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You seem to use that 0.65% number as a low number; it really isn't, but for the moment let's take it as low. You then include that article to question whether the vaccines are safe. In the article it says that the syndrome has occurred 10 times as frequently after having the J&J vaccine than is generally expected. "10 times" sounds frighteningly high but what are the numbers? The article says that 100 cases have developed after 12.8M injections. My calculator says that the occurrence of the syndrome in those vaccinated with the J&J vaccine is approximately 0.00078% or about 1,000 times LESS than your low number for the COVID death rate. So take your pick, one case of a possibly serious syndrome out of every 100,000 injections or 1 permanent death out of every 100 infections. Even the article you posted has this statement: ... “They’ll say, ‘Aha, see, I was right.’ But they’re not right.” |
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yes, polypharmacy exists and it's a big problem especially among the elderly. I recently helped a neighbor sort thru her meds and there were many duplicate class of meds because she failed to realize she was supposed to stop one when another started. it's vitally important that patients know what they are taking and why they are taking it. if you use a local retail pharmacy you can ask for counseling from the pharmacist. it you use a mail in system, you can call because they should have pharmacists available to do the same. but to just make a blanket statement that anything that comes from Big Pharma is questionable is unfortunate. |
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7 Children in Intensive Care, 2 on Life Support, in Mississippi as State Sees Surge in Delta Variant Cases | PEOPLE.com |
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Please.......first, one only wishes they could be as smart. 2) he has had nothing but pushback from people w/o brains and 3) the people that can't get out of their own way...well most likely won't be around if they catch the delta strain. They had every chance to help themselves, they put their cause in front of their own health, or future....I don't get it. I will agree there was a extremely small amount of risk by vaccinating, but I truly believe we are going to see allot of sickness and death very very soon. Sorry folks...there were no chips inside, no tracers, Bill Gates is not involved in a conspiracy...it was/is a horrendous pandemic and we have a 99% fix. We were lead to the water....now drink |
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Vaccine a condition of employment.... careful what you wish for. There's many out there that will quit the industry before they agree to this vaccine. That's how strong THEY feel. Ask all staff if they're vaccinated..... You're very likely to get some not so polite responses. And deservedly so. |
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Were the kids in ICU under 12? Couldn't have had the vaccine in any event, they don't qualify if under 12 yo. The article also doesn't discuss the kids health histories. Are these cases where the kid has significant co-morbidities? We're all too well aware that those w co-morbidities were THE most vulnerable with the first wave of C19? Is there reason yet to believe this isn't the case w this latest wave? I've read several articles who cite studies that show while this Delta variant is more contagious, it is not more deadly. |
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I agree 100%. If it comes across political, well maybe there is no denying it was..is. no one can deny what...he...did, what he downplayed. Sorry, but now it's part if history and some of the people that post- with a very strong hand...saying "you can't say that" and then end with a strong political comment themselves, don't get removed???? Very interesting. Ps...then of course there will be some silly emoje, coming thru as condensing....that too is ok?? |
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Get your vaccination & let the rest do what they wish. Quit trying to push the vaccination on those who don’t want it. Nature will take it’s course. Live & Let Live! |
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Again, thank you....a well deserved spanking. |
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COVID Data Tracker Weekly Review | CDC |
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154 -> 1078 deaths in a week 205 -> 1435 deaths in a week (1500 seemed close enough) It's odd that those numbers are about 50 less than what the WaPo presents. It *could* be that the WaPo accumulates on the day the deaths were reported rather than assigning them to the day they occurred. |
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But to turn the question around a little, if there is a good reason why these previously assumed intelligent persons did not accept the vaccine then what does it say about their coworkers who DID accept the vaccine? I will absolutely question my choice of healthcare workers based on the choices I see them making. Though to agree with part of your previous post - it is improper to demand to know if someone is vaccinated and mandates are the wrong way to go. |
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To preface my comment, I have my shots. That said, I do NOT encourage or discourage anyone from getting the vaccination. The reason I refuse to encourage my children and grandkids/great grandkids to get vaccinated with this vaccine is that I am NOT totally positive that there are not some possible negative side effects that may occur several years from now. I just do not know and they can not give us guarantees. I doubt I would believe them if they did. You can give me tons of subject matter to study, but the ONLY way one is to get true, historical facts is after a period of time. Since my children and grandchildren have had the virus (most of them) and have survived with little effort, hardly more than suffering a cold, I do not see the harm of them refusing the vaccination. If they get it, so be it. I will not discourage them from getting the shots. My opinion is that children should not be given the vaccination until we are sure it is essential. Yes, I understand there was much research and testing. BUT, I would feel much better after we have the results of the vaccinations after a decade or two to be sure something as serious as sterility or other forms of disease are not cased as a side effect.
Don't get me wrong, the vaccination HAS been a miracle and has saved probably millions of lives in the world. Would I have gotten the vaccination if not for my spouse's medical condition? Maybe not. Am I glad I did get my shots? So far, yes. To summarize, the reason I will not encourage or discourage anyone to get the shot is that I do not want to be responsible for the guilt I would feel if I was instrumental in a bad reaction or permanent damage caused by the vaccine. |
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Why should Doctors and Nurses have to treat those who flaunt their "non vaccinated" attitude. I know its their job, but these non vaccinated folk wont help themselves, and just keep spreading it. |
Schools will close if kids get it badly! There goes day care for working parents!
Food for thought for anti-vaxers..... If the schools have to close again what will they do for day care? All those two-family earners with young children will be unemployed again - just when so many states are doing away with enhanced unemployment benefits!
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Two things, not to argue but expand on what you say. 1. There will never be a guarantee. There was only be a reason to believe it is better than the alternative. I don't believe there is a single medication that is without side effects - and sometimes those side effects seem worse than the issue the medication is supposed to treat. 2. Time - I am not a doctor or medical researcher, I am not aware of what methods are available to predict long-term effects. I know in the computer industry. And long term reliability is a crucial component of total product life cycle costs for companies (it should be for people too, but most people impulse buy) There are numerous methods to do accelerated aging and to determine probably or expected component failures. Since the healthcare industry deals with people's lives and has a history of "oh darns" (Thalidomide among others) I would be amazed if they don't also have methodologies that allow for accelerated long-term outcome prediction. |
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So, what if hospitals refused to treat people COVID that were not vacinated? |
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Those closest to them are now besides themselves for not protecting their children from themselves. |
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It was Fauci’s indignation at that political gathering giving vaccines a thumbs down. But the largest audience witnessing thumbs down came the night that question was asked during a debate which millions were watching and the answer was no. Hard to backtrack after that. |
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"The state is reporting daily cases close to four times the national average...the second-highest number in the country. The state’s latest covid-19 death rate is almost double the national figure." |
I want to apologize for getting sidetracked on my recent post from the subject. It is easy to do when there are many other posters, with their own ideas.
I believe the subject of this thread was in regards to a "spike" in COVID infections? IMO the infection count is not as important as the stats on COVID related hospitalizations and especially COVID related deaths. Wasn't the ambition of the vaccinations aimed at lowering deaths and hospitalizations? Was there any guarantee that the vaccine would eliminate positive test results? No. The flu shot does not eliminate the FLU, it makes infections less dangerous for the vaccinated, right? Stats show that the vaccinations OR weakening of the virus OR the rising immunity have resulted in less COVID related deaths. Sorry, I am not providing a "link" to such stats, but everyone here seems to have their own preference as to where the information must originate in order to pass their muster. |
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CNN Friday stated that Pfizer has seen waning efficacy in immunity and third dose may be necessary 6-12 months after vaccination. |
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The Influenza virus is not eradicated and is related to the corona virus. To eradicate it would require massive mandatory vaccinations worldwide. And they would have to address all current variants and would have to be distributed faster than the virus could mutate. Not a likely outcome. So, we are likely entering into an era of cyclic profit for the vaccine companies where we get vaccinations every year for this year's variant. Of course, the problem is we don't know if that will slow COVID as effectively as it does the seasonal flu. |
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