[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by quill

I think eating is only a portion of the problem. How do you answer the following?
Do you die your hair?
Do you get your nails done?
Do you use deodorant?
Do you use skin cream or lotion?
Do you use cleaning chemicals around the house?
Do you breath the gas fumes when filling your car?
Do you walk around barefoot on you lawn?
Do you wash you hands to remove chemicals as soon as you come off the golf course?
Do you use sun block rather than limiting sun exposure?
Do you use perfume?
What shampoo do you use?
On and on and on, etc
How you answer those questions are as important if not more so than how you eat. We are systematically poisoning ourselves with daily consumptions of chemicals that no one has researched. They may have researched how their own chemicals impact us but no company can go out and research how they all react together from one brand to the next. If all the vegan are watching for these things along with eating the way they do then congrats, but
I think eating is only a small portion of the big picture. I have no proof, but believe that many of our current day illness are environmental, because we do not take the time to look ate what we are exposing ourselves to.
And lastly do you wear your seat belt?
And do you drive when you have drinking?
Food for thought?

THANK YOU.....for bringing in a big component of what has a LOT more to do with human cells mutating and going cancerous than whether we eat meat, milk, eggs, etc. or not.

I think there is a lot of confusion about the terms "genes" and "genetic" when
talking about what brings on or worsens th likelihood of cancer forming in us. Genes and genetics don't refer to just hereditary tendencies/traits. Genes and genetics also refer to the sets of instructions or codes witin cells that control how they form, work, and mutate.

This American Cancer Society page from its History of Cancer section is excellent and explains well some of the notions people rely on, thinking they can control cancer from ever forming in themselves.

Actually, only God can "control" or prevent any of this. But that would also require a person to resign from being General Manager of the Universe, to let God be in charge....and then ask him and listen for a response.

I know some are turned off by that, but read this interesting article anyway. We all learn something new every day.



"Modern knowledge and cancer causes"

By the middle of the 20th century, scientists had the instruments they needed to work on some of the complex problems of chemistry and biology that remained unsolved. James Watson and Francis Crick, who received a Nobel Prize in 1962 for their work, had discovered the exact chemical structure of
DNA, the basic material in genes.

DNA was found to be the basis of the genetic code that gives orders to all cells. After learning how to translate this code, scientists were able to understand how genes worked and how they could be damaged by mutations (changes or mistakes in genes). These modern techniques of chemistry and biology answered many complex questions about cancer.

Scientists already knew that cancer could be caused by chemicals, radiation, and viruses, and that sometimes cancer seemed to run in families. But as the
understanding of DNA and genes increased, they learned that it was the damage to DNA by chemicals and radiation, or the introduction of new DNA sequences by viruses that often led to the development of cancer. It became possible to pinpoint the exact site of the damage on a specific gene.

Scientists discovered that sometimes defective genes are inherited, and sometimes these inherited genes are defective at the same points that chemicals exerted their effect. In other words, most of the things that caused cancer (carcinogens) caused genetic damage (mutations), these mutations led to abnormal groups of cells (called clones), the mutant clones evolved to even more malignant clones over time, and the cancer progressed by more and more genetic damage and mutations. Normal cells with damaged DNA die; cancer cells with damaged DNA do not. The discovery of this critical difference answered many questions that had troubled scientists for many years....."

Modern knowledge and cancer cause

[jimbo2012]

iLovetv,

Please clarify one point here, do believe that MILK is good for you?

[quill]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

All contributing factors I'm sure, but more so perhaps for cancer related issues, mostly.

As you said no specific research to prove those associations, and if you did all that and were a vegan you still can get hit by a bus.

However, there is research on eating a vegan diet, rock solid!

Oh vegans can & do drink, (not driving)

I do not know or really care, if there is research proving how chemicals impact us, I believe they do just as having to many X-rays does, so I choose to limit or completely remove chemicals from my life style, to the degree that I can.
The government tells us
eggs are bad and change's it mind
milk is bad and changes it's mind
coffee is bad and changes it's mind
sunscreen is good and changes it's mind
cholesterol medicine is good for you, maybe
Again etc., etc.,
I choose not to listen because behind all of it is often an agenda. If a vegan says I stopped doing something because of all the bad things in meat,eggs milk, whatever then how can chemicals be discounted in non-food items.
It may be proven that being a vegan is healthy from a medical standpoint (ie, eg, low blood pressure, low cholesterol, low whatever) but, unless you have an identical twin you are doing a double blind study with and the twin is eating all the bad stuff you are not, then you can not prove it will lengthen your life. It is the same as those that exercise all the time saying it will help life expectancy. A great number of long distance runners over the years have dropped dead while running.
Do what you will because life is a crap shoot and everyone should enjoy it anyway they feel they want, but if you espouse vegan then you should include chemicals (environment) in the equation or it it not a complete equation.

[anarick]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

iLovetv,

Please clarify one point here, do believe that MILK is good for you?

depends on where you get it from and how old it is

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by anarick

depends on where you get it from and how old it is

Not if you get a tummy ache or tastes bad.

The issue was related to cancer and if you believe there's link.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

iLovetv,

Please clarify one point here, do believe that MILK is good for you?

Why do you ask this?

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Why do you ask this?

Because you said "a LOT more to do with human cells mutating and going cancerous than whether we eat meat, milk, eggs, etc. or not."

Yes or no

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Because you said "a LOT more to do with human cells mutating and going cancerous than whether we eat meat, milk, eggs, etc. or not."

Yes or no

Yes, I think mother's milk is nature's perfect food for babies and young toddlers.

Beyond that, referring to cow's milk, I go by what I see: All our parents and grandparents and their siblings drank milk till they died in their 80's, without cancers nor heart disease, and the ones that are still alive (our four parents) are all in their late 80's and still drink milk daily and are healthy.....probably due also to the fact that they don't smoke, and they walk a couple of miles daily.......and have good genes from hardy northern European ancestors (nordic types).

[jimbo2012]

The Dairy industry’s “GOT MILK “campaign is arguably the most successful campaigns of all time.
“Got Milk? is an American advertising campaign encouraging the consumption of cow’s milk.


I didn’t know until a bit over a year ago that milk contained Casein it is related to phosphoproteins.
These proteins are in milk, making up 80% of the proteins in cow’s milk.

Dr. T. Colin Campbell's The China Study, a book about one of the largest nutritional studies ever conducted, describes a direct correlation between casein administered to rats and the promotion of cancer cell growth when exposed to carcinogens.
Aflatoxin (a potent carcinogen) was administered to these rats over a 2 week dosing period. The rats were given a 1 week post-dosing period before beginning the test (promotion period). During the promotion period, one group of rats was put on a 5% casein protein diet and another group on a 20% casein protein diet. None of the rats on 5% casein protein developed foci, precursors to cancerous cell growth, and every rat on 20% casein protein developed the pre-cancer foci. It should be noted that all test groups were fed a 20% casein diet for a total of 5 weeks (2-wk acclimation, 2-wk dosing, 1-wk post-dosing) prior to the 12 week promotion period in order to survive the initial aflatoxin B1 (AFB1) dosing, regardless of whether they were in the 5% or 20% test groups.

Studies conducted by Dr. Campbell on humans confirmed this correlation between the amount of casein protein consumed and the promotion of cancerous cell growth. Dr. Campbell found a correlation between cancer growth and the amount of casein protein in diet.

This study states “Casein is the most relevant carcinogen that humans ingest. It is more potent than DDT or dioxin.”

has also been linked to autism in some studies
Casein paint, is a fast-drying, water-soluble medium used by artists. Found in glues for woodworking.

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Modern knowledge and cancer cause

ilovetv, this refers to dated 1962 materiel.

[2BNTV]

Some people age like fine wine. I age more like milk.

[graciegirl]

I like milk. I love ice cream.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by tucson

No drinking alcohol, soda, cow's milk,no eating meat, no fish from Far East, no drugs,no smoking, stay out of long exposure to the sun,and be careful of the doctor's and hospitals you go to.

I wonder what cave men used to say: Watch out for lions, watch out for snakes, watch out for tigers, watch out for bees, watch out for lightening, watch out for bears, watch out for too much sun exposure. And the list goes on and on. Nothing has changed.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by pooh

In all honesty, I'm not sure if this is actually possible for some. Of course, taking care to eat right, take safety precautions in living and taking and doing things in moderation is a good way to live, but there are those little genes that might just prevent long life. My Dad lived to 98 years of age....he smoked, drank, had lots of stress in his life, and didn' eat well by today's definition of what's healthy, but his mother as well as his grandmother lived into their very late 90's. My father-in-law exercised, ate well, regularly visited his health care providers, yet he died at 72 from cancer, a disease that plagued his family, and took the lives of his parents as well as many of his siblings.

I'm not advocating throwing all caution to the wind and doing whatever the heck we want....but it must also be recognized that we are the results of DNA soup and sometimes, no matter what....we either live longer or shorter lives. Sometimes our efforts to eat well, drink in moderation, and all the other things we do to stall the Grim Reaper, may keep some of around longer, sometimes, not.

I'll get off my soapbox now and get busy....the more you move, the less likely you will rust.....

Everything that you said above is the honest truth of the matter.
It is the genetics which we inherited.......our DNA that is the key to either our longevity or our being assailed by cancer or other life shortening diseases.

I've seen the skinniest, healthiest eaters who were also avid exercisers to the point of obsession, die young of cancer........whereas, I've also seen smokers and lovers of fine food live to a ripe old age.

I would add "to be kind to everyone, meditate or pray in whatever tradition you favor, to still your mind, and not sweat the small stuff."

[zcaveman]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I wonder what cave men used to say: Watch out for lions, watch out for snakes, watch out for tigers, watch out for bees, watch out for lightening, watch out for bears, watch out for too much sun exposure. And the list goes on and on. Nothing has changed.

We used to say eat the lion and tigers and bears and use their skins for warmth. Lightening cause fire to keep us warm. Sun is good - keeps cold away - brr. You are right - nothing has changed.

zcaveman

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Actually, only God can "control" or prevent any of this.

This is called defeatism: a mind set of expecting, accepting, or being resigned to defeat. We might as well shut down the science of nutrition and health because everything is hopeless.

I once had an obese neighbor who believed that, "your days are numbered by God from when you're born". So, no matter what you do, it's not going to help you or hurt you. If God intends you to live to the age of 65 or 75, that's it, you can't change it no matter what.

So, once a person says something like that, you should know that you can't have a logical conversation with that person. In her case, it was a fiction that allowed her to continue her addiction to fast food. About the last 8 years of her life consisted of her health going steadily down hill. She often wondered aloud, "where are my golden years?" But she never let up on her fast food addiction and eventually died from a massive stroke.

One thing I learned from her is that you can't reason with someone who believes that everything is determined in advance by a higher power.