[senior citizen]

Does anyone have a good explanation as to why those who were born in the 1870's to turn of the century and a few years beyond, for the most part lived a long long life up into their 90's and even beyond (without following any rigid fad diets) and certainly while taking no pharmaceuticals.

Obviously, many did die of infection in those days......so penicillan was a miracle drug.

But how did our great grandparents and grandparents, those who were blessed with long lives.........manage without a little pill for every part of their body????

That's a million dollar question.

We recall our senior neighbors, when we were still young and middle aged, who were just getting onto the medical treadmill with pill bottles all over their kitchen.

They had doctor appointments practically every day of the week as the body was passed around from specialist to specialist.

I do believe that now there is a faction that can think for themselves and those that choose the natural way of disease prevention via eating more healthy foods.....more power to them for having the will power to shun all the bad stuff that is out there.

But more power to those who also see that the little blue and pink and red pills also have harmful side effects down the road.........even chemotherapy and radiation can cause other cancers down the road........as Robin Roberts explained today. We know quite a few people whose "treatment" led to different cancers later on.

Not metastaces.......but from the drugs. We also know doctors and nurses who have to abide by the party line as far as treatment for their patients......but who privately will say that they themselves WILL NOT take chemo or raditation if cancer befell them.

So, whether it is choosing an "alternate" method of eating or diet..........or practicing a more holistic form of healing..........and avoiding the heavy duty chemicals that the pharmaceutical companies push......then "to each his own". My personal opinion is that most people who run from doctor to doctor are indeed afraid of dying as one other poster said........and borderline hypochondriacs. We all have to go from something.

Are we the only ones that watch the evening news filled with drug commercials and then the "side effects" which are worse than the disease in some instances......such as "death", lymphoma, T.B., various other cancers, etc.............anything that messes with the immune system, especially for the auto immune diseases, will wreak havoc down the road.

I know several women who were diagnosed with systemic lupus , supposedly of all their bodily organs and joints.......were put on prednisone and plaquenil.........for years and years.....with terrible side effects.

I also know many other older people who didn't even know they had cancer until the very end......like a few weeks before......they functioned without the worry for years and years of all this battling cancer..........and then just went downhill immediately before death was imminent. In other words, no drugs, no treatment and NO WORRY. They didn't know they had it. In my mother in law's generation, back in the early 70's they didn't even tell the person; she had it probably for several years but didn't know the difference........hers, we later were told, came from two many xrays during pregnancy in the 1950s

But mostly I remember all my long lived family members who never took one single medicine.........other than maybe an aspirin. Their longevity was amazing. Also, there was no processed foods in their day. Personally, I don't think our bodies are made for all these foreign chemicals manufactured by the drug companies.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

FWIW Just noticed an article that I thought might interest some of you out there. It is from May/12 on Dr. Mercola's site. (mercola.com) He is a medical doctor who really walks his talk. His info is always well researched and if things change, he updates. His mission is to get the info out so you can take responsibility for yourself. His products are great but it is not necessary to purchase in order to get the newsletter. IMHO his video interviews are excellent and all suggestions are worth considering. See how it fits into your belief system and if it makes sense to you.

Over Half of Your Diet Should Consist of Saturated Fats


LW888

Interesting to me LW, thank you for posting this.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Next time you have a sore throat, slice up some raw garlic and chew it down. It does work. Garlic is a powerful antibiotic.

Thank you. I hope I remember it when the time comes that I need it.

Have your ever noticed this?: I've been noticing for the past year that a lot of apples are waxed. Often, it will state that on the bag. So I wash the apple but I wonder if it does much good because waxed apples are difficult to wash. And I don't have much confidence in the light spray-washing they get (on a conveyer belt) before waxing. I wish they wouldn't wax them; but like you said, it's usually about money. Perhaps they last longer when waxed.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

FWIW Just noticed an article that I thought might interest some of you out there. It is from May/12 on Dr. Mercola's site. (mercola.com) He is a medical doctor who really walks his talk. His info is always well researched and if things change, he updates. His mission is to get the info out so you can take responsibility for yourself. His products are great but it is not necessary to purchase in order to get the newsletter. IMHO his video interviews are excellent and all suggestions are worth considering. See how it fits into your belief system and if it makes sense to you.

Over Half of Your Diet Should Consist of Saturated Fats

The above link was made possible by the makers of Crisco!

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Does anyone have a good explanation as to why those who were born in the 1870's to turn of the century and a few years beyond, for the most part lived a long long life up into their 90's and even beyond (without following any rigid fad diets) and certainly while taking no pharmaceuticals

That is very interesting question, my quick answer is processed foods.

But currently the USA ranks #38 in the world relating to life expectancy.

Average life span

1880 41
1900 49
1930 59
1950 68
1970 70
1990 75
2011 78

Leading causes heart, cancer, stroke, pulmonary, PNEUMONIA. DIABETES (the last two are increasing)

So not that many made it into the 90's as you may have thought.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by skyc6

I thought I was clear! Your delivery implies that you think you are the only one on this board who knows what they are talking about, except Jimbo!
You two seem to have a lot in common! Maybe you could share a fridge!

Your delivery implies that you think people are dumb enough to believe that half of one's diet should consist of saturated fats.

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

The above link was made possible by the makers of Crisco!

How did I miss that

This Dr. is a marketeer IMO, he has no basis of his plagiarized claims or findings, I don't give a great deal of credibility to Dr's that sell products other than their books.

To say it's justified to pay for a website......no way that is what I do for a living, it costs less than $200 a year.

I doctor should be able to fund that w/o selling snake oil.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

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Bill

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

That is very interesting question, my quick answer is processed foods.

But currently the USA ranks #38 in the world relating to life expectancy.

Average life span

1880 41
1900 49
1930 59
1950 68
1970 70
1990 75
2011 78

Leading causes heart, cancer, stroke, pulmonary, PNEUMONIA. DIABETES (the last two are increasing)

So not that many made it into the 90's as you may have thought.

Perhaps no one knows for sure how many made it. But just in my family alone there were several. All of my grandparents were born in the 1870s and all of them lived very long lives. One grandmother lived to 89 and my grandfather lived to 97. The others were close behind. I had a great aunt who lived to 100. And there was another ancestor (listed in my family tree that was researched by my cousin's wife) of a man who was born in 1850 and died in 1956. How about that!! He lived to 106 years old.

One reason why your charts show such short lives is because there was a high rate of infant mortality. But if you didn't die as an infant or during the first 5 years, and didn't die from yellow fever etc, your chances were pretty good. From my understanding, all of my ancestors who were born in Europe had gardens. And they mostly ate natural whole foods rather than processed. They didn't have access to read meat either.

[jimbo2012]

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Gracie, do you really think anyone would do that without consulting a Dr.?
Unfortunately, yes. Having been in health care for 40 years I've seen too many times "desperation" move people in a dangerous

Perhaps it could be that they can't get all the info and options from their doctors to resort to that incorrect move when your doctors only advise id more drugs rather tan taking the time to explain the dietary options.

We made the change under our (two) doctors care, but understand one of them was against the idea at first, after a year he was convinced by our results and bought the books & DVD.

My other doctor not know details of a vegan diet but was wide open to learning about it, she works at a teaching hospital and helped monitor both of us closely and is amazed at out results.

If you want to increase the chances of having a longer active ailment free retirement read the what's out there on vegan diets by the leading authorities that have the research to to backup their claims.
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[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo

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Bill

Bill as longs as it's not cooked in oil & no butter, it only needs salt & a pitcher of beer to complete the picture.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

That is very interesting question, my quick answer is processed foods.

But currently the USA ranks #38 in the world relating to life expectancy.

Average life span

1880 41
1900 49
1930 59
1950 68
1970 70
1990 75
2011 78

Leading causes heart, cancer, stroke, pulmonary, PNEUMONIA. DIABETES (the last two are increasing)

So not that many made it into the 90's as you may have thought.

Thanks for looking it up. I guess I just come from a very long lived family who lived into their late 90's..........

I do realize the mortality rate due to infection, childbirth, industry related accidents involving workers.....were high.

But, I think you are correct in saying "no processed foods" for the most part. They also walked everywhere out of necessity.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Perhaps no one knows for sure how many made it. But just in my family alone there were several. All of my grandparents were born in the 1870s and all of them lived very long lives. One grandmother lived to 89 and my grandfather lived to 97. The others were close behind. I had a great aunt who lived to 100. And there was another ancestor (listed in my family tree that was researched by my cousin's wife) of a man who was born in 1850 and died in 1956. How about that!! He lived to 106 years old.

One reason why your charts show such short lives is because there was a high rate of infant mortality. But if you didn't die as an infant or during the first 5 years, and didn't die from yellow fever etc, your chances were pretty good. From my understanding, all of my ancestors who were born in Europe had gardens. And they mostly ate natural whole foods rather than processed. They didn't have access to read meat either.

I can echo just about everything you've said. If they survived infancy, etc. they could very well live a long long life. They ate simply, mostly things they grew themselves.....things they prepared "from scratch".

Mine ate the true "Mediterranean Diet" even before it became popular.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Thank you. I hope I remember it when the time comes that I need it.

Have your ever noticed this?: I've been noticing for the past year that a lot of apples are waxed. Often, it will state that on the bag. So I wash the apple but I wonder if it does much good because waxed apples are difficult to wash. And I don't have much confidence in the light spray-washing they get (on a conveyer belt) before waxing. I wish they wouldn't wax them; but like you said, it's usually about money. Perhaps they last longer when waxed.

I never cared for waxed cukes or apples either.

I looked up that mycotoxin that is produced when a low level of apples , like apple droppings (on the ground, not picked from a tree like is normally done during apple harvest)......is used to make apple juice, such as the type I found the HUGE circular mold in....of varying colors.

PATULIN is a mycotoxin produced by a variety of molds, in particular, Aspergillus and Penicillium. It is commonly found in rotting apples, and the amount of patulin in apple products is generally viewed as a measure of the quality of the apples used in production.

It is not a particularly potent toxin, but a number of studies have shown that it is genotoxic....which has led to some theories that claim that it may be a CARCINOGEN, though animal studies have remained inconclusive.

Patulin is also an antibiotic. Several countries have instituted PATULIN RESTRICTIONS in apple products.

THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION recommends a maximum concentration of 50 ug/L in apple juice.

In Europe, the limit is set to 50 micrograms per kilogram in both apple juice and apple cider......and to half that concentration in solid apple products......I guess like apple butter and apple sauce. and in products for infants and young children. These limits came into law in November of 2003.

It is also listed as one of the foodborne hazards by the World Health Organization.

I found out all of this when I opened the Price Chopper apple juice and found the "alien presence" inside. Wish I still had those pictures.
Corporate headquarters "beat around the bush" and said that all their apple producers in China were monitored closely for safety, etc.

They admitted the apples were foreign.......that went into their apple juice. It was a wakeup call for me, for sure.

Oh.........I just read that even more expensive apple juice such as bought in organic specialty markets.......can have a higher level of Patulin spores than does a "brand name" such as the Price Chopper Apple Juice. I always used to buy MOTTS but due to the fact they had none on their shelves, and the grandbabies were coming, I got the store brand that one time only.........never again. It was so gross, I cannot get myself to drink apple juice again. I even wonder if our Vermont apple cider could have it.

[ilovetv]

I just read that even more expensive apple juice such as bought in organic specialty markets.......can have a higher level of Patulin spores than does a "brand name" such as the Price Chopper Apple Juice. I always used to buy MOTTS but due to the fact they had none on their shelves, and the grandbabies were coming, I got the store brand that one time only.........never again. It was so gross, I cannot get myself to drink apple juice again. I even wonder if our Vermont apple cider could have it.

"Unpasteurized apple cider and juice have been associated with outbreaks of E. coli O157:H7 infection, cryptosporidiosis, and salmonellosis (1-4). Animals are the primary reservoir for the pathogenic organisms associated with these outbreaks. In particular, cattle, deer, and sheep can asymptomatically carry E. coli O157:H7 and Cryptosporidium, and many animals, including cattle, chickens, and pigs, can asymptomatically carry Salmonella.

Although the exact mechanisms of contamination for these previous outbreaks were not clearly determined, in three of the outbreaks, manure was suspected to have contaminated the apples. For example, in an outbreak of cryptosporidiosis in 1993, drop apples were collected from trees adjacent to an area grazed by cattle whose stool contained Cryptosporidium (3), and in a salmonellosis outbreak in 1974, drop apples had been collected from an orchard fertilized with manure (4).

The practice of using drop apples for making apple cider is common (2), and apples can become contaminated by resting on ground contaminated with manure. In an outbreak of E. coli O157:H7 infections in 1991 (2), the cider press operator also raised cattle, and cattle grazed in a field adjacent to the mill. The presence of animals near a cider mill can result in manure inadvertently contacting apples, equipment, or workers' hands. In addition, apples can become contaminated if transported or stored in areas that contain manure, or if rinsed with contaminated water.

These previous outbreaks of illness prompted recommendations to reduce the risk for producing contaminated cider, including 1) preventing the introduction of animal manure into orchards, 2) avoiding use of apples that have fallen to the ground, 3) washing and brushing apples before pressing, 4) using a preservative such as sodium benzoate, and 5) routine pasteurization."


Centers for Disease Control (CDC)

Outbreaks of Escherichia coli O157:H7 Infection and Cryptosporidiosis Associated with Drinking Unpasteurized Apple Cider

Outbreaks of Escherichia coli O157:H7 Infection and Cryptosporidiosis Associated with Drinking Unpasteurized Apple Cider -- Connecticut and New York, October 1996