[Packer Fan]

One thing we can count on in life - People are stupid. After that its all fuzzy.
So to the OP = so you live in a world where you eat foods that come from boxes with 40 ingredients in them. You are in constant contact with chemicals and plastics that have been shown to cause health problems (don't believe it, read the California prop 65 disclaimer that comes on almost everything these days). At the age people are in the villages, you are probably on several medications like Statins. You may have taken Birth control pills for 20 years(which have WAY worse side effects than any vaccine). After all that, a tiny piece of RNA that has to be boosted so it does not disappear in your blood stream too quickly is what is causing your issues? I sincerely doubt it. There has NEVER been a vaccine that has a side effect that manifests itself more than 2 months after administration. Much more likely you will have a reaction to your new shampoo. The only side effect from the vaccine at this point is YOU WON'T DIE. Hows that. Turn off the news.

To several of the "anti-vax" posters. Stop listening to crazy people on the internet. If you are over 60, there can be serious consequences with this virus. Way worse than any vaccine side effects EVER, from any vaccine. You could die, that's pretty final. 3.5 BILLION people have had the vaccine. It has been studied to death. it is safe and effective. Go get it and go on with your life.
Just so you know, I am very conservative, have an engineering degree and am married to an RN. I read all the studies - there is nothing to worry about from the vaccines. Just stop. I used to think conservtives were just smarter than liberals but lately I doubt that too. just go up to my first statement. Lots of stupid on both sides. I seriously don't understand why we need to vaccinate kids for this, it does not hurt them. However, if you are over 60, your chances of dying go up exponentially.

I am almost as sick of the anti vax crowd as I am of masks (which don't work at ALL, the data says the exact opposite in fact). Lets please move on.

[Vicxyz]

The original poster’s question and concerns are very valid. Anyone who has reviewed the data in the CDC VAERS database would know that. And the numbers have been estimated to be only one percent of actual events, as most are never reported. As of 7/9/21, VAERS reports 10,991 deaths in people after receiving a Covid experimental injection. And tinnitus has been widely reported as an adverse effect (5,442 events reported).

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Vicxyz

The original poster’s question and concerns are very valid. Anyone who has reviewed the data in the CDC VAERS database would know that. And the numbers have been estimated to be only one percent of actual events, as most are never reported. As of 7/9/21, VAERS reports 10,991 deaths in people after receiving a Covid experimental injection. And tinnitus has been widely reported as an adverse effect (5,442 events reported).

The juxtaposition of this post and the one by Packer Fan is quite amusing!

I would be surprised if ONLY 10,991 deaths have occurred in people after receiving the vaccine. Approximately 50% of the US population has been vaccinated in the last six months. In a "normal" year there are about 2.8 Million deaths. Therefore, in a "normal" year there would be approximately 700,000 deaths in 50% of the population. If there have been ONLY 10,991 deaths then either there are something like 690,000 more deaths that no one entered into the database OR the vaccine has actually prevented 690,000 deaths that otherwise would have occurred.

Bottom line: People die, people have tinnitus, and people have aches and pains all the time. The presence of an entry in the VAERS database shows correlation, not causation. There's a saying about hoofbeats and zebras that seems to apply here.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The juxtaposition of this post and the one by Packer Fan is quite amusing!

I would be surprised if ONLY 10,991 deaths have occurred in people after receiving the vaccine. Approximately 50% of the US population has been vaccinated in the last six months. In a "normal" year there are about 2.8 Million deaths. Therefore, in a "normal" year there would be approximately 700,000 deaths in 50% of the population. If there have been ONLY 10,991 deaths then either there are something like 690,000 more deaths that no one entered into the database OR the vaccine has actually prevented 690,000 deaths that otherwise would have occurred.

Bottom line: People die, people have tinnitus, and people have aches and pains all the time. The presence of an entry in the VAERS database shows correlation, not causation. There's a saying about hoofbeats and zebras that seems to apply here.

There you are being reasonable again!

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Just curious of anybody noticed any changes in your body after covid shots? It has been 3 months since my 2nd shot. I notice over the past few weeks that my sense of smell is changing. Also more joint aches and pains. Could be just getting older, but seems strange to just start happening.

No lingering effects; felt like crap the day after but played 18 and had a hole in one on Jacaranda #8.

[Vicxyz]

The VAERS system has been active for 22 years. The number of deaths for the covid “vaccination” is now more than double the deaths reported for all vaccinations combined in the previous 22 years.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Vicxyz

The VAERS system has been active for 22 years. The number of deaths for the covid “vaccination” is now more than double the deaths reported for all vaccinations combined in the previous 22 years.

Link us please, to the source of this information. I am extremely skeptical.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Vicxyz

The VAERS system has been active for 22 years. The number of deaths for the covid “vaccination” is now more than double the deaths reported for all vaccinations combined in the previous 22 years.

And which of those vaccinations of the last 22 years were followed as closely as this one? Which of those vaccinations were given to as many as this one? Which of those vaccinations had as many anti-vaxxers trying to find anything to prove their point as this one?

Is the number of reported deaths double because the vaccine is more dangerous or because there are tens of thousands more who want to believe it is?

Horses come in white and can have black markings but that still doesn't make them zebras.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

And which of those vaccinations of the last 22 years were followed as closely as this one? Which of those vaccinations were given to as many as this one? Which of those vaccinations had as many anti-vaxxers trying to find anything to prove their point as this one?

Is the number of reported deaths double because the vaccine is more dangerous or because there are tens of thousands more who want to believe it is?

Horses come in white and can have black markings but that still doesn't make them zebras.

How many of the above were being used for political agendas?

[Dan9871]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Link us please, to the source of this information. I am extremely skeptical.

VAERS - Data

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by billethkid

How many of the above were being used for political agendas?

How many of the above vaccines or how many of the reported deaths? My guess is none of the first and an alarming number of the second.

[petiteone]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Just curious of anybody noticed any changes in your body after covid shots? It has been 3 months since my 2nd shot. I notice over the past few weeks that my sense of smell is changing. Also more joint aches and pains. Could be just getting older, but seems strange to just start happening.

Since these symptoms are just appearing 3 months after your 2nd shot it could be you've been exposed to the Delta Variant and it broke through.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Andyb

Yes, I notice personality changes with some people including my parents. Mom was sick for several days and became more confused up till now. I read where joint pain is a side effect to the shots.

Sounds more like normal aging to me but what do I know?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

And which of those vaccinations of the last 22 years were followed as closely as this one? Which of those vaccinations were given to as many as this one? Which of those vaccinations had as many anti-vaxxers trying to find anything to prove their point as this one?

Is the number of reported deaths double because the vaccine is more dangerous or because there are tens of thousands more who want to believe it is?

Horses come in white and can have black markings but that still doesn't make them zebras.

Even though the warning at the very top of the VAERS website urges people to NOT use data as statistical evidence of ANYTHING, people choose to do so anyway.

The VAERS system is a *reporting* system. It collects reports from people. It is not evidence that any reports are based in fact. Many of those reports are completely unrelated to anything.

There have been reports of people dying shortly after ingesting "this" thing, or getting "that" vaccination.

What those reports DON'T mention - is that those people also ingested a quart of vodka in an hour's time, or that they were already dying of advanced stage brain cancer.

The reason that information doesn't show up in those reports, is because they are reported by ANYONE. Anyone can file a report, and it can say just about anything.

It is a collection of reports system, nothing more or less.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Sounds more like normal aging to me but what do I know?

Boy that's a loaded question.