I wonder if the spike in serious side effects and deaths among healthy people who took an experimental gene therapy shot for a virus with a better than 99% survival rate has caused those who took one or more of the shots to have 2nd thoughts?

According to Fauci and the CDC, being "vaccinated" does NOT assure that you will be immune to the variant. If you want to believe Fauci, then you must believe everything he says, not part of it.