I reversed my Type 2 pre-diabetes. I corrected my hypertension. I corrected my high cholesterol. All from keto/carnivore diet. When life expectency was 33 they didn't die from heart disease. They got eaten by lions and died from infections, or other non cardiac events.

Excellent Attitude. I fail to see how anyone could criticize you for your view. My doctors and I decided against the shot, you decide to get it, God Bless. Stay Safe and be happy.

Rich, my business partner died at 58. Never had a heart issue prior to the covid shots and every booster that came out. He was fanatical about being first in line to get every shot available. Cardiologist saw some previously undiagnosed issue and scheduled him for an outpatient test. His wife was out of state so I went with him to the hosp. He never came out. Not alive. Saying "stay safe avoid the shot" would be as dishonest as saying "stay safe everyone get the shot". Take your specific variables into account and make your own choice.

You corrected high cholesterol on a red meat diet? You a super human!

And He also created us with the ability to think, to research, to help each other….

True words. Much easier on the ego to seek out allies for your particular point of view than to admit to being bamboozled.

Extending that out a bit...what good does it do, really, to publicly cling to your fears no matter what? Of course COVID is real. So is chlamydia, leprosy, diabetes, flu, Alzheimer's, etc. etc. The best thing to do in all cases is to adopt a dispassionate approach, take common-sense precautions and go on with your life so far as you are able. Who really cares if everyone else agrees with you? But just from my own experience: I've seen a guy at Costco in Altamonte Springs go into screaming hysterics at the sight of another customer whose mask had slipped down below is nose, another guy at a supermarket back in Minnesota loudly and publicly berate the store manager for not completely sanitizing every grocery cart prior to it's next use, one guy in a foursome we were in long after mask-wearing became optional becoming upset because we were not wearing masks and he was, etc. etc. My daughter (a nurse in St. Paul, MN) knows several people who a couple of years back got themselves tested almost daily at medical facilities in the area (which were consequently so backed up with The Fearful that people who really did need medical help had to wait, sometimes to their significant detriment). But the one that most sticks in my mind was a guy I encountered at a driving range in May 2020. He had his son with him and they were going to hit some balls. The guy's son remained in the car while the guy, wearing a mask of course, went to the owner and demanded a spot on the range as far away from other patrons as possible. Not a problem because there were only a couple of other folks there, but until the guy got his wish his son remained in the car, and then both stayed as far away from other patrons as they could. I knew the owner and mentioned that it was kind of odd. The owner, who apparently knew the guy, said that that incident was nothing: the guy had kept his family basically sealed in their house since I believe February, doing all the shopping, providing homeschooling for the kids, etc. etc. The outing with his son was the first time the kid had been allowed out of the house in months.

I've often wondered if fear of COVID is/was at least as destructive, if not more so, than COVID itself. And people who are looking for allies to validate their own fear certainly aren't helping much.

Excellent post. The fear & anxiety in society was debilitating. I was sincerely hoping it was all over, for good. (At least for this time).

Go for it. Wear your mask and get shot #10. Covid is much like the flu and it’s not going anywhere. Hope the OP gets over it quickly.

Choose the topic and you'll find the same reaction from MANY people. They cannot conceive of the possibility that they could be wrong :ohdear:

Fred

I am not super human. Meat is not the problem. You must be living on old news. Sugar and carbs are the cause of most all our woes.

Your anecdotal claim is almost worthless just like every other person who espouses an opinion about a particular diet. That is why they do studies.

From the Journal of Cardiovascular Development and Disease
To conclude that animal-product-rich diets are healthy or efficacious in treating CVD would be erroneous based on the aforementioned literature. Additionally, animal-product-rich diets tend to impair vascular function [43,44], increase LDL cholesterol and inflammation compared to an isocaloric unprocessed high-carbohydrate diet [45], and reduce myocardial blood flow compared to a plant-based diet, which had the opposite effect [46]. The Impacts of Animal-Based Diets in Cardiovascular Disease Development: A Cellular and Physiological Overview - PMC

There are truckloads of research validating the long term benefit of whole food plant based diets. Virtually none for the carnivore diet other than short term . But perhaps you can prove me wrong by going to pubmed.gov and finding it.

Watch this debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qDYl4zHmAg where Nina Teicholz (author of The Big Fat Surprise) is destroyed by research. She has virtually no valid credible scientific studies to back it up, just like Atkins.

Actually, I would add a comment that maybe a young person with ZERO debilitating conditions need not wear a mask in public. But, for older people that are not perfectly healthy (that want to continue living) they may choose to wear a mask when indoors around a crowd. On an aircraft with recirculating air seems to be especially dangerous, and boat cruises. And Florida is particularly bad because people from up north coming here can be carrying illness. And, personally, I think that if 80% of the people had gotten the last shot instead of a FRUSTRATINGLY low of 5%, then we might have finished off Covid. Instead, for all we know, it could change to a stronger variety. I wonder if other countries had greater than the US's 5% buy-in to receiving the latest shot?

Actually, there was less flu in past 3 years because people avoided large indoor groups so as NOT to get Covid. And Covid killed off a lot of the people that did NOT believe in ANY shots

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AMEN, sorry for your loss.........enough said

You're 100% correct about the types of people and the locations that would require protection. Unfortunately, the routine masks provide just about zero protection. A good N95 with the proper fit would help, but even that is far from 100% protection

Nice to see some raw truth-telling going on here in this forum.

Is that a reference about those LIONS in the ancient Roman stadiums? They win a lot.

The graph said that 1600 children died, not ZERO. And I think the problem is that they are STILL dying. They are somebodies grandchildren!

What do people get out of rallying against fictional views? I have seen no one say they do not believe in covid. I have never seen anyone say the original covid was created by big pharma. Such an attitude is worse tham jousting with windmills. It is like jousting at unicorns. They do not exist.

Ignoring the Covid problem has NOT make it go away. So, what are we going to do, get 5% of the US population to take their shots FOREVER or will we SOMEDAY wake up and listen to medical experts and make it go away by universal shots?

Interesting, I feel 180 degrees different than that.

It is hard to prove a negative, but for all we know shutting down various things and requiring masks MAY HAVE save 200,000 Americans. It certainly saved some.

And that's ok.

Maybe. The usual paper masks probably did next to nothing.

There was an episode of the Netflix series "The Crown" in which smog was actually killing people in about 1953. The British government essentially declared a "mask mandate" for its citizens. In one scene, a member of the cabinet came into a meeting wearing a mask, and the prime minister told him "Take that ridiculous thing off, it does nothing---we only told the people to wear one so it looked like we were doing something about the smog"

Shutting things down probably had an indirect beneficial effect. The most effective mitigation of the pandemic prior to vaccines was social distancing of 6 feet or more---a closed venue accomplishes that, although with some overkill and deleterious economic impacts.

Hard to pin down a number of "lives saved" by these measures----after all, we have no idea of how many people died of Covid as opposed to with Covid.

My anecdotal evidence and everyone one else doing the diet. These studies like the one you linked always include people continuing to eat a carb loaded diet. But you do you. I fixed all my issues doing keto. I am doing carnivore sort of an elimination diet to figure out some other issues. I was keto when my issues disappeared in like 2 months. I’ve yet to see one person say they did keto or carnivore and had worse issues.

Pubmed sure. See who funds those studies. Usually the sugar industry. As for vegetarian diet, those folks either look deathly skinny and sick (if they stick to Whole Foods) or look morbidly obese because of carbs and sugar. ETA: the article you linked talks about blue zones. That has been shown to be total bunk based on cherry picked data.

I think we can both agree on that Whole Foods (sorry my phone capitalizes that as if they weren’t words before they were a store) with low carbs, low sugar, and low processed foods is the way to go.

It destroyed my son’s last year of high school. He miraculously graduated after having basically flunked everything. Staying home screwed him up mentally. Wearing masks messed him up as well. The anger I have over what they did to kids is still going. I’m in biotech. I’ve been in biotech for 28 years. Not one person in my company save a few far left non science folks think masks do anything at all. Not one. They are scientists creating the drugs of the future. They are quality control and quality assurance people. They are regulatory affairs and contamination control folks. Everyone basically laughs at the idea of paper masks stopping a virus. Yet we messed with people’s mental wellbeing by forcing these mandates. Never again.

I would suggest that the “they” that did anything to kids were the adults arguing that the kids were being negatively affected. The kids learned from the adults that they should be messed up and so they were.

Not sure what company you are in but if they are involved in research, testing, or manufacturing pharmaceuticals and they do NOT wear masks the I want to avoid their products at all costs!

Depending on their research, they may be wearing paper masks----but NOT to filter out viruses---more likely particulates, and even more likely so they don't sneeze/cough/drool into whatever they are working on

LOL you have taken their drugs and their vaccines. But we do not wear masks for virus prevention. We wear masks to prevent BACTERIAL contamination. During the fill finish stage (the most sterile processing step) we wear masks for bacterial contamination for about 30 minutes and we have to leave to the air lock to change the mask because as soon as it is moist it is no longer effective. For viruses we have viral clearance steps that include pH adjustment buffers and filtration. In addition we do a myriad of viral testing on the final drug product.

Technology is getting better and our drug filling machines are now in what we call "isolators". They are sterilized with vaporized H2O2 (dangerous stuff if it gets out). Any human manipulations are done from outside with the big gloves attached to the isolator (picture a filling machine in a bubble like the bubble boy). Here's an example of a company making isolator tech. Cool stuff. ISOLATION TECHNOLOGY: Isolation Solutions for aseptic fill finish lines • IMA Group

Just an FYI this is how EVERY company does it. I know what I'm talking about. Masks for viruses. Nope. So if you want to avoid the drugs from companies that do it my way, simple. You don't need to know my company. They all do it this way.

Jeez next time I'm sick as a dog like I was last week (with COVID) I'll make sure you come over to my house so I can cough in your face. Y'know - so you can take a video and prove that masks do nothing.

For everyone else - I isolated for a few days after testing positive, and called my doctor's office. They said as long as my temperature didn't go above 101 for a day or more, and I didn't experience difficulty breathing, I should just treat the symptoms and not worry about anti-virals or hospitalization. My temp topped off at 100.8 on the second-to-worst day. The worst day was the day after that, when my temp was "only" 99.8. I have a low-normal average temperature of 98.2, so 99.8 is still not good. I'm still coughing, but I don't feel like my 14-pound cat strapped herself to my chest anymore.

I was wearing a mask when I did go out - to protect OTHER people in case I needed to cough.

I was vaccinated the day that I first started noticing I had a headache. But I woke up with the headache, and didn't get vaccinated til mid-afternoon. The next day I was starting to feel sick. The day after that I tested positive.

BTW you can get 4 tests from the government again, free. If you live with another person you can get 8 total for the household.

You already know that's different. The paper mask will help prevent you from spreading the virus to others, but does very little to protect yourself from them.

those folks either look deathly skinny and sick
You mean like Novak Djokovic?
Novak Djokovic's plant-based lifestyle: The dietary secrets behind Wimbledon legend's success | Daily Mail Online

One of the foundations of the Serb's record-breaking success is his plant-based diet, which he has credited with helping to elevate his performance levels.

Whole food carbs such as sweet potatoes and beans are some of the most nutritious food choices on the planet. But yes processed carbs and sugar are bad.
Meat causes insulin insensitivity which is the precursor to diabetes. It is extremely rare for a person on a WFPB diet to have a bad A1C level.

All I know is, there are people who aren't getting vaccinated, and they are going to be carriers. I hope i don't end up sitting next to them at a mah jong table or playing cards. I was sitting next to some fool at pickleball who was bragging about how he had never gotten vaccinated. Seriously? You can bet I won't be sitting next to him on a bench again either.

I got a Covid booster 2 weeks ago. The reason is if I get the virus, I would definitely want it to be a mild case versus getting seriously ill or dying. I have always been susceptible to respiratory issues. Every cold, flu, strep throat, etc. I've ever had has always turned into a bout of Bronchitis. I know the vaccine won't prevent me from catching Covid, I just don't want to be miserably sick. I had Covid once in 2021; mainly sore throat, a cough, and lost sense of smell for a week. I think I felt feverish for 1 day. Yes, I ended up with bronchitis again, but a round of antibiotics knocked that out. So, for me it is worth it. I get my flu shot every year and also had the pneumonia and shingles vax. I protect my health as best I can.
Since the pandemic first started, I have not had a cold or flu. I think the key to that is avoiding crowded public places.

Also, here are a couple of facts about Ivermectin:
Is Ivermectin Approved to Treat COVID-19?
The FDA has NOT approved ivermectin to treat or prevent the illness caused by the coronavirus.

In animals, ivermectin can help prevent heartworm disease and certain parasites.
It’s dangerous for humans to take any drug made for animals, including ivermectin. A dose meant for a big animal like a horse or cow (which can weigh 2,000 pounds or more) can be toxic for a person. Also, some of the inactive ingredients in an animal medication might not be safe for people.

You have introduced an argument that has nothing to do with the fact that Covid has killed millions compared to "Colds" and Flu as some have ignorantly compared it. You introduced this question about the lab in order to take the topic down a silly side street.

I haven't told you what I believe. That is what most others have done. I told you what I experienced in the REAL WORLD on the Front Lines. Your inability to see my daily experience in my detailed comment tells me you will cling to your opinion even in the face of someone holding experiential facts up to your face.

I agree, especially that the social distance of 6 ft was logical and probably saved many lives.

I believe that statistically the thinner a person is the longer they live. I would guess that it is because the heart and other organs can better do their functions.

The vaccine DID accomplish its purpose to prevent the spread and severity of Covid. it was the most successful vaccine in history. Obviously, even the best is not perfect.

They are in a minute minority.