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Scorpyo 06-16-2020 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by am.zinger@aol.com (Post 1785243)
The earth is flat! 400 B.C.

coffeebean 06-16-2020 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by scottvs1961 (Post 1785037)
Let’s put this in some perspective in a more simple way to understand it. Sorry if this is crude but want to get the point across.

If you and I are both standing naked and I turn toward you and urinate you are going to get wet. If you put on clothes and I urinate you will still get wet but not near as much as when you were naked. If I put on clothes most will be stopped by my clothes but some might still get out and if you’re naked and too close you could still get wet. If we both have clothes on you will not get wet.

Once again, just trying to give a little perspective. It is totally incorrect to say masks do not provide protection. The more of us who wear them the better protection for everyone.
Not only will protection be provided if more people wear masks, we can slow the spread of the virus. The more the population slows the spread of the virus, the sooner we can open the economy and do it more safely. We need to be diligent until a effective vaccine can provide all of us with herd immunity.

Curtisbwp 06-16-2020 10:40 AM
Masks
 
Hmm. Does that mean that all of the peaceful protesters with molontov cocktails, bricks, bats and guns will all die for not wareing masks?

coffeebean 06-16-2020 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by erojohn (Post 1785094)
Masks help the looters remain anonymous. Simple. I CANT BREATHE 🤔 take off the mask. Problem solved.
Oh I’m putting up a chain link fence to keep the mosquitoes out.
With the amount of information, scientific or just plain common sense that is out there, I can see you with your hands over your eyes and ears shouting, "la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la~~~~~~~. This must be the reason you JUST DON'T GET IT!

coffeebean 06-16-2020 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Utrix53 (Post 1785099)
I did read your article Coffeebean and thank you. Why these people don't want to do their share in slowing the spread of this deadly virus is beyond me. And the commend about breathing your own nitrogen (oxide) really gave me a laugh. Grow up people, listen to the scientists and help save a few lives. One could be yours.
You are very welcome.

Byte1 06-16-2020 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Curtisbwp (Post 1785316)
Hmm. Does that mean that all of the peaceful protesters with molontov cocktails, bricks, bats and guns will all die for not wareing masks?
One can only hope.:a040:

coffeebean 06-16-2020 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life (Post 1785114)
Masks do not stop vapors pure and simple, they are political statements and nothing more..
From every bit of information we have received as a population, I have learned that the virus is propelled into the air by droplets from a person's nose or mouth, not vapors. Do you have a link that states the virus is transmitted via vapors? Please provide it. I just may learn something new today. Thanks.

Brynnie 06-16-2020 11:06 AM
Source Control
 
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Originally Posted by Dayeight99 (Post 1784906)
No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.
You missed the point of the article. It’s about source control. The study showed that if a person wears a mask, the droplets from talking, coughing, and sneezing aren’t easily transmitted to others. So if everyone wore masks, the virus would be stopped AT THE SOURCE, and would never make it to other people’s masks for incoming penetration.

coffeebean 06-16-2020 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by am.zinger@aol.com (Post 1785231)
Dr. Fauci says no... video
YouTube
Just tried to view the video but the video is unavailable. I would bet this video is from early on in the pandemic. That is old news and information. Dr. Fauci advocates mask wearing now.

Read this entire article and you will see it debunks what you said.........

Did Anthony Fauci Say People No Longer Need to Wear Masks?

coffeebean 06-16-2020 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by am.zinger@aol.com (Post 1785243)
You linked a video from MARCH 8th. Oh, my goodness. Have you been in hibernation for more than three months? Information on this virus changes nearly on a daily basis. PAY ATTENTION to what is going on around you, for crying out loud.

nututv 06-16-2020 11:20 AM
With the amount of information that is out on the subject of wearing a mask or not, does the subject need to be regurgitated again and again... and again? Minds aren't going to be changed at this point I don't believe. It's just another internet squabble that in the end wont change a thing but create more division among people. Don't we have enough of that already?

coffeebean 06-16-2020 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by scottvs1961 (Post 1785297)
While I am sure I will not be allowed to post a link since I am a newbie here. Hopefully you can copy and paste this into a browser.

This is a recent research article on the transmission of the COVID-19 virus.

Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19 | PNAS
I must admit, I did not read the entire research article. I did, however, jump to "The Conclusions". Here is an excerpt from "The Conclusions".This is worth the read..........

We conclude that wearing of face masks in public corresponds to the most effective means to prevent interhuman transmission, and this inexpensive practice, in conjunction with extensive testing, quarantine, and contact tracking, poses the most probable fighting opportunity to stop the COVID-19 pandemic, prior to the development of a vaccine. It is also important to emphasize that sound science should be effectively communicated to policy makers and should constitute the prime foundation in decision-making amid this pandemic. Implementing policies without a scientific basis could lead to catastrophic consequences, particularly in light of attempts to reopen the economy in many countries. Clearly, integration between science and policy is crucial to formulation of effective emergency responses by policy makers and preparedness by the public for the current and future public health pandemics.

SUENRAN 06-16-2020 11:30 AM
Opinion? Let's look at Facts
 
You may want to see what OSHA has to say. OSHA Standard 29CFR1910.134. Having been in the first responder for most of my life, I'll continue wearing my N-95!

jimjamuser 06-16-2020 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by nututv (Post 1785360)
With the amount of information that is out on the subject of wearing a mask or not, does the subject need to be regurgitated again and again... and again? Minds aren't going to be changed at this point I don't believe. It's just another internet squabble that in the end wont change a thing but create more division among people. Don't we have enough of that already?
Science changes when necessary. Public minds stay calcified for very long.

nututv 06-16-2020 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1785384)
Science changes when necessary. Public minds stay calcified for very long.
In the current state of things, even science is difficult to define.

coffeebean 06-16-2020 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by nututv (Post 1785360)
With the amount of information that is out on the subject of wearing a mask or not, does the subject need to be regurgitated again and again... and again? Minds aren't going to be changed at this point I don't believe. It's just another internet squabble that in the end wont change a thing but create more division among people. Don't we have enough of that already?
IMHO, yes it most certainly does. Seems there are too many people who either deny or are just not informed of the science of mask wearing. More and more information is available now than when this pandemic first arrived in America.

matandch 06-16-2020 12:08 PM
My gut tells me that me I f we stay on the current path, there will be 20,000-30,000 cases in TV by next April with 700-1000 deaths.

nututv 06-16-2020 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1785393)
IMHO, yes it most certainly does. Seems there are too many people who either deny or are just not informed of the science of mask wearing. More and more information is available now than when this pandemic first arrived in America.
Like overeating, wearing seat belts and abusing drugs? Those have been preached now for how many decades? Obesity is at an all time high, tickets are still being written and are a major source of income for the police and the drug problem is worse than it's ever been.
Seems repeating the message isn't working so well. I don't know what the answer is but I know what isn't working.

ffresh 06-16-2020 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by nututv (Post 1785220)
A funny thread really. Everything from the sky is falling to no way. I'm on more of the no way side. Masks, lock-downs, groups being unlawful... (unless you're protesting of course). It's all just a social experiment in controlling.
'Mask shamers' (yeah, that's a term now)
I was told I was taking chances not wearing a mask a few weeks back by a lady that had to be 100 lb overweight. She nearly screamed at my reply, I'll bet she hasn't 'shamed' since. lol
I'm in my early 60's, I'm active, very fit and haven't so much as had a cold in years. In the past 15 days, I've paddled probably 100 miles and cycled probably 60. I would have done much more but the afternoon storms keep me in more than I'd like.
The obesity rate in America is at 40 percent. An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are caused by it. If you have a 'condition' due to your being too fat (diabetes etc.) that has put you at risk of getting the flu... hey wait a minute, you mean you've been ignoring your body for decades but now it's my responsibility to keep you healthy? haha No!
I can guarantee everyone here is going to die of something. You can sit there and put blame on someone else or just man up and put blame on yourself.
Life is like a sail. You can hang around that mast until you dry rot or you can go out in tatters, shredded from the winds. I prefer the windy ocean thank you.
And on a side note. I've handled far too many masks and blue gloves these past few months myself. From parking lots, to trails, beaches and even one probably a mile out in the gulf.
I don't know if I'm the first, but permit me to congratulate you on an EXCELLENT post - one of the best I've read (and I've read many) :clap2::clap2:

Fred

ffresh 06-16-2020 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by matandch (Post 1785226)
Just you wait and see!
OK, you've piqued my curiosity … see what? :shocked:

Fred

nututv 06-16-2020 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ffresh (Post 1785413)
I don't know if I'm the first, but permit me to congratulate you on an EXCELLENT post - one of the best I've read (and I've read many) :clap2::clap2:

Fred
haha. My posts (and myself) have been called many things. Never excellent. Thanks, I appreciate it.

donassaid 06-16-2020 01:48 PM
The ONLY people who should be wearing masks are those who know they have the virus. Wearing a mask will not keep you from getting the virus but can cause a myriad of problems by breathing in your own carbon dioxide, including a weakened immune system as well as pleurisy. Since the virus can only survive 90 seconds in hear and humidity, it is ridiculous to wear a mask outside. But wear one if you like. Just don't try to force others to do the same.

Slapnut 06-16-2020 02:20 PM
The problem with wearing them is that you are constantly breathing your own nitrogen which disrupts your pH balance in the body. You're not getting the amount of oxygen to your brain that you normally do. It's going to be too late when people start having problems due to misconceptions about needing to wear these useless masks. Ask any doctor or nurse.

ColdNoMore 06-16-2020 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Slapnut (Post 1785483)
The problem with wearing them is that you are constantly breathing your own nitrogen which disrupts your pH balance in the body. You're not getting the amount of oxygen to your brain that you normally do. It's going to be too late when people start having problems due to misconceptions about needing to wear these useless masks. Ask any doctor or nurse.

I (as I'm sure many others) would be very interested, given that doctors and nurses wear masks all day these days, in a legitimate/scientific link...that proves your assertion(s). :popcorn:

nututv 06-16-2020 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1785508)

I (as I'm sure many others) would be very interested, given that doctors and nurses wear masks all day these days, in a legitimate/scientific link...that proves your assertion(s). :popcorn:
Look up shallow breathing/breathers. I am one, it's an issue that I have to see a professional for monthly. It's a real thing and mine is not caused by any diseases (well not completely anyway), simply the way my body works... or doesn't I should say.

Dayeight99 06-16-2020 04:50 PM
So, when will you remove the mask? Ever? This fall there will be a seasonal flu and guess what? It’s contagious. What are you and all the Lemmings going to do? Where your mask forever?

nututv 06-16-2020 04:55 PM
If they had masks that said Titleist or Gucci many would probably sleep with them on. lol

jimjamuser 06-16-2020 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by nututv (Post 1785389)
In the current state of things, even science is difficult to define.
Science constantly builds on its base of knowledge. Hypothesis proven, begets new hypothesis, thus expanding the frontier of knowledge. Science is as close as you get to mathematics, which is as close as you get to absolute, irrefutable knowledge.

jimjamuser 06-16-2020 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by nututv (Post 1785402)
Like overeating, wearing seat belts and abusing drugs? Those have been preached now for how many decades? Obesity is at an all time high, tickets are still being written and are a major source of income for the police and the drug problem is worse than it's ever been.
Seems repeating the message isn't working so well. I don't know what the answer is but I know what isn't working.
Difficult to knock or dismiss the lifesaving qualities of seat belts. Not having basic regulations is like having anarchy. Even the wild-west had traditions, social limitations, and even sheriffs.

jimjamuser 06-16-2020 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ffresh (Post 1785413)
I don't know if I'm the first, but permit me to congratulate you on an EXCELLENT post - one of the best I've read (and I've read many) :clap2::clap2:

Fred
Thank you for your service in picking up litter. Cleanliness is next to Godliness.

jimjamuser 06-16-2020 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Slapnut (Post 1785483)
The problem with wearing them is that you are constantly breathing your own nitrogen which disrupts your pH balance in the body. You're not getting the amount of oxygen to your brain that you normally do. It's going to be too late when people start having problems due to misconceptions about needing to wear these useless masks. Ask any doctor or nurse.
I don't think so.

coffeebean 06-16-2020 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by nututv (Post 1785402)
Like overeating, wearing seat belts and abusing drugs? Those have been preached now for how many decades? Obesity is at an all time high, tickets are still being written and are a major source of income for the police and the drug problem is worse than it's ever been.
Seems repeating the message isn't working so well. I don't know what the answer is but I know what isn't working.
I feel like the little engine that could. I just keep trying.

coffeebean 06-16-2020 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Slapnut (Post 1785483)
The problem with wearing them is that you are constantly breathing your own nitrogen which disrupts your pH balance in the body. You're not getting the amount of oxygen to your brain that you normally do. It's going to be too late when people start having problems due to misconceptions about needing to wear these useless masks. Ask any doctor or nurse.
I haven't heard of any surgeons keeling over in operating rooms after wearing masks for hours on end without a break. Have you?

TNLAKEPANDA 06-16-2020 06:35 PM
For all the time that I have been Luanda around people like in grocery shopping etc I have yet to see anyone sneeze or even cough 😷. That is really the only thing that wearing a mask helps with.

Wear one or not is your choice.

Dayeight99 06-16-2020 07:11 PM
Ok. So we’ll just wear them everyday forever. Just like underwear. Got it.

Velvet 06-16-2020 07:18 PM
Hubby’s friend stops by the house. He has a mask hanging on the front of his scooter. He leaves it there. Then he wonders why is he not invited in?

Dayeight99 06-16-2020 07:30 PM
Wake up.

ColdNoMore 06-16-2020 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1785595)
Hubby’s friend stops by the house. He has a mask hanging on the front of his scooter. He leaves it there. Then he wonders why is he not invited in?
Seriously? :oops:

Ritabob 06-16-2020 07:44 PM
No matter what power a governor thinks he or she has, you can’t force people to wear masks. It would have to be passed in the state congress as a law. Secondly, it’s impossible to enforce.

Villagerjjm 06-16-2020 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dayeight99 (Post 1784906)
No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.
Show proof please!


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