[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by pooh

Not sure if you remember the movie "Sleeper" with Woodie Allen. Here's some lines from the movie that I always thought funny, but who knows....

Dr. Melik: This morning for breakfast he requested something called "wheat germ, organic honey and tiger's milk."
Dr. Aragon: [chuckling] Oh, yes. Those are the charmed substances that some years ago were thought to contain life-preserving properties.
Dr. Melik: You mean there was no deep fat? No steak or cream pies or... hot fudge?
Dr. Aragon: Those were thought to be unhealthy... precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true.
Dr. Melik: Incredible.

I didn't see that one but I'm sure it was funny. I like Woodie Allen movies. I saw one of his movies not too long ago in The Villages. What was the title? "Paris"? Anyway, it took place in Paris and I thought it was great.

[ariel]

Once you, Ariel, and Pturner get together, for example, if you ever do, I believe none of you would ever disagree with the others. You would have to think about what it would do to the friendship.
As a result, intellectual integrity could be compromised.[/QUOTE]

Not fair. I don't know either Graciegirl or PTurner, however I'd like to meet them both. I'l like to meet you also VillagesPL. And I think I've stated here that I agree with much that you say. I like discussions; spirted ones are great. I have assumed, from what you say, that you are interested in spreading the word about good nutrition - perhaps I've misunderstood?

I had a supervisor once who was a very wise lady. The job we were doing depended a lot on influencing others, as opposed to having any power over them, to effect change. One of her favorite messages was "you can catch a whole lot more flies with honey than you can with vinegar".

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by ariel

Not fair. I don't know either Graciegirl or PTurner, however I'd like to meet them both. I'l like to meet you also VillagesPL. And I think I've stated here that I agree with much that you say. I like discussions; spirted ones are great. I have assumed, from what you say, that you are interested in spreading the word about good nutrition - perhaps I've misunderstood?

I had a supervisor once who was a very wise lady. The job we were doing depended a lot on influencing others, as opposed to having any power over them, to effect change. One of her favorite messages was "you can catch a whole lot more flies with honey than you can with vinegar".

I didn't say it WOULD compromise intellectual integrity, I said it MAY compromise intellectual integrity. I have no way of knowing for sure one way or the other. You're right, it's not fair. I said what I said because I had a bad experience on another message board.

I'm glad to hear that you like spirited discussions because that's what they usuall turn out to be. And, yes, I do like to spread the word about good nutrition.

I think if I had to choose between honey and vinegar, I would definitly choose the honey. Although sometimes I tend to feel as though people will miss the point if I say it too nicely. Sometimes the truth about health just isn't nice. For example, if I say that something causes or promotes cancer, there will likely be some who will not like hearing it. What can I do about that? Some things can't be sugar coated, in my opinion.

P.S. I'd like to meet you sometime too.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by pooh

Can I skip the oatmeal? It doesn't like me....but I'll take the chocolate....ANYTIME...

I'd like to know what you usually eat for breakfast (don't forget to include portion sizes).

[pooh]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I'd like to know what you usually eat for breakfast (don't forget to include portion sizes).

Some days it's a bowl of Cheerios, never really measured, but I fill my bowl about half way. Pour on fat free Lactaid milk, put a thin slice of rye/pumpernickel swirl bread in the toaster. Top that with about two teaspoons of Nutella or peanut butter. Sometimes about 1/2 to 3/4 cup of sliced watermelon or half a small apple, or half an orange and maybe a small container of Greek yogurt ( about 4 ounces). Other days it might be eggs, two whites, one yolk. Every once in a while, a single slice of bacon with the eggs. Do have that thin slice of toast, too. If I'm going to be busy until after my body wants lunch, I'll have an egg, cereal, toast and yogurt.

May be more fat and protein than you eat, but It works for me. My body needs animal protein, I just don't get enough sustenance from a more plant based eating plan....believe me, I've tried it over the years.

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Ariel,
You are one smart cookie. I like you and hope to meet you one day.

Oops, did I say cookie? No offense, VPL.

Originally Posted by Villages PL

No offense taken, Pturner. A "smart cookie" means the person (usually a woman) is clever in dealing with difficult situations. I would say, "it takes one to know one". How do you like that?

I would guess you are refering to her statement that, "value can be missed if delivery is uncomfortable." I understand it and agree with it. The problem is I often don't have the time to stop and think how to make the message more comfortable. What in particular would you like to see changed?

Villages PL,
I apologize if my post offended you, as it was not my intent at all.

When I said no offense to you for saying she's a smart "cookie," I was trying to make a play on word, i.e., cookie usually brings to mind a sweet treat with um ... sugar and butter. You don't like sugar and butter. I meant it as a light-hearted joke. Apparently it did not come across that way. I truly am sorry.

p.s., Thanks for saying I'm a smart cookie, even though I apparently wasn't.

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I didn't say it WOULD compromise intellectual integrity, I said it MAY compromise intellectual integrity. I have no way of knowing for sure one way or the other. You're right, it's not fair. I said what I said because I had a bad experience on another message board.

I'm glad to hear that you like spirited discussions because that's what they usuall turn out to be. And, yes, I do like to spread the word about good nutrition.

I think if I had to choose between honey and vinegar, I would definitly choose the honey. Although sometimes I tend to feel as though people will miss the point if I say it too nicely. Sometimes the truth about health just isn't nice. For example, if I say that something causes or promotes cancer, there will likely be some who will not like hearing it. What can I do about that? Some things can't be sugar coated, in my opinion.

P.S. I'd like to meet you sometime too.

VillagesPL, I was thinking about how strongly you feel about good nutrition and the effects of bad nutrition on the body. Maybe one parallel would be smoking. People are free to choose to smoke, it's definitely not good for them, and most people understand and accept the consequences on their own body. But if you have had a loved one die from the effects of smoking, you may express your passion for non-smoking because of your wish to save lives. I am reminded of the new TV commercials that are pretty shocking about the impacts of smoking.
So in that context, I understand and appreciate your postings. Even if just a few people improve their diet, that will also improve the quality of their lives, and imho you will be the silent hero.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by quirky3

VillagesPL, I was thinking about how strongly you feel about good nutrition and the effects of bad nutrition on the body. Maybe one parallel would be smoking. People are free to choose to smoke, it's definitely not good for them, and most people understand and accept the consequences on their own body. But if you have had a loved one die from the effects of smoking, you may express your passion for non-smoking because of your wish to save lives. I am reminded of the new TV commercials that are pretty shocking about the impacts of smoking.
So in that context, I understand and appreciate your postings. Even if just a few people improve their diet, that will also improve the quality of their lives, and imho you will be the silent hero.

You are right, Quirky, and kind too. But I really do not think that people will change due to these posts, if anything it may turn folks off from really knowing more about healthy food choices because VillagesFl and Jimbo's choices are extreme. It is obvious that they think that they are helping all of us but what it is doing to me is turning me off.

I am watching someone close to me die of lung cancer, but I have not typed a letter about the dangers of smoking. My husband and I got really good results to our usual testing and six month check up yesterday but I don't feel I have a right to say how we eat in detail.

I feel that the freedom to choose for oneself is sacred and I don't feel that repeating, emphazising, sharing, continuing on the same subject, quoting nutritionists and starting threads on the same subjects is educating, promoting ideas or changing anyone's mind.

What it is for many of us is just annoying us. There is more than one way to skin a cat and there are many choices for a healthy life style and in my opinion not just one is right. Any improvement is good. But who is to say what is an improvement?

We are all grown ups here. I feel very sure that both VillagesFl and Jimbo are sincere and mean well. But I don't think that what is happening is what they hope will happen, that people will change to their way of eating and living.

Just my humble opinion.

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You are right, Quirky, and kind too. But I really do not think that people will change due to these posts, if anything it may turn folks off from really knowing more about healthy food choices because VillagesFl and Jimbo's choices are extreme. It is obvious that they think that they are helping all of us but what it is doing to me is turning me off.

I am watching someone close to me die of lung cancer, but I have not typed a letter about the dangers of smoking. My husband and I got really good results to our usual testing and six month check up yesterday but I don't feel I have a right to say how we eat in detail.

I feel that the freedom to choose for oneself is sacred and I don't feel that repeating, emphazising, sharing, continuing on the same subject, quoting nutritionists and starting threads on the same subjects is educating, promoting ideas or changing anyone's mind.

What it is for many of us is just annoying us. There is more than one way to skin a cat and there are many choices for a healthy life style and in my opinion not just one is right. Any improvement is good. But who is to say what is an improvement?

We are all grown ups here. I feel very sure that both VillagesFl and Jimbo are sincere and mean well. But I don't think that what is happening is what they hope will happen, that people will change to their way of eating and living.

Just my humble opinion.

Gracie, I really think it depends on the individual. I know that as a result of these exchanges, I have thought about nutrition more seriously, re-examined my weekly grocery shopping list, and am taking the topic a little more seriously. I see VillagesPL and Jimbo as people who care a lot, and find that touching. For me, the message is more important than the messenger or their style.

[graciegirl]

You have a point. I can't help being annoyed.

[ilovetv]

Those of us who have lived for decades with relatives and friends who are eating disordered--anorexic, bulimic and orthorexic--see that their obsession with bizarre eating rituals and yes, sadistic treatment of oneself is sick and self-destructive.

Dining and living with these people turns into the same thing as living with an alcoholic or crack addict. Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston are prime examples of those, who were also vegetarians/vegans. A lot of good their food religion did for them!

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I feel that the freedom to choose for oneself is sacred and I don't feel that repeating, emphazising, sharing, continuing on the same subject, quoting nutritionists and starting threads on the same subjects is educating, promoting ideas or changing anyone's mind. What it is for many of us is just annoying us.

I do think that Villages PL has made many good points and is a sincere messenger for a healthy lifestyle.

However I agree with Gracie that there is something annoying about being told that my food choices will put me in an early grave. And I shouldn't call Emergency unless I'm eating nothing but twigs, sticks and weeds every day!

I think JOY IN YOUR LIFE is the single most important aspect of a healthy life. Bountiful eating and drinking with friends can be a joyous occasion. Who are we to say it's wrong?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I do think that Villages PL has made many good points and is a sincere messenger for a healthy lifestyle.

However I agree with Gracie that there is something annoying about being told that my food choices will put me in an early grave. And I shouldn't call Emergency unless I'm eating nothing but twigs, sticks and weeds every day!

I think JOY IN YOUR LIFE is the single most important aspect of a healthy life. Bountiful eating and drinking with friends can be a joyous occasion. Who are we to say it's wrong?

The results of a long term study that began in the early 1920s and just concluded about a year or two ago, stated that the single biggest personality trait for health and longevity is "conscientiousness". It makes sense when you think about it. Conscientiousness covers just about everything we do in life.

When the study started, the participants were about 11 years old and a few of them are still living. The study kept track of them as they progressed through life. Those who were the most conscientious were the most successful, healthy and long lived.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by pooh

Some days it's a bowl of Cheerios, never really measured, but I fill my bowl about half way. Pour on fat free Lactaid milk, put a thin slice of rye/pumpernickel swirl bread in the toaster. Top that with about two teaspoons of Nutella or peanut butter. Sometimes about 1/2 to 3/4 cup of sliced watermelon or half a small apple, or half an orange and maybe a small container of Greek yogurt ( about 4 ounces). Other days it might be eggs, two whites, one yolk. Every once in a while, a single slice of bacon with the eggs. Do have that thin slice of toast, too. If I'm going to be busy until after my body wants lunch, I'll have an egg, cereal, toast and yogurt.

May be more fat and protein than you eat, but It works for me. My body needs animal protein, I just don't get enough sustenance from a more plant based eating plan....believe me, I've tried it over the years.

Thanks, very interesting. When I first moved to the Villages I was following the Zone philosophy, so I ate eggs for breakfast. I would buy a few dozen eggs at a time and I would hard-boil one dozen at a time in a large pan. I would eat 3 egg whites for breakfast and dispose of the yolks. Then I'd put the rest of the cooked eggs in the refrigerator for later use. I'm sure I had fruit, nuts and some kind of starch too. I might have had an egg white as part of a snack before or after a workout too.

The difference now is that I don't worry as much about getting enough protein. The Zone diet was known as being high in protein for those who were trying to lose weight. I'm not trying to lose weight so I can get by on less.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Villages PL,
I apologize if my post offended you, as it was not my intent at all.

When I said no offense to you for saying she's a smart "cookie," I was trying to make a play on word, i.e., cookie usually brings to mind a sweet treat with um ... sugar and butter. You don't like sugar and butter. I meant it as a light-hearted joke. Apparently it did not come across that way. I truly am sorry.

p.s., Thanks for saying I'm a smart cookie, even though I apparently wasn't.

No, I don't think I was offended as much as I was feeling discouraged because I felt like too many people were piling on. But I wasn't quite sure, so it's nice of you to let me know what your intentions were. I feel a lot better now and I hope you do to. Let's not give it another thought.