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Nucky 08-05-2021 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 1983574)
a gentle reminder - (from another post elsewhere)

Imagine being born in 1900.
When you are 14 years old
World War I begins
and ends when you are 18,
with 22 million dead.
Shortly after the world pandemic,
flu called ′′ Spanish ",
killing 50 million people.
You go out alive and free,
and you are 20 years old.
Then at the age of 29 you survive the global economic crisis that started with the collapse of the New York Stock Exchange causing inflation, unemployment and hunger.
Nazis come to power at 33.
You are 39 when world war 2. begins
and it ends when you are 45 during the Holocaust (Shoah), 6 million Jews die.
There will be a total of more than 60 million dead.
When your 52th Korean war begins.
When you are 64, the Vietnam war begins and ends when you are 75.
A baby born in 1985 believes his grandparents have no idea how hard life is,
and survived several wars and disasters.
A boy born in 1995 and 25 today believes that the end of the world when his Amazon package takes more than three days to arrive or if he doesn't exceed 15 likes for his posted photo on Facebook or Instagram...
In 2020., many of us live in comfort, have access to various sources of entertainment at home and often have more than needed.
But people complain about everything.
They have electricity, phone, food, hot water and a roof over their heads.
None of this existed.
But humanity survived much more serious circumstances and never lost the joy of life.

Maybe it's time to be less selfish, stop whining and crying
Spectacular Post! Thank You 🙏!

JMintzer 08-05-2021 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 1983821)
I mentioned about the health care workers (nurses, etc.) not wanting to get the vaccine and a poster thought I equated that with the stats on the doctors, which was not my intention. I merely wanted to point out that nurses and other health workers were not on board with the vaccinations and perhaps that was telling in some way.
Same...

GeriS 08-07-2021 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1983291)
The first is cherry picking out of the bible--and not very relevant to the current situation--to suit one's own belief.


The second is a faith-based opinion that has nothing to do with science, from one of the original anti-vaxxers, talking about small pox vaccination. A hundred--hundred!-- years ago. Opinions and faith-based ideas that differ from what's empirically established is not valid science.
That's exactly the problem. There has been no science to prove masks work, the virus has never been isolated, the creator of the pcr test says it doesn't work, & the vaccines don't either.

GeriS 08-07-2021 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Cview (Post 1983769)
Ivermectin was what I wormed my horses with, what kind of doctor prescribes ivermectin for Covid????
ones that know it works along with hcq

Jack58033 08-07-2021 01:08 PM
Kafka lives!

Jack58033 08-07-2021 01:18 PM
How about a drink?

GrumpyOldMan 08-07-2021 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by GeriS (Post 1985374)
That's exactly the problem. There has been no science to prove masks work, the virus has never been isolated, the creator of the pcr test says it doesn't work, & the vaccines don't either.
All of this is false. Completely false.

Ben Franklin 08-07-2021 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1983291)
The first is cherry picking out of the bible--and not very relevant to the current situation--to suit one's own belief.


The second is a faith-based opinion that has nothing to do with science, from one of the original anti-vaxxers, talking about small pox vaccination. A hundred--hundred!-- years ago. Opinions and faith-based ideas that differ from what's empirically established is not valid science.
Knowing that man created all of his goddesses and gods, all 12,000 plus of them makes me a non-religious person, but one who still wants to believe that consciousness survives death. Have you ever heard of Dr. Ian Stevenson and his research on reincarnation? He was responsible for Division of Perceptual Studies at the University of Virginia.

Division of Perceptual Studies | University of Virginia School of Medicine

I am reminded of the saying about god not saving one from harm. This is a slightly different version. A religious person who refused to get the vaccination died and upon getting to the pearly gates asked god why "he" didn't save her. God replied, I tried. I sent you the vaccine.

MDLNB 08-07-2021 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GeriS (Post 1985374)
That's exactly the problem. There has been no science to prove masks work, the virus has never been isolated, the creator of the pcr test says it doesn't work, & the vaccines don't either.

Kinda harsh. Although, like the rest of us you have the right to your opinion.
I believe that masks do FILTER but most that you see would not keep the covid out.
I am not sure what they really know about the virus.
I think you may be pretty close to correct regarding the useless nature of the test. They are reportedly going to discontinue it since they say it can't tell the difference between the flu and the covid.
I hope the vaccines work. For the sake of all that are now going back to normal activities.
That's my opinion on the subject.

GrumpyOldMan 08-07-2021 02:59 PM
An unvaccinated righteous person died and went to heaven. Upon arrival they asked God, why didn't you save me.

God answered, "I tried. I sent you the vaccine."

lkagele 08-07-2021 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1985416)
All of this is false. Completely false.
Not exactly. There are studies out there that find masks are not effective, especially the type the majority are wearing. All you have to do is look at them. There are numerous gaps that allow the virus through. The virus goes through the cloth masks. Maybe if worn properly, the N95 masks would work but few are wearing those.

If you want a 'mask' to work, you need a respirator, the type you see body shop painters using. There is a definite seal around the mouth and nose. Air passes through a filter that captures any virus.

Malsua 08-07-2021 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1985466)
Not exactly. There are studies out there that find masks are not effective, especially the type the majority are wearing. All you have to do is look at them. There are numerous gaps that allow the virus through. The virus goes through the cloth masks. Maybe if worn properly, the N95 masks would work but few are wearing those.

If you want a 'mask' to work, you need a respirator, the type you see body shop painters using. There is a definite seal around the mouth and nose. Air passes through a filter that captures any virus.
This. Paper masks, cloth masks and similar can block droplets. They are essentially invisible to aerosols. The predominant mode of transmission of Sars-cov2 is aerosols. There is some droplet transmission, but if you aren't around people sneezing in your mouth, that one is easily avoidable.

Back in 2009, I was painting our house in NJ with an airless sprayer. I bought some of those blue masks, figuring it'd do something. It didn't do anything. My beard under the mask was just as covered as what was outside of the mask.

I used to infrequently paint cars in the late 80s, so I grabbed one of those old smelly full faced ones, put a new filter in it and finished the job.

GrumpyOldMan 08-07-2021 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1985466)
Not exactly. There are studies out there that find masks are not effective, especially the type the majority are wearing. All you have to do is look at them. There are numerous gaps that allow the virus through. The virus goes through the cloth masks. Maybe if worn properly, the N95 masks would work but few are wearing those.

If you want a 'mask' to work, you need a respirator, the type you see body shop painters using. There is a definite seal around the mouth and nose. Air passes through a filter that captures any virus.
This is the original post: " There has been no science to prove masks work"

That is FALSE. Period.

There is plenty of science to prove masks work. Their "job" is to reduce the chance to spread the virus - either in getting or giving it.

Now, if you want to say, as you did, that some masks are more effective than others. I agree N95 is the most effective generally available mask. But even it has to be fitted correctly.

To make a categorical statement that masks don't work is just misinformation.

RICH1 08-08-2021 05:42 AM
Herd Immunity is a fantasy! Let's stay real and start living life.. if Covid was so bad, all retirement community's would be wiped off the map.. cut back on the smokes and free love

Bay Kid 08-08-2021 06:46 AM
It is so sad that we have become a world that we cannot believe anyone.

CoachKandSportsguy 08-08-2021 09:19 AM
Very simple answer the government's lack of interest
 
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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 1983313)
I accept the premise of your post which is why I simply do not understand our government's lack of interest in therapeutics?
Our Govt, meaning the US, as there are many govt around the world, is now populated with people who love being in power more than being a leader. Most have never had to lead in the true sense of the word, which includes shared sacrifice.

Also, the supreme court decision which allowed corporations to act as voting entities allowing political contributions has created a third party to the people electing government officials, and they have much deeper pockets than individuals.

I urge all of you to read Tom Nichol's book, "Our Own Worst Enemy: The Assault from within on Modern Democracy"
Amazon.com

You can see this happening very slowly within the political organization of "The Villages"

and yes, you and I (the royal we) are all still humans with all the normal human foibles available to us to falter with, the most common being believing in stories but weighting negative stories much more heavily for survival. ..

almost retired guy
president of my high school's internet debate club

kkingston57 08-08-2021 02:25 PM
Just a thought and too late now, but the politicians should have considered giving the stimulus money to vaccinated persons only.

Have 2 nieces from a sister and a niece and nephew from brother. 2 of the 4 will not get vaccinated. Guess which ones, based upon Grade Point Average, are not getting jabbed?

GrumpyOldMan 08-08-2021 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 1985922)
Just a thought and too late now, but the politicians should have considered giving the stimulus money to vaccinated persons only.

Have 2 nieces from a sister and a niece and nephew from brother. 2 of the 4 will not get vaccinated. Guess which ones, based upon Grade Point Average, are not getting jabbed?
I disagree, it is not too late now. It has been suggested (in this thread or another on here) that a $5,000 check go with each jab.

Swoop 08-08-2021 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 1985922)
Just a thought and too late now, but the politicians should have considered giving the stimulus money to vaccinated persons only.

Have 2 nieces from a sister and a niece and nephew from brother. 2 of the 4 will not get vaccinated. Guess which ones, based upon Grade Point Average, are not getting jabbed?
The ones with the higher GPA decided against getting vaccinated…

Bay Kid 08-09-2021 06:41 AM
No welfare payments until you are vaccinated. That should do the trick. Also go look for a job!

JMintzer 08-09-2021 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1986101)
No welfare payments until you are vaccinated. That should do the trick. Also go look for a job!
It'll never pass the SCOTUS...

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-09-2021 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1986101)
No welfare payments until you are vaccinated. That should do the trick. Also go look for a job!
Sure, the ones who are least likely to have access to the vaccine are the ones you want to punish.

Federal funding of the vaccine is NOT distributed evenly throughout this country.

JMintzer 08-09-2021 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1986132)
Sure, the ones who are least likely to have access to the vaccine are the ones you want to punish.

Federal funding of the vaccine is NOT distributed evenly throughout this country.
Correct...

Here in DC, they concentrated the vaccine disbursement in the poorer parts of the city before giving it to the richer parts of town...

Wait a sec... That's not what you meant at all!

GrumpyOldMan 08-09-2021 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1986227)
Correct...

Here in DC, they concentrated the vaccine disbursement in the poorer parts of the city before giving it to the richer parts of town...

Wait a sec... That's not what you meant at all!
Yup, that's right, and that is one out of 20,000 cities in the US.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-09-2021 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1986227)
Correct...

Here in DC, they concentrated the vaccine disbursement in the poorer parts of the city before giving it to the richer parts of town...

Wait a sec... That's not what you meant at all!
Here in Florida, they concentrated it on one very exclusive batch of the absolute wealthiest and politically-connected first. Then they gave it to the Seniors. Then the essential workers but only over a certain age. Then the plebians were allowed to get it.

fishon 08-09-2021 01:30 PM
The CDC announced that we can beat the Delta and Lambda variants if we just self isolate for fourteen days and mask up…….

Uh, hold the phone. I’ll get back to you.

JMintzer 08-09-2021 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1986280)
Yup, that's right, and that is one out of 20,000 cities in the US.
You don't think the same thing was done all across the country?

golfing eagles 08-09-2021 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1986283)
Here in Florida, they concentrated it on one very exclusive batch of the absolute wealthiest and politically-connected first. Then they gave it to the Seniors. Then the essential workers but only over a certain age. Then the plebians were allowed to get it.
Agree the order was seniors, essential worker then everyone else. But would you care to cite a source that substantiates that the vaccine was first given to an "exclusive batch of the absolute wealthiest and politically-connected". And don't include a photo op where politicians received the vaccine in public to show people it was safe.

golfing eagles 08-09-2021 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by fishon (Post 1986286)
The CDC announced that we can beat the Delta and Lambda variants if we just self isolate for fourteen days and mask up…….

Uh, hold the phone. I’ll get back to you.
Yep, looks like they're back to those magic masks again.

GrumpyOldMan 08-09-2021 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1986294)
You don't think the same thing was done all across the country?
No, do you?

GrumpyOldMan 08-09-2021 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1986334)
Yep, looks like they're back to those magic masks again.
You left out the self isolate part.

I have not read that advice, but I expect it is out of context. IF everyone in the world stayed home for 14 days (I expect it needs to be a little longer) then the virus would mostly disappear (assuming it hasn't jumped to wild animals).

But, yeah, let's shut down everything for 14 days - hospitals, factories, farms, everything.

So, that is not going to happen, so I would have to read their comment to see what they actually said.

golfing eagles 08-09-2021 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1986372)
You left out the self isolate part.

I have not read that advice, but I expect it is out of context. IF everyone in the world stayed home for 14 days (I expect it needs to be a little longer) then the virus would mostly disappear (assuming it hasn't jumped to wild animals).

But, yeah, let's shut down everything for 14 days - hospitals, factories, farms, everything.

So, that is not going to happen, so I would have to read their comment to see what they actually said.
Here's the post I was responding to:

"The CDC announced that we can beat the Delta and Lambda variants if we just self isolate for fourteen days and mask up…….

Uh, hold the phone. I’ll get back to you"

So yes, I agree, there must be more to it.

Escape Artist 08-09-2021 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1986280)
Yup, that's right, and that is one out of 20,000 cities in the US.
They did it in California, too, as state policy - equity!

drducat 08-10-2021 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1986372)
You left out the self isolate part.

I have not read that advice, but I expect it is out of context. IF everyone in the world stayed home for 14 days (I expect it needs to be a little longer) then the virus would mostly disappear (assuming it hasn't jumped to wild animals).

But, yeah, let's shut down everything for 14 days - hospitals, factories, farms, everything.

So, that is not going to happen, so I would have to read their comment to see what they actually said.
Not so fast...........

"Wrong again. The number of cases
@CDCgov
released for Florida today is incorrect. They combined MULTIPLE days into one. We anticipate CDC will correct the record.":popcorn:

https://twitter.com/HealthyFla/statu...749101571?s=20

Gotta watch the CDC..Not being truthful :evil6:

Bill14564 08-10-2021 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1986510)
Not so fast...........

"Wrong again. The number of cases
@CDCgov
released for Florida today is incorrect. They combined MULTIPLE days into one. We anticipate CDC will correct the record.":popcorn:

https://twitter.com/HealthyFla/statu...749101571?s=20

Gotta watch the CDC..Not being truthful :evil6:
Isn't that a bit like arguing that your speedometer showed 95mph so there is no way you were doing 120mph?

Altavia 08-10-2021 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1986510)
Not so fast...........

"Wrong again. The number of cases
@CDCgov
released for Florida today is incorrect. They combined MULTIPLE days into one. We anticipate CDC will correct the record.":popcorn:

https://twitter.com/HealthyFla/statu...749101571?s=20

Gotta watch the CDC..Not being truthful :evil6:
Florida needs to go back to reporting daily numbers...

drducat 08-10-2021 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1986544)
Isn't that a bit like arguing that your speedometer showed 95mph so there is no way you were doing 120mph?
My speedo is accurate not like the info the CDC is putting out.

golfing eagles 08-10-2021 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1986750)
My speedo is accurate not like the info the CDC is putting out.
So,

CDC= inaccurate
that post= accurate

Hmmmm........

Bay Kid 08-11-2021 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1986560)
Florida needs to go back to reporting daily numbers...
In the area with the heaviest number of new cases is there an influx of new people? Just curious. Tenn. is seeing heavier numbers where new people were relocated.

MDLNB 08-11-2021 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1983446)
I agree NO ONE gets out of this alive, so why bother trying.

Let's close all the hospitals, no more bypass operations, no more treatments for any diseases are allowed. Why bother, better to just let them all die and make more room for the rest of us.

Let's remove ALL the stop signs and traffic lights.

And we can save all that money we spend trying to keep food safe.

There is no end to ways we can save money and stress, just let everyone die.

Is it okay if your grandchildren go first? I mean they are going to die anyway.

My grandchildren have had the virus and shrugged it off easier than a cold. And yes they were tested and found positive for Covid. They'll probably do better than the ones that will eventually get vaccinated. Who knows?

Life is not all black and white regardless of what a certain group of people like to think. It is not "if you believe this then you also believe that."


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