[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I've had 4 Pfizer shots total. I had COVID last year, maybe six months ago? Seven? Something like that. The only reason I even suspected I might have it, was because I couldn't taste the cinnamon in my coffee that morning. I know that loss of taste/smell is a symptom. I took the test you get free from the government that morning (I had 4 of them because - free stuff). It was positive. I allowed for the possibility of a false positive and tested again the next day. Also positive. I isolated for 5 days, tested a third time, negative. Continued on my merry way.

BTW I was able to taste the cinnamon in my coffee the second day, and had no other symptoms at all.

Fast forward to around a month ago I started getting the sniffles. I still have them. I tested negative for COVID twice in the past month, so I'm just assuming it's - the sniffles. You can pretend that's an official medical diagnosis. I was a snot-nosed kid too.

Thanks, this is helpful.

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

My own observations about this is that the only people I know that died from Covid were not vaccinated. However the ones I know who have had it the most times were vaccinated and fully boosted. I personally only had the initial vaccine series (2 shots) back in 2021. The one and only time I got Covid it was so mild I’ve had colds that were worse. I have to wonder if people are so over-vaccinated that they can no longer produce a natural response. What is everyone’s own experience with this?

My experience is that I got infected with the original virus SARS-CoV-2 (Covid-19) in March of 2020. It was less than a cold. I had an unusual (never felt before) congestion in my upper lungs, I had an irrepressible urge to cough. (I was outside at a public park at the time & the mania had just hit - say March 15th or so & I did NOT want to cough - I really, really tried not to cough). I got to my car & felt free to cough. I drove home & started to write what I thought would be an article about my experience with the dread COVID. An original article by a sufferer would have been of interest at the time as so little was known about the virus. The next day, I woke up feeling fine. No symptoms, no article to write. But I did have something invaluable - natural immunity. I have been thankfully free of any cold/flu symptoms since. (I don't think it is a magic power - I think the Covid virus (& its associated variants) has out competed the normal cold/flu viruses & it probably won't last much longer). Some details: 60 years old, non-smoker, adequate Vitamin D level (as shown in blood tests a few months later), daily walker, excellent health, pretty good nutrition (I eat my veggies).

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

My experience is that I got infected with the original virus SARS-CoV-2 (Covid-19) in March of 2020. It was less than a cold. I had an unusual (never felt before) congestion in my upper lungs, I had an irrepressible urge to cough. (I was outside at a public park at the time & the mania had just hit - say March 15th or so & I did NOT want to cough - I really, really tried not to cough). I got to my car & felt free to cough. I drove home & started to write what I thought would be an article about my experience with the dread COVID. An original article by a sufferer would have been of interest at the time as so little was known about the virus. The next day, I woke up feeling fine. No symptoms, no article to write. But I did have something invaluable - natural immunity. I have been thankfully free of any cold/flu symptoms since. (I don't think it is a magic power - I think the Covid virus (& its associated variants) has out competed the normal cold/flu viruses & it probably won't last much longer). Some details: 60 years old, non-smoker, adequate Vitamin D level (as shown in blood tests a few months later), daily walker, excellent health, pretty good nutrition (I eat my veggies).

Interesting, thanks

[HappyGirl126]

Doctor Calls for Withdrawal of Pfizer, Moderna COVID-19 Vaccines Following New Research

Provided by The Epoch Times

Here is the article. There are 1,000s of Drs worldwide that already know this. But most people are afraid to go to NIH, PubMed or even to Pfizer to look at the information Pfizer wanted concealed from us for over 75+ years.

The information presented here is drawn from peer-reviewed scientific literature from the United States, Australia, Denmark, Sweden, France, and Japan, as well as statistics published by public health agencies in each of these countries. More than 100 hours of research and internal peer review among scientists with experience in infectious diseases, virology, clinical trials, and vaccine epidemiology have been invested in presenting this summary of the evidence.

[HappyGirl126]

Another article from The Epoch Times.

Sudden Death: The No. 1 Cause of Death for Under 65s in 2021

The lengthy article contains charts/graphs and a lengthy description.

Perhaps they have a "trial subscription" so that you could read this and many others.

One-year subscription is, I believe 10.99/year. Time to do some research to find answers to questions asked.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

My experience is that I got infected with the original virus SARS-CoV-2 (Covid-19) in March of 2020. It was less than a cold. I had an unusual (never felt before) congestion in my upper lungs, I had an irrepressible urge to cough. (I was outside at a public park at the time & the mania had just hit - say March 15th or so & I did NOT want to cough - I really, really tried not to cough). I got to my car & felt free to cough. I drove home & started to write what I thought would be an article about my experience with the dread COVID. An original article by a sufferer would have been of interest at the time as so little was known about the virus. The next day, I woke up feeling fine. No symptoms, no article to write. But I did have something invaluable - natural immunity. I have been thankfully free of any cold/flu symptoms since. (I don't think it is a magic power - I think the Covid virus (& its associated variants) has out competed the normal cold/flu viruses & it probably won't last much longer). Some details: 60 years old, non-smoker, adequate Vitamin D level (as shown in blood tests a few months later), daily walker, excellent health, pretty good nutrition (I eat my veggies).

I would suggest that your fast RECOVERY from Covid-like symptoms was due to your relatively (with respect to Covid) YOUNG AGE and non-smoking with daily walks. It worked for you, so keep up the good work. But, there are few valuable conclusions to be drawn from that to help seniors, in general about Covid. Statistically, it is an N of 1, which is meaningless. The statistics did tell us that the bulk of the DEATHS and hospitalizations were for the OLDER seniors in the age 75 and up brackets. Whole different world for them - the body bags in NY City were being filled up by that plus 75 group. So, when the vaccines were developed, the rush was on for that group in The Villages to get vaccinated. People drove all over the state for the vaccine early on. True that many people 75 plus did NOT get the vaccine, especially in the Midwest. But, the Midwest ended up paying for its vaccine avoidance by having the most deaths per 1000 people in the US. To me, that fact is proof-positive that the vaccines WORKED. Personally, I wished that it had been MANDATED except for immuno-compromised people.

Today people in the US are STILL dying (in smaller numbers) from Covid and it seems to be spreading. In China Covid is spreading RAPIDLY and KILLING a lot of people. China has lost control of the situation. China has a bad vaccine and many won't take it. When comparing the US and China the conclusion about Covid that I and others come to is that observationally and statistically - the US vaccine worked and saved lives.
.........To me, that amounts to a 2nd proof-positive. I see it as simple as 2 plus 2 equals 4.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by HappyGirl126

Doctor Calls for Withdrawal of Pfizer, Moderna COVID-19 Vaccines Following New Research

Provided by The Epoch Times

Here is the article. There are 1,000s of Drs worldwide that already know this. But most people are afraid to go to NIH, PubMed or even to Pfizer to look at the information Pfizer wanted concealed from us for over 75+ years.

The information presented here is drawn from peer-reviewed scientific literature from the United States, Australia, Denmark, Sweden, France, and Japan, as well as statistics published by public health agencies in each of these countries. More than 100 hours of research and internal peer review among scientists with experience in infectious diseases, virology, clinical trials, and vaccine epidemiology have been invested in presenting this summary of the evidence.

According to Wikipedia, Epoch Times is a far right media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement. It frequently promotes misinformation and conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccine information, and false claims of election fraud in the 2020 US election.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

I was referring to the fact that the signal that came from a study of a sample of 550,000 persons over 65 of which 130 had a stroke within 21 days of getting the booster shot. That quantity seemed to trigger an adverse effect signal. They go on to say they used the same data and analyzed with a different methodology and could not duplicate the results.

I realize that they could have used more detailed analysis such as a closer look at the age distribution etc , but if the number 130 out of 550,000 within 21 days sets off a trigger, it would seem that a better explanation would be more convincing. What would be the normal expectation of that type of stroke in a population and age of this type? Seemingly, they infer that the grouping of those strokes was within 21 days of the start date, and then perhaps not an issue. How does different methodology yield different results and why does that mitigate the initial trigger?

I was hoping not to trigger any arguments and harsh comment regarding other data offered. I think it is fair to offer other data without citing sources but my subject is the cited adverse trigger event data.

I realize that samples from other sources don't replicate the results of concern but get concerned when I see CDC stating that the analysis of subject data can't be replicated.

The government reports that out of 350,000,000 (350 million) people in the US, there are about 600,000 first-time strokes per year. That's one(1) stroke for every 583 people per year.
So, for 550,000 people, 943 would have a stroke in a year's time. That's 18.8 strokes per week or 56 strokes in 3 weeks.

The issue then is that 130 strokes in 3 weeks is several multiples of the 56 expected in that time frame using the historical data as a predictor. By my math, a person is 2.32 (130/56) times more likely to have a stroke in the 3-week window after taking the booster.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would suggest that your fast RECOVERY from Covid-like symptoms was due to your relatively (with respect to Covid) YOUNG AGE and non-smoking with daily walks. It worked for you, so keep up the good work. But, there are few valuable conclusions to be drawn from that to help seniors, in general about Covid. Statistically, it is an N of 1, which is meaningless. The statistics did tell us that the bulk of the DEATHS and hospitalizations were for the OLDER seniors in the age 75 and up brackets. Whole different world for them - the body bags in NY City were being filled up by that plus 75 group. So, when the vaccines were developed, the rush was on for that group in The Villages to get vaccinated. People drove all over the state for the vaccine early on. True that many people 75 plus did NOT get the vaccine, especially in the Midwest. But, the Midwest ended up paying for its vaccine avoidance by having the most deaths per 1000 people in the US. To me, that fact is proof-positive that the vaccines WORKED. Personally, I wished that it had been MANDATED except for immuno-compromised people.

Today people in the US are STILL dying (in smaller numbers) from Covid and it seems to be spreading. In China Covid is spreading RAPIDLY and KILLING a lot of people. China has lost control of the situation. China has a bad vaccine and many won't take it. When comparing the US and China the conclusion about Covid that I and others come to is that observationally and statistically - the US vaccine worked and saved lives.
.........To me, that amounts to a 2nd proof-positive. I see it as simple as 2 plus 2 equals 4.

I do not believe anything I read from any news source which is why I am asking for personal experiences. So far we have 3 mild cases from unvaccinated, vaccinated, and vaccinated and boosted.

[ithos]

Surfer arrested because the police were just following "the Science".

Paddle boarder arrested in Malibu, ignored coronavirus closures - Los Angeles Times

[ThirdOfFive]

And the endless debate continues...

I forget where in this thread it was mentioned but someone observed that they don't trust ANY news source. I tend to agree. In this vastly overpoliticized and underinformed culture of ours, there is one truth that always seems to stand out. And that is that sensationalism sells. When that sensationalism involves news, which we so naively seem to believe is a dispassionate recital of the facts, it is doubly dangerous. News services are businesses like any other. They're out there to make money. And if sensationalism draws readership and generates hits, you can bet the farm that they'll use as much of that as they can. I tend to gravitate to sources without a dog in the fight, but those are becoming harder and harder to find.

This is what my own experience tells me. My wife and I decided from the getgo (on a cruise ship actually, which was one of the last to make it into port before the door slammed shut) that we were going to live our lives without fear, and as normally as possible. We rarely wore masks, and hung out with people with the same mindset. Handshakes and hugs were the norm, not those ridiculous fist-bumps. Oh--we both had COVID--late fall 2020. My wife had a VERY mild case. For me--well, not a picnic but to be honest I've had far worse cases of the flu. Felt kinda puny for about four days but after that my major gripe was that it interfered with my golf.

As for others in our life...our yard guy died after being hospitalized for COVID. He had had the shot. Died of cardiac arrest; I talked to him a couple of days before and he was looking forward to getting out of the hospital. What are the odds that his death certificate listed "COVID" as cause of death? Others? My wife's daughter, her husband and four kids all had the vaccination. A few months later all of them came down with COVID--my step-granddaughter's case also involved a pneumonia diagnosis. My sister had the shot, and then had COVID--twice. The last time, this past December, damn near killed her. My oldest granddaughter also had COVID--twice--AFTER having the shot.

My conclusions?

1. I know more people who have had COVID AFTER the vaccine than who have gotten it without having the vaccine. Some multiple times. Doesn't seem to help much if at all.

2. The biggest threat is not COVID, but the FEAR of COVID. For my wife and myself, as well as a whole lot of others who decided to LIVE our lives rather than curl up in a fetal position under some bed, that is the case.

3. People who take the government at their word are fools.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

My experience is that I got infected with the original virus SARS-CoV-2 (Covid-19) in March of 2020. It was less than a cold. I had an unusual (never felt before) congestion in my upper lungs, I had an irrepressible urge to cough. (I was outside at a public park at the time & the mania had just hit - say March 15th or so & I did NOT want to cough - I really, really tried not to cough). I got to my car & felt free to cough. I drove home & started to write what I thought would be an article about my experience with the dread COVID. An original article by a sufferer would have been of interest at the time as so little was known about the virus. The next day, I woke up feeling fine. No symptoms, no article to write. But I did have something invaluable - natural immunity. I have been thankfully free of any cold/flu symptoms since. (I don't think it is a magic power - I think the Covid virus (& its associated variants) has out competed the normal cold/flu viruses & it probably won't last much longer). Some details: 60 years old, non-smoker, adequate Vitamin D level (as shown in blood tests a few months later), daily walker, excellent health, pretty good nutrition (I eat my veggies).

Were you diagnosed with COVID via a test? Or are you just assuming that's what you had?

You will never be "immune" to colds and flu by the way. The common cold mutates regularly, just like the flu does. Even the flu shot doesn't provide 100% foolproof immunity. It provides the chance for your body to create its own antibodies against the flu, which can reduce your risk of getting sick AND reduce symptoms if you fail the dice roll.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

The government reports that out of 350,000,000 (350 million) people in the US, there are about 600,000 first-time strokes per year. That's one(1) stroke for every 583 people per year.
So, for 550,000 people, 943 would have a stroke in a year's time. That's 18.8 strokes per week or 56 strokes in 3 weeks.

The issue then is that 130 strokes in 3 weeks is several multiples of the 56 expected in that time frame using the historical data as a predictor. By my math, a person is 2.32 (130/56) times more likely to have a stroke in the 3-week window after taking the booster.

Picking a specific 3-week period using a specific demographic, and comparing it to a 52-week period using every person in the country - does not add up and is not mathematics, at all, even a little bit.

What percentage of of ALL people in the USA, had strokes in the last 52 weeks? Compare that to the 52 weeks prior, and the 52 weeks prior, and keep going back until you're beyond 52 weeks before the first case of COVID.

If you want whole numbers, then pick all the people in the USA up to and including 350 million of them - if it falls short, add some folks from Canada to make up the shortage. And figure out how many of those people had strokes in the last 52 weeks. And then the 52 weeks prior, and the 52 weeks prior to that, and so on, until you're beyond 52 weeks before the first case of COVID.

Compare like with like, otherwise your data has no merit, and is useless.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

And the endless debate continues...

I forget where in this thread it was mentioned but someone observed that they don't trust ANY news source. I tend to agree. In this vastly overpoliticized and underinformed culture of ours, there is one truth that always seems to stand out. And that is that sensationalism sells. When that sensationalism involves news, which we so naively seem to believe is a dispassionate recital of the facts, it is doubly dangerous. News services are businesses like any other. They're out there to make money. And if sensationalism draws readership and generates hits, you can bet the farm that they'll use as much of that as they can. I tend to gravitate to sources without a dog in the fight, but those are becoming harder and harder to find.

This is what my own experience tells me. My wife and I decided from the getgo (on a cruise ship actually, which was one of the last to make it into port before the door slammed shut) that we were going to live our lives without fear, and as normally as possible. We rarely wore masks, and hung out with people with the same mindset. Handshakes and hugs were the norm, not those ridiculous fist-bumps. Oh--we both had COVID--late fall 2020. My wife had a VERY mild case. For me--well, not a picnic but to be honest I've had far worse cases of the flu. Felt kinda puny for about four days but after that my major gripe was that it interfered with my golf.

As for others in our life...our yard guy died after being hospitalized for COVID. He had had the shot. Died of cardiac arrest; I talked to him a couple of days before and he was looking forward to getting out of the hospital. What are the odds that his death certificate listed "COVID" as cause of death? Others? My wife's daughter, her husband and four kids all had the vaccination. A few months later all of them came down with COVID--my step-granddaughter's case also involved a pneumonia diagnosis. My sister had the shot, and then had COVID--twice. The last time, this past December, damn near killed her. My oldest granddaughter also had COVID--twice--AFTER having the shot.

My conclusions?

1. I know more people who have had COVID AFTER the vaccine than who have gotten it without having the vaccine. Some multiple times. Doesn't seem to help much if at all.

2. The biggest threat is not COVID, but the FEAR of COVID. For my wife and myself, as well as a whole lot of others who decided to LIVE our lives rather than curl up in a fetal position under some bed, that is the case.

3. People who take the government at their word are fools.

There are more people who have had the vaccine, than not had it. The difference is that most of the people who are contracting covid now, aren't deathly ill, needing any kind of special treatment, and aren't dying.

No one is saying that people have to crawl under their beds in a fetal position and be fearful. There's "it's all a hoax, the government is fooling you" and there's "we're all going to die." Civilized intelligent people believe something in between the two extremes. Everyone who believes in either extreme - are, by definition, extremists.

You do you. If it suits you, you could just get sick and trust in the lord to either make you better or end your suffering, and not bother with aspirin, or cough medicine, or chicken soup, or a doctor - since, y'know - it's all a hoax.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

The government reports that out of 350,000,000 (350 million) people in the US, there are about 600,000 first-time strokes per year. That's one(1) stroke for every 583 people per year.
So, for 550,000 people, 943 would have a stroke in a year's time. That's 18.8 strokes per week or 56 strokes in 3 weeks.

The issue then is that 130 strokes in 3 weeks is several multiples of the 56 expected in that time frame using the historical data as a predictor. By my math, a person is 2.32 (130/56) times more likely to have a stroke in the 3-week window after taking the booster.

It is good to see an attempt at critical thinking. BUT, you missed one extremely important detail. The data on strokes reported by the CDC in this signal are only on those 65 and older. Thus you need to be comparing the stroke rate reported here with not the 350 million Americans, but rather the much smaller number of over 65. Come back to us with that calculation.. The number of baseline strokes in a three week period in the over 65 vs the report of 130 in a half million seniors.