[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

If that was a serious question, the answer is No Thanks.

Oh, come on!

How about this one: Deaths due to hospital bedsores - 34,319 per year. This is from the Mayo Clinic's site.
(Patient Safety in American Hospitals, Health Grades 2004)

[dbussone]

Villages - When dealing with stats from different sources, generally regarding a common topic, one has to be exceptionally careful not to make errant assumptions. In other words it is highly likely that that there is a significant amount of overlap in the data you are suggesting be added together.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Gary Null's book was authored by 4 doctors and has a copyright date of 2010. That's not old. Statistics don't come out every year. The CDC's statistics (2010?) don't come out every year either. You haven't been able to discredit anything in his book. You have only provided some mud-slinging by Stephen Barrett. And now we see that Stephen Barrett, according to the article, has been working as a shake-down artist, suing close to 40 doctors and asking for $100,000 settlements.

So, again, you have nothing concrete, all you have is an attempt by Stephen Barrett to discredit him.

If he had an ounce of decency he would be donating his medical knowledge and skills AND lawsuit settlement monies to treat the working poor who cannot afford their new deductibles of $4000-$5000 before getting any use out of their shiny new insurance plan for which they struggle to pay $250/month or more.

Or he could donate to Ebola vaccine development or direct patient care with ebola or other victims.

"Huckster" is too nice a word for him.

Injured patients or survivors can get the malpractice lawyers to file the suits. State medical boards can discipline the quacks and revoke licensing.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

If he had an ounce of decency he would be donating his medical knowledge and skills AND lawsuit settlement monies to treat the working poor who cannot afford their new deductibles of $4000-$5000 before getting any use out of their shiny new insurance plan for which they struggle to pay $250/month or more.

Or he could donate to Ebola vaccine development or direct patient care with ebola or other victims.

"Huckster" is too nice a word for him.

Injured patients or survivors can get the malpractice lawyers to file the suits. State medical boards can discipline the quacks and revoke licensing.

Interestingly, Dr Hull is not a physician. His PhD is questionable (not my words). I concur with your sentiment.

Read more at the following link:

http://lee-phillips.org/null/phd.html

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Want more? I'm just getting started.

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

If that was a serious question, the answer is No Thanks.

Originally Posted by dbussone

When dealing with stats from different sources, ...... it is highly likely that that there is a significant amount of overlap in the data you are suggesting be added together.

Exactly. I'm wary of the specious statistics that have been quoted on this topic.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Villages - When dealing with stats from different sources, generally regarding a common topic, one has to be exceptionally careful not to make errant assumptions. In other words it is highly likely that that there is a significant amount of overlap in the data you are suggesting be added together.

How do you know it's highly likely that there's a significant amount of overlap? Now who's making assumptions?

Here are some of the categories:

Hospital Adverse Drug Reaction

Hospital Medical Error

Hospital Bedsores

Hospital Infection

Unnecessary Procedures

Surgery-related

How would the above overlap? Can you give an example?

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

How do you know it's highly likely that there's a significant amount of overlap? Now who's making assumptions?



Here are some of the categories:



Hospital Adverse Drug Reaction



Hospital Medical Error



Hospital Bedsores



Hospital Infection



Unnecessary Procedures



Surgery-related



How would the above overlap? Can you give an example?

Well let's see how about adverse drug reactions and medical errors

[Villages PL]

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[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

If he had an ounce of decency he would be donating his medical knowledge and skills AND lawsuit settlement monies to treat the working poor who cannot afford their new deductibles of $4000-$5000 before getting any use out of their shiny new insurance plan for which they struggle to pay $250/month or more.

Or he could donate to Ebola vaccine development or direct patient care with ebola or other victims.

"Huckster" is too nice a word for him.

Injured patients or survivors can get the malpractice lawyers to file the suits. State medical boards can discipline the quacks and revoke licensing.

Gary Null, PhD, was not the one shaking down numerous medical doctors for $100,000 settlements. That was Stephen Barrett. Did you bother to read my opining link about Barrett? Did you read any book by Null?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Well let's see how about adverse drug reactions and medical errors

You still didn't give an example of how one would be confused with the other.

A medical error is exactly that, an error, and often doesn't involve drugs. If it does involve a drug, it's because the patient was given the wrong drug by error. I had a neighbor who was about in his 40s and died in the hospital when they mistakenly gave him the wrong drug.

Adverse drug reactions are those that are not because of an error. A doctor prescribed a drug for me a few decades ago that almost killed me.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Well let's see how about adverse drug reactions and medical errors

And how about bedsores and infections.

[dbussone]

I apologize but you aren't even close to a subject which is remotely familiar to you. Your logic is not correct and I'm fairly certain you aren't familiar with all the medical terminology. I don't participate for the sake of argument. Most of the time I participate either to educate myself or to help or educate others. When you've worked in healthcare for 45 years...give me a shout. But don't insult my knowledge or intelligence.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by dbussone

I apologize but you aren't even close to a subject which is remotely familiar to you. Your logic is not correct and I'm fairly certain you aren't familiar with all the medical terminology. I don't participate for the sake of argument. Most of the time I participate either to educate myself or to help or educate others. When you've worked in healthcare for 45 years...give me a shout. But don't insult my knowledge or intelligence.

This is directed to Villages.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Exactly. I'm wary of the specious statistics that have been quoted on this topic.

Notice that no one has any comprehensive statistics of their own. It's easy to doubt but what do you have to offer?

[dbussone]

???...I gave you 97 pages of death statistics maintained by the CDC for 2010. If that doesn't qualify I wouldn't know what does. As I noted earlier I'm not here to argue. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving with Mr Null.
Signing off this thread.