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Cliff Fr 12-21-2023 08:40 AM
A co-worker was telling me the other day that several of her relatives caught the latest strain. This is after they all had been vaccinated with the latest covid vaccine.

TeresaE 12-21-2023 08:42 AM
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Covid tests miss as many times as they pop positive. So if you’re sick, assume you’re contagious with whatever (Covid, Influenza, the crud), skip the test, stay home or go to the doctor and get meds if warranted and leave the rest of us to live our lives in peace And get that mask off your face, especially outside. All those do is collect germs for you to breathe back in.

golfing eagles 12-21-2023 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Cliff Fr (Post 2284218)
A co-worker was telling me the other day that several of her relatives caught the latest strain. This is after they all had been vaccinated with the latest covid vaccine.
And my barber's girlfriend's cousin's dog walker's plumber said the opposite :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Oneiric 12-21-2023 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2284044)
No stupid judgment, please. Just assume I look better with the mask on, and let it go at that. As for the vaccine, one of my hobbies is getting poked with needles. Acupuncture is fun! Gimme the shot.
Not all is straightforward in life. I got AFIB from a COVID vaccine, not the virus.
One time ablation was needed for resolution.

coconutmama 12-21-2023 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2284202)
I'm in Europe at this moment. Nobody is dying, no masks, nobody coughing and hacking, everything normal.

People get sick all the time. Every cough and cold is not Covid.

How can you be sure a cough is not Covid? Check the date. It's only December. The primaries are still months away!
Our friends flew back from Ireland in September. Picked up Covid on the way home. How do they know? Timeline. Tested. Not a cold or flu. Was Covid.

We returned via Miami airport 2 weeks ago. We came down with Covid 2-3 days later. How do we know we got it on the plane? The man seated next to us was obviously ill. We are now doing ok. But husband still has some taste & minor breathing issues. Glad we had our vaccines as we firmly believe that helps keep symptoms mild.

Has nothing to do with politics but the hard heads will claim that is so. Believe what you want but take precautions if you can, especially in our age group or if you have health issues. Just common sense.

jrref 12-21-2023 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Bugface (Post 2284185)
The purpose of the test is to not only discover whether you have Covid, but to also find out if you are still contagious. You can still be contagious after you are symptom free. This protects others from getting Covid. I know a number of people who have died from Covid as well as many who suffer debilitating long term effects that have seriously impacted their quality of life. Having survived both cancer and an autoimmune condition, I appreciate every day of good health!
This is what most people don't realize. Because many just get mild symptoms we forget those many who either have bad symptoms and long term illness or even die from Covid. We know people who had a mild case of Covid the first time then died the second time. I hear many stories of people who have a mild case of Covid and still go out and do their normal business spreading it to everyone. But as you mentioned, if you don't test your symptoms could go away but you are still contagous and spreading it to people you come in contact with and this is the big problem. The people who don't take Covid seriously are not going to be satisfied until we all start dying from it again and hopefully that doesn't happen.

ElDiabloJoe 12-21-2023 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by defrey12 (Post 2284187)
YAY! Someone with a brain…who isn’t afraid to use it.
I know I'm not the brightest - I have met people who floor me with their brilliance, but my brain was at least enough to get a Mensa membership some years ago.

SHIBUMI 12-21-2023 08:56 AM
Covid
 
This is a popular opinion of those who didn't die. Those that did might argue the fact. Play it safe get a shot......in this way your opinion will continue to get heard.................govt. still provides 4 free covid tests...........dont blame them for your negligence...........protect yourself.......


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Originally Posted by Cindyd (Post 2284145)
Yes, people died of covid, but let's look at data. As a percentage of pop, Covid deaths were .03% of US population. Under age 40, as a percent of pop under 40, covid deaths were 0%. Yet, we locked kids out of schools for months/years? Healthy pro0le, who obviously had immunity, lost their jobs? Yes, every life is precious, but it's important to look at facts vs hysteria.

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023 | Statista

Caymus 12-21-2023 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2284229)
I know I'm not the brightest - I have met people who floor me with their brilliance, but my brain was at least enough to get a Mensa membership some years ago.
How much? I can get a MENSA Certificate online for $12.:jester:

Member Certificate - Layout 1

fdpaq0580 12-21-2023 08:59 AM
And, wash your hands, often.

Pennyt 12-21-2023 08:59 AM
Sitting in a hospice unit now. Nurses advised they are now being advised they have to accept Covid patients. One came in yesterday and passed away the same day. Some people get over it easily but some don't. I'll wear a n94 mask and take the vaccine. As we age the risk rises. True of the flu AND true of COVID. I don't want to risk my life knowing I didn't do whatever I could. So if I'm in a crowded situation I'll protect myself. If I have any symptoms I will stay home.

airstreamingypsy 12-21-2023 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 2284007)
This new Covid19 varriant is now upon us. If your suddenly come down with that cough, congestion and chills you probably have it. Get tested asap so you can help others avoid it. Walgreens has the inside test for $19.00. You get results in less then one hour.
My wife and I got Covid on the plane trip back from Europe. Hit us hard once we got back home. We are fortunate we didn't get it when we were on our trip over there. Much easier to deal with it back in our own home! Take care.
I'm sorry, you got it, but do you think going inside Walgreens is a good idea? That's how you spread it....... I can't imagine going inside a store risking everyone in there.

Velvet 12-21-2023 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Cliff Fr (Post 2284218)
A co-worker was telling me the other day that several of her relatives caught the latest strain. This is after they all had been vaccinated with the latest covid vaccine.
I believe you. The vaccine is not supposed to prevent you from getting Covid (in my understanding) but to prevent you from dying and to allow you quality of life afterwards.

Topspinmo 12-21-2023 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2284102)
Huh? We know 2 people who died. They were on vents for a month then suffocated. I worked in a hospital and watched many die. I've cared for patients with every outbreak of the Flu and a few would die- but Covid killed millions. Do you even understand that you have NO real world experience to base your opinion on? It is an opinion only spun up in the web of your head by allowing in only information that suited your agenda. There is a real world out there, with people who are on the front lines. They are the ones who have the facts- not conspiracy theorist waving signs. What would it hurt to ask for facts from people who work hands on with this disease? Why is it so important to you to believe and tell a lie?

So how do you feel about it was created in lab?

Velvet 12-21-2023 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 2284246)
Oh look another humbug person just what we need . You must be in need of attention .
Your reply to people who our sick showing no compassion says a lot . The poor people caught Covid and were sick . I feel sorry and embarrassed by you .
Fear and denial is a typical ostrich head-in-the-sand response. It is a visceral response and no amount of logic (or shaming) is going to help.

Marine1974 12-21-2023 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2284168)
Only response I can come up with is who cares?
Majority of people who are decent compassionate people who care
about others , care . Hope you don’t get Covid and have others say “who cares “.

Pegasusprt 12-21-2023 09:19 AM
It's so easy to fool people, but it's almost impossible to convince them that they have been fooled.

Marine1974 12-21-2023 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 2284190)
It always puzzles me why some people feel the need to make such a comment. The people who do care will comment, the ones who don't care will scroll on by like they usually do. I guess condescension comes naturally to some people and feeds their tiny ego.
Well said , if they are not capable of having compassion for their fellow man you wonder what kind of life they lead . Sad

Whitley 12-21-2023 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2284102)
Huh? We know 2 people who died. They were on vents for a month then suffocated. I worked in a hospital and watched many die. I've cared for patients with every outbreak of the Flu and a few would die- but Covid killed millions. Do you even understand that you have NO real world experience to base your opinion on? It is an opinion only spun up in the web of your head by allowing in only information that suited your agenda. There is a real world out there, with people who are on the front lines. They are the ones who have the facts- not conspiracy theorist waving signs. What would it hurt to ask for facts from people who work hands on with this disease? Why is it so important to you to believe and tell a lie?
Many people feel those who believe as you do are gullible and spreading lies. You want the shot, get it. Others do not want it, they shouldn't get it. Be kind to others, life can be very hard for all of us at times.

DPWM21 12-21-2023 09:50 AM
Agree. It’s a ‘me’ culture too often.

mikeycereal 12-21-2023 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2284102)
Huh? We know 2 people who died. They were on vents for a month then suffocated. I worked in a hospital and watched many die. I've cared for patients with every outbreak of the Flu and a few would die- but Covid killed millions. Do you even understand that you have NO real world experience to base your opinion on? It is an opinion only spun up in the web of your head by allowing in only information that suited your agenda. There is a real world out there, with people who are on the front lines. They are the ones who have the facts- not conspiracy theorist waving signs. What would it hurt to ask for facts from people who work hands on with this disease? Why is it so important to you to believe and tell a lie?
Awesome post, thank you. :clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

It's sad that people would rather watch bloggers ranting and raving about something they have no experience in and then choose to follow the lies. A vaccine thread always turns silly so I love to see the straight truth told.

mikeycereal 12-21-2023 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2284280)
Many people feel those who believe as you do are gullible and spreading lies. You want the shot, get it. Others do not want it, they shouldn't get it. Be kind to others, life can be very hard for all of us at times.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Lottoguy 12-21-2023 10:00 AM
Start getting chills on the plane from Iceland and then developed the cough on our stop in Boston. Probably got it in Scotland where we stayed for one week. We were there for a funeral.

kendi 12-21-2023 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 2284246)
Oh look another humbug person just what we need . You must be in need of attention .
Your reply to people who our sick showing no compassion says a lot . The poor people caught Covid and were sick . I feel sorry and embarrassed by you .
Hmmm 🤔. The person is simply stating their perspective on how the virus manifests in society. I don’t see anything in that post indicating they do not feel compassion for those who who get sick and/or die. Or for their families.

Lottoguy 12-21-2023 10:09 AM
In my post I told you I tested postive. Walgreens has the less then one hour result for $19.00.

Lottoguy 12-21-2023 10:17 AM
I followed the procedure that Walgreens tells you when you make the appointment for the test. I did wear a MASK when I entered the store and also while waiting to get tested. The drive thru is not used for testing like it was two years ago when you needed a negative result in order to take a cruise.

Velvet 12-21-2023 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 2284298)
I followed the procedure that Walgreens tells you when you make the appointment for the test. I did wear a MASK when I entered the store and also while waiting to get tested. The drive thru is not used for testing like it was two years ago when you needed a negative result in order to take a cruise.
Well of course you did! How do you know if you have Covid if you do not get tested? Also it is recommended to start treatment as early as possible for it to be most effective. So you did the most logical thing. Now for people who do not believe in Covid or think it was made up by big Pharma in the first place, I understand that they can’t see why you did it.

Whitley 12-21-2023 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 2284163)
Well said. If I could find the clapping smilies, you would have had at least 3 of them.
Many doctors with "real world experience" as well as health departments of other countries have arrived at different conclusions concerning the shot and it's safety. In the US, health officials recommend that everyone over the age of 6 months receives the latest annual covid-19 vaccine, while the UK and other European countries are restricting it to older or vulnerable people. I would propose all reconsider their attitude and treatment of others who disagree with you.

Snprentice 12-21-2023 10:45 AM
So true

Pachine58 12-21-2023 10:49 AM
Start eating carnivore and build your immunity. Plus all the other great benefits of a carnivore lifestyle. It’s like turning back time.

Velvet 12-21-2023 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Pachine58 (Post 2284307)
Start eating carnivore and build your immunity. Plus all the other great benefits of a carnivore lifestyle. It’s like turning back time.
When life expectancy was 33 years old? Heck, they didn’t even need a 55 plus retirement community!

fdpaq0580 12-21-2023 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Pegasusprt (Post 2284265)
It's so easy to fool people, but it's almost impossible to convince them that they have been fooled.
You show wisdom.

Hifred 12-21-2023 11:09 AM
Afib
 
Sorry to hear you have afib. Hope your ablation went well. Afib is rare after a covid vaccination. A total of 2611 events of AF were reported after COVID-19 vaccination, of which, 315 were new-onset AF. As of January 7, 2022, a total of 523.12 million COVID-19 vaccine doses were administered, making the incidence of atrial fibrillation around 5 per million COVID-19 vaccine doses administered.

fdpaq0580 12-21-2023 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Pennyt (Post 2284238)
Sitting in a hospice unit now. Nurses advised they are now being advised they have to accept Covid patients. One came in yesterday and passed away the same day. Some people get over it easily but some don't. I'll wear a n94 mask and take the vaccine. As we age the risk rises. True of the flu AND true of COVID. I don't want to risk my life knowing I didn't do whatever I could. So if I'm in a crowded situation I'll protect myself. If I have any symptoms I will stay home.
Good, reasonable, rational advice for one and all. Thanks, Penny

manaboutown 12-21-2023 11:30 AM
Got my booster yesterday. Several people I knew died from Covid. Others now suffer from Long Covid.

fdpaq0580 12-21-2023 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by kendi (Post 2284293)
Hmmm 🤔. The person is simply stating their perspective on how the virus manifests in society. I don’t see anything in that post indicating they do not feel compassion for those who who get sick and/or die. Or for their families.
Respectfully disagree. Marine1974 response was to Eldiablo whose whole first paragraph was ridiculing folks who actually take their health and efforts to protect it seriously. To me, that indicates lack of compassion.
Read both again and see if you come away with a different opinion.

fdpaq0580 12-21-2023 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2284317)
Got my booster yesterday. Several people I knew died from Covid. Others now suffer from Long Covid.
You are a smartmanaboutown!

Whitley 12-21-2023 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bugface (Post 2284209)
Unfortunately the purpose of that guidance was to keep the economy running and people working. It usually takes twice that length of time to not be contagious and the only way to know for sure is to test.
Those who are at risk need to take precautions. Since they took some parts I was fond of many years back (including part of my lung), I do what I must to be as safe as possible. I would never ask to shut down the economy for me and those with issues such as I have. There should be no arguing, name calling, insulting each other. Take care of yourself. If you think a mask helps, go for it. Same with the shot.

fdpaq0580 12-21-2023 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pachine58 (Post 2284307)
Start eating carnivore and build your immunity. Plus all the other great benefits of a carnivore lifestyle. It’s like turning back time.
Eat what you like. I prefer omnivore. Hope you won't mind.

frayedends 12-21-2023 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2284244)
I believe you. The vaccine is not supposed to prevent you from getting Covid (in my understanding) but to prevent you from dying and to allow you quality of life afterwards.
You know when they started saying it's not meant to prevent you from getting Covid? After they found out it doesn't prevent you from getting Covid. I had a lot of friends lose their career over not getting a vaccine that, ultimately, was found to not prevent infection nor transmission.

Being someone with a bit of biology background, I'd also argue that it has become less virulent as a normal evolutionary trait of viruses, rather than vaccines having any effect. I know a few unvaccinated that have gotten Covid recently and their symptoms were about the same as vaccinated.


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