But as many have said, and common sense, things changed daily with the proceedings of handling of this virus....mask- no mask, distance, droplets. He's not a God, nor pretends to be....they found info and put it out there. It was ever evolving...sorry you can't open your mind, but just criticize.

Ah, watching Fauci horrified at that rather small meeting vs a huge public televised venue knocking the vaccine and Fauci not immediately reproaching that statement was not my doing. You don’t have to be political to know what would have been the proper response, do you?

Oh we all know the reasoning behind all that, remember Dr Birk (sp) on 60minutes and many other news shows, the pressure to lie from T

What I'm saying is...one meeting was way back in the beginning, maybe jan2020, or earlier, the recent booers was only days ago. (Unless we are not referencing the same thing)

Bill Gates was probably involved in many conspiracies...just not this particular one!

...booing now to a few or booing earlier from a position of power to the throngs when the vaccine was ready to be administered.

It is what it is and I didn’t really care to go there until one-sided info was provided by a poster.

The difference is that someone smoking in designated smoking areas, or not wearing a seat belt isn't going to kill me. An unvaccinated person in public can. Public Health is paramount. I grew up pre-polio vaccine American and people were lined up as if it was a patriotic event in 1955/1956 to get the Salk Vaccine.

I agree with what you are saying. The problem is with all the comparisons is that the vaccine - unlike seat belts - could possibly have very negative side effects. I personally don't think it will. I personally think the scientists will do everything they can to prevent that - but, it is possible.

And I sometimes have second thoughts about the scientists working for big pharma, and if their motivations are as pure as I hope they are.

So, for those that feel the vaccine is potentially more dangerous than it is helpful and are not taking the risk. I can understand. I disagree but understand.

I can see a time approaching when the decision will be taken out of their hands. When the government will have to step in and mandate vaccinations. I hope not, but it looks inevitible. And that will be a major poltical shat storm.

That is called tyranny and let’s hope that sh** never hits the fan.

Or die.

If the vaccine works you have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated people.
Do you know that the vaccine doesn’t work?
Or is it that you enjoy your fearfulness?

Your original question asked, “Is the infection and or death rate acceptable to those choosing to not vaccinate?”

First, let me preface by saying that my husband, who currently practices medicine, and I received our vaccines as soon as they were offered. We did so as my husband saw the affects of this disease, both short term and long term. We encouraged our family members to do the same and most did, but a few still have not. This is their choice. It was my brother’s choice and he died and it still has not persuaded the others to reconsider. Statistics and spikes and news reporting simply won’t change their minds. You didn’t ask that question though, you asked if the death rate is acceptable.

As a society, we have become somewhat conditioned to acceptable levels of death. “Annual deaths from diseases such as influenza — which before the pandemic killed between one-quarter of a million and half a million people each year globally — offer a barometer.” How many COVID deaths are acceptable in a post-pandemic world? - Vaccine Safety Info As this article points out, there are many factors that will determine what is acceptable, whether a person is vaccinated or not. Covid is going to be around for some time and how we go forward is important. Perhaps by reporting Covid numbers, news outlets believe they can convince folks to get vaccinated and that’s why they continue to do so. As for my family and friends who have decided not to get the vaccine, it makes no difference.

So does it follow that Un-vaccinated have nothing to fear........ but other un-vaccinated?

Uh, no, this is not true.

If enough people are not vaccinated, then the virus thrives, and as it thrives it mutates, and when it mutates it can take on a new form that is not affected by the vaccination. So, no, if I am vaccinated, I am mostly (nothing is 100%) immune from the current variant of the virus, but if enough do not get vaccinated that puts my life at risk.

And, I am sorry that so many feel that anyone that disagrees with them is "fearful". I grow tired of this silliness. It is possible to be cautious without fear. I do not worry about having an accident every time I get into a car, but I make sure my brakes are in good order and wear a seat belt. Life is full of dangers - taking reasonable precautions does not imply fear is driving the decisions.

As with covid from the start, with people pointing out that most won't die from it, it's moot if you are one of the unlucky ones.

as long as those eligible for the vaccine refuse to get it, the Delta variant will spread and because more people will get it, a percentage of those will get very sick and some will die. in the process, Delta may mutate to another form that is even more readily transmissible and possibly more deadly. A virus wants to continue to live and will find ways of doing it. as others point out, polio, small pox, chicken pox, measles all still exist but enough people got vaccinated that the virus died from lack of hosts.

and for those people who choose not to get vaccinated, I wonder how many are still wearing a mask. I would guess most don't because how can you check?

We’ve gone from 14 days to flatten the curve to 14 months, to house to house, door to door searches.

Show me your papers.

I did nat see that coming.

I have nothing to fear. COVID didn’t make me sick.

June 7th, 2021, VAERS received 5,208 reports of death (0.0017%) so you have a greater than 99% of living after getting the vaccine. so the odds favor getting a vaccine over getting covid.

As long as "they" continue to be permitted to post confrontations rather than discussions, this entire forum will continue to be one of confrontation. "They" are in the majority in this community, both on and off line. "They" get to call the shots. Even if those shots are nasty, hate-spewing, uneducated, bigoted, and ignorant. If you dare to call "them" on it, YOU get called nasty.

Talk of the Villages IS the bully pulpit.

In addition, anyone can report to VAERS. If you got a hang-nail while taking a medicine, and report it, then "hangnails" become correlated with taking that medicine. It becomes part of the statistics.

If someone gets hit by a truck and dies of severe brain-hemorrhage, and they just got vaccinated last week, then "brain-hemorrhage" will become one of the possible correlations with the vaccine.

That's just how VAERS works. And it says so in big bold letters when you check the website. But most people ignore those big bold letters and take the information and make up their "facts" to back up their agenda by using it.

As long as those people who are fighting for "freedom of choice" are fighting for the same freedom of a woman to choose what happens to her body, I'll respect their choice. Otherwise, no respect, and "oh well, too bad, so sad" if they get sick as a result of their choice.

Hmmm, seems to work the same way they counted covid-19 deaths.

Something we agree on. The earth, as it turns out, is not flat afterall.

Halle-freakin-lujah.

How do you equate deciding on receiving a vaccine with murdering an unborn child?

The article states 7-day average, not 7-day "daily" average...

Florida is currently #25 in death rates nationally...

• U.S. COVID-19 death rate by state | Statista

I can't find anything to back up or refute your 15000+ cases claim...

Well, we now know that he purposely lied to the public, so there's that...

No, he lied quite easily, on his own, without any pressure from any particular letter...

As does the current whatever you want to call him...

I hope you're wrong, because that is the very sort of tyranny people have been preparing to fight against...

Dr. Birk is a woman.

She was under pressure to lie for that president.

Please provide all the lies she told for him. This should be interesting.

Tis a shame so many ignored this wisdom in the "make your home safer" thread when mentioning firearms... :icon_wink:

If your choice to not vaccinate, causes you to get a contagious disease, and you spread it to someone who dies, they are 100% exactly equal.

Your freedom of choice has caused someone else's death. If that's okay with you, then it's okay with you. If it's not, then it isn't. There's no "this but not that" in this equation.

I never said she lied for him. Please show me where you found "was under pressure to lie" equals "did lie" in an encyclopedia under that bridge you enjoy so much.


This should be interesting.

Hydroxychloroquine did help and no one ever suggested using bleach... But you be you...

That has got to be the worst rationalization for murdering babies ever. If the vaccine works, who would be harmed by it? The unvaccinated have made a choice to take a risk. That child that is murdered has no options.

Even more interesting, what lies was she pressured into telling. You can’t have it both ways with your claim.

You agree with a false premise? Great!

As usual, some just can't keep from getting political or attacking others. Thread Closed.

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