[zonerboy]

Try to understand biochemistry if you have skipped organic chemistry. Some posters seem to be severely limited in the logic department. Maybe they'd be good candidates for the fast track medical school concept.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by dbussone

The Flexner Report about 80 years ago did that very job, and changed medical education significantly. The AAMC has followed up on a frequent basis and keeps up with the times. It is working!

If it's working, why are there 800,000 deaths per year. Basically, doctors are in charge of medical care, not EMTs, PAs nurses or hospitals, etc. (The buck stops at the doctor's desk.)

The Daily Sun is not an expert on medical education ...despite the fact that I enjoy it and read it everyday.

The column wasn't written by the daily sun, it was written by a medical doctor.

[dbussone]

The buck doesn't stop at the doctors desk in all cases. Your data is spurious-you quote a number that is more than twice what the CDC reports. And your average doc is not an expert because he/she writes a column that supports what you wish to say. Do you watch Dr Oz everyday and practice what he preaches?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by dbussone

The buck doesn't stop at the doctors desk in all cases.

Give me an example.

Your data is spurious-you quote a number that is more than twice what the CDC reports.

The Center for Disease Control (CDC) is usually about disease. Many of these 800,000 yearly deaths are not due to disease.

And your average doc is not an expert because he/she writes a column that supports what you wish to say. Do you watch Dr Oz everyday and practice what he preaches?

And, likewise, he's not wrong just because he doesn't support what you wish to say.

I don't watch television. Although, I have one of his books that I bought in the library's used book room for a dollar.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Give me an example.




The Center for Disease Control (CDC) is usually about disease. Many of these 800,000 yearly deaths are not due to disease.




And, likewise, he's not wrong just because he doesn't support what you wish to say.

I don't watch television. Although, I have one of his books that I bought in the library's used book room for a dollar.

The CDC is the official repository for morbidity and mortality data for our country. ( And for many other vital statistics not associated with "disease.") The link which follows will take you to their official publication on the multiple causes of death for 2010:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr62/nvsr62_06.pdf.

Enjoy!

[dbussone]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that the report is 95 pages.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by dbussone

The CDC is the official repository for morbidity and mortality data for our country. ( And for many other vital statistics not associated with "disease.") The link which follows will take you to their official publication on the multiple causes of death for 2010:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr62/nvsr62_06.pdf.

Enjoy!

The link you provided has a classification for "accidental deaths" but not "deaths due to medical errors".

[dbussone]

Good for you! If the official keeper of death statistics for the U.S. doesn't maintain that data, what does it tell you about the source you quoted?
Signing off!

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Snipped..... Conventional wisdom says: Don't change the requirements for a medical degree. But consider the following:
800,000 deaths per year are caused by conventional medicine. It's the leading cause of death and injury in the U.S. (Source: "Death By Medicine", Copyright 2010)

Is this the "Death by Medicine" book written by Gary Null PHD, who subsequently wrote 30 controversial books? And then he became an American Talk Show Host who has marketed a variety of supplemental products over the years?
If so, please view the Quack-watch Report here:
A Critical Look at Gary Null's Activities and Credentials
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Surely you give credence to some of dbussones's and Zonerboy's comments and opinions .... (I apologize, some are posted out of order...)

Originally Posted by dbussone

The Flexner Report about 80 years ago did that very job, and changed medical education significantly. The AAMC has followed up on a frequent basis and keeps up with the times. It is working!

The Daily Sun is not an expert on medical education ...despite the fact that I enjoy it and read it everyday.

Originally Posted by dbussone

P.S. your response makes it appear as though those deaths are singularly assignable to physicians. Not accurate. You need to include hospitals, surgical centers, RNs, LPNs, PAs, EMTs, Paramedics, and everyone else involved in "conventional medicine". Your assertion is not assignable solely to physicians.

Originally Posted by zonerboy

Try to understand biochemistry if you have skipped organic chemistry. Some posters seem to be severely limited in the logic department. Maybe they'd be good candidates for the fast track medical school concept.

Originally Posted by Villages PL

The link you provided has a classification for "accidental deaths" but not "deaths due to medical errors".

Originally Posted by dbussone

Good for you! If the official keeper of death statistics for the U.S. doesn't maintain that data, what does it tell you about the source you quoted?

Originally Posted by dbussone

The CDC is the official repository for morbidity and mortality data for our country. ( And for many other vital statistics not associated with "disease.") The link which follows will take you to their official publication on the multiple causes of death for 2010:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr62/nvsr62_06.pdf.

Enjoy!

Originally Posted by dbussone

The buck doesn't stop at the doctors desk in all cases. Your data is spurious-you quote a number that is more than twice what the CDC reports. And your average doc is not an expert because he/she writes a column that supports what you wish to say. Do you watch Dr Oz everyday and practice what he preaches?

Originally Posted by dbussone

It appears you neglected to read/consider data provided by a previous poster. perhaps because it didn't support your position?


CONTENT/OBJECTIVES: No recent national studies have been published on age at death and causes of death for U.S. physicians, and previous studies have had sampling limitations. Physician morbidity and mortality are of interest for several reasons, including the fact that physicians' personal health habits may affect their patient counseling practices.
METHODS:
Data in this report are from the National Occupational Mortality Surveillance database and are derived from deaths occurring in 28 states between 1984 and 1995. Occupation is coded according to the U.S. Bureau of the Census classification system, and cause of death is coded according to the ninth revision of the International Classification of Diseases.
RESULTS:
Among both U.S. white and black men, physicians were, on average, older when they died, (73.0 years for white and 68.7 for black) than were lawyers (72.3 and 62.0), all examined professionals (70.9 and 65.3), and all men (70.3 and 63.6). The top ten causes of death for white male physicians were essentially the same as those of the general population, although they were more likely to die from cerebrovascular disease, accidents, and suicide, and less likely to die from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, pneumonia/influenza, or liver disease than were other professional white men.
CONCLUSIONS:
These findings should help to erase the myth of the unhealthy doctor. At least for men, mortality outcomes suggest that physicians make healthy personal choices.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

(snipped)
Surely you give credence to some of dbussones's and Zonerboy's comments and opinions .... (I apologize, some are posted out of order...)

Thank you for gathering all the credible responses to the OP in one spot. Even if OP chooses to refute these, not give them consideration or credibility, or blithely dismises them on the basis of a few short cherry-picked sentences taken out of context, the rest of us can see their validity.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

If it's working, why are there 800,000 deaths per year. Basically, doctors are in charge of medical care, not EMTs, PAs nurses or hospitals, etc. (The buck stops at the doctor's desk.)

My response;You must accept that people die. Either if they get old wear out, or they meet with disease or an accident.


The column wasn't written by the daily sun, it was written by a medical doctor.

Not all things published in print journalism or anyplace can be taken at face value. We gain so much background information from new sources such as television and the internet. I think VPL that it is time for you to buy a television and contract for internet services. You will gain up to date information and misinformation 24/7.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Give me an example.





The Center for Disease Control (CDC) is usually about disease. Many of these 800,000 yearly deaths are not due to disease.




And, likewise, he's not wrong just because he doesn't support what you wish to say.

I don't watch television. Although, I have one of his books that I bought in the library's used book room for a dollar.

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

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Is this the "Death by Medicine" book written by Gary Null PHD, who subsequently wrote 30 controversial books? And then he became an American Talk Show Host who has marketed a variety of supplemental products over the years?
If so, please view the Quack-watch Report here:
A Critical Look at Gary Null's Activities and Credentials
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Surely you give credence to some of dbussones's and Zonerboy's comments and opinions .... (I apologize, some are posted out of order...)

bump

[graciegirl]

PLease read back several posts before my bunch of posts. Barefoot make an excellent summary and I was unable to copy it. It is far more to the point than mine.