[MorTech]

Interesting lecture by Drs. Eades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uncd7SvT94c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87BWWUj9PiY

[fdpaq0580]

Pre-civilization, or troglodite diet. Meat, when we could find it, steal it or kill it. Wild fruit, when in season. Bushes and grasses. Occasionally roots or tubers.
Once we settled and started turning grain into flour and figured how to get the sugar out of cane and beets, the dice were cast, and came up snake eyes. Lean hunter gatherers evolved into bakerssapians,and they, in turn, created a race of foodies and couch potatoes.
Do the research. Just look around, but not at me. I'm just big boned, really!

Now, where did I hide those chocolate eclairs?

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Pre-civilization, or troglodite diet. Meat, when we could find it, steal it or kill it. Wild fruit, when in season. Bushes and grasses. Occasionally roots or tubers.
Once we settled and started turning grain into flour and figured how to get the sugar out of cane and beets, the dice were cast, and came up snake eyes. Lean hunter gatherers evolved into bakerssapians,and they, in turn, created a race of foodies and couch potatoes.
Do the research. Just look around, but not at me. I'm just big boned, really!

Now, where did I hide those chocolate eclairs?

Dunno about the pre-civilization stuff, but all we have to do is to look around. The animals that eat plants are fat. The animals that EAT the animals that eat plants, are not.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Dunno about the pre-civilization stuff, but all we have to do is to look around. The animals that eat plants are fat. The animals that EAT the animals that eat plants, are not.

OK! But where do the eclairs come in?

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

OK! But where do the eclairs come in?

Mine come in through the back door, after dark.

[fdpaq0580]

The animals that eat plants are fat. The animals that EAT the animals that eat plants, are not.[/QUOTE]

Look again. Certainly, if you look at domesticated animals that might seem true. Look at nature. See any fat mountain goats or big horn sheep? See any fat gazelle or wildebeest or antelope? The harder an animal has to work for its calories the more fit it will be. Examples, look to your pets. If you put out unlimited food there would be nothing but fat dogs and cats unable to move, and their natural diet is meat, not kibble.

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Dunno about the pre-civilization stuff, but all we have to do is to look around. The animals that eat plants are fat. The animals that EAT the animals that eat plants, are not.

You may need to look around a little more. Your statement about animals in their natural environment is false. Giraffes and bears are two obvious species that come to mind. Not to mention most Asians eat small amounts of meat with plenty of rice and vegetables. They are not fat humans.

Inuits (Eskimos) diet consists of mainly meat. They are not skinny humans.

Americans tend to be heavier because of the portion size of food we consume. Any diet that reduces portion size will help you lose weight and keep it off. Eat meat and not carbs? Great! Smaller portion of food. Eat only vegetables? Great! Smaller portions of food. Smaller portions mean less calories.

Many diseases are caused by a lack of vitamins or minerals. IMHO, You are doing yourself a disservice if you avoid certain food groups. Again, Asians eat balanced meals and are some of the healthiest humans on the planet and live longer than other races. Btw: No, I am not Asian. They just happen to be a perfect example for this thread.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Mine come in through the back door, after dark.

LOL! I'm jealous!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Randall55

You may need to look around a little more. Your statement about animals in their natural environment is false. Giraffes and bears are two obvious species that come to mind. Not to mention most Asians eat small amounts of meat with plenty of rice and vegetables. They are not fat humans.

Americans tend to be heavier because of the portion size of food we consume. Any diet that reduces portion size will help you lose weight and keep it off. Eat meat and not carbs? Great! Smaller portion of food. Eat only vegetables? Great! Smaller portions of food. Smaller portions mean less calories.

Many diseases are caused by a lack of vitamins or minerals. You are doing yourself a disservice if you avoid certain food groups. Again, Asians eat balanced meals and are some of the healthiest humans on the planet and live longer than other races. Btw: No, I am not Asian. They just happen to be a perfect example for this thread.

Bears are omnivores eat anything they can get. Bears need to put on weight so they can hibernate and survive winter. Ever see how actually fit a grizzly is as it runs down an adult elk.
Giraffe? Plant based diet. Don't look fat to me.
Absolutely agree that portion size and balance in diet and exercise is key.

? Is not rice (which I love) not a carb?

[Velvet]

“High blood cholesterol is one of the major controllable risk factors for heart disease, heart attack and stroke. High cholesterol causes 4.4 million deaths every year, or 7.8% of all deaths….

Cholesterol is only found in foods that come from animals, there is no cholesterol in foods that come from plants. So, there is no cholesterol in fruit, vegetables, grains, seeds, nuts, beans, peas and lentils.” Google

How many of us know someone who had a stroke? (Possibly helped along by high cholesterol.)

[frayedends]

China is indeed starting to have an obesity epidemic. This is due to a shift toward western diets. Processed foods, seed oils, and sugar.

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by frayedends

China is indeed starting to have an obesity epidemic. This is due to a shift toward western diets. Processed foods, seed oils, and sugar.

No argument about that. Processed food is unhealthy for everyone. However, Asians do not eat a lot of meat and would not consider avoiding vegetables and rice to get healthy. Latinos also eat an abundance of rice, legumes, and vegetables. The Mediterranean diet is full of vegetables and grains. It is egotistical and dangerous to believe millions upon millions of humans are eating incorrectly. Especially when most of them live long and healthy lives. On the opposite spectrum, Inuits eat very little carbs and are not skinny.

Anyone who starts a fad diet has one motive...MONEY! There is no real science that backs up any of their "new and improved" methods of eating. My proof are the millions of people around the world who eat opposite of an "informed" American.

Less portion size means fewer calories. This is the ONLY reason fad diets work. Don't believe it? Eat a Fred Flinstone portion of meat every day for a month. You will not lose weight nor will it improve your health.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Velvet

“High blood cholesterol is one of the major controllable risk factors for heart disease, heart attack and stroke. High cholesterol causes 4.4 million deaths every year, or 7.8% of all deaths….

Cholesterol is only found in foods that come from animals, there is no cholesterol in foods that come from plants. So, there is no cholesterol in fruit, vegetables, grains, seeds, nuts, beans, peas and lentils.” Google

How many of us know someone who had a stroke? (Possibly helped along by high cholesterol.)

The people with the worst cholesterol problems tend to eat lots of food laced with sugar and flour. Carbohydrates make people sedative, and the unburnt carbs turn into body fat.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

The animals that eat plants are fat. The animals that EAT the animals that eat plants, are not.

Examples, look to your pets. If you put out unlimited food there would be nothing but fat dogs and cats unable to move, and their natural diet is meat, not kibble.

You obviously never had the pleasure of having a border collie as your pet. You could put down a smorgasbord of their favorite food and give them a choice of eating or doing a physical activity. They would choose physically working over food seven days a week and twice on Sundays. Sallie and Zack were the greatest.

[Velvet]

Tophcfa is also correct:

“When you eat too much sugar, your liver makes more LDL while lowering the amount of HDL in your body. The extra calories from a sugary diet also leads to more of something called triglycerides, a type of blood fat that plays a role in your cholesterol health.”