[GoodLife]

No lockdown in Sweden but Stockholm could see '''herd immunity''' in weeks

On the herd immunity vs lockdown debate, I found this in another article

Protecting a population from becoming infected with aggressive containment is like protecting a forest in the path of wildfire – unless continuous fire fighting efforts are made, the forest will eventually burn. Aggressive contact tracing, testing, quarantine and lockdowns minimise contagion and have substantially reduced early fatalities from COVID-19.

But unless those who remain uninfected are protected until effective pharmacological interventions (vaccines, prophylactics and therapeutics) come online, the ultimate burden of deaths may be the same in countries who opt for lockdown as in those who adopted more liberal containment strategies.

Coronavirus: are we underestimating how many people have had it? Sweden thinks so

[GoodLife]

No lockdown in Sweden but Stockholm could see '''herd immunity''' in weeks

From another article:

Protecting a population from becoming infected with aggressive containment is like protecting a forest in the path of wildfire – unless continuous fire fighting efforts are made, the forest will eventually burn. Aggressive contact tracing, testing, quarantine and lockdowns minimise contagion and have substantially reduced early fatalities from COVID-19.

But unless those who remain uninfected are protected until effective pharmacological interventions (vaccines, prophylactics and therapeutics) come online, the ultimate burden of deaths may be the same in countries who opt for lockdown as in those who adopted more liberal containment strategies.

Coronavirus: are we underestimating how many people have had it? Sweden thinks so

[ficoguy]

A virus needs to live. If it were to destroy all its hosts then it would be out if business....so, no, we all ain't gonna die....follow the bell curve....don't try to change the normal distribution...the longer this isolation stuff goes on the more you prolong the outbreak and you will have a 6 year bell curve instead of six months.

[stan the man]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

No lockdown in Sweden but Stockholm could see '''herd immunity''' in weeks

From another article:

Protecting a population from becoming infected with aggressive containment is like protecting a forest in the path of wildfire – unless continuous fire fighting efforts are made, the forest will eventually burn. Aggressive contact tracing, testing, quarantine and lockdowns minimise contagion and have substantially reduced early fatalities from COVID-19.

But unless those who remain uninfected are protected until effective pharmacological interventions (vaccines, prophylactics and therapeutics) come online, the ultimate burden of deaths may be the same in countries who opt for lockdown as in those who adopted more liberal containment strategies.

Coronavirus: are we underestimating how many people have had it? Sweden thinks so

I guess we will see in a couple weeks

[Velvet]

It doesn’t look like herd immunity is ever going to happen, just dead people. The WHO said there is no evidence at this time that antibodies prevent you from catching Covid-19 again.

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by Velvet

It doesn’t look like herd immunity is ever going to happen, just dead people. The WHO said there is no evidence at this time that antibodies prevent you from catching Covid-19 again.

but that's not to say that your reaction to it the next time round won't be a lot less severe.

The flu virus changes every year, but whatever type of flu jab you get (and the manufacturers have to make an informed guess of what type they should make well in advance of flu season) tends to be better than no jab at all, even though you won't have antibodies specific to the actual flu virus.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

but that's not to say that your reaction to it the next time round won't be a lot less severe.

The flu virus changes every year, but whatever type of flu jab you get (and the manufacturers have to make an informed guess of what type they should make well in advance of flu season) tends to be better than no jab at all, even though you won't have antibodies specific to the actual flu virus.

So instead of dying like you did this time, you only..

hm, no that won't work will it?

Okay so instead of you being intubated and barely recovering, and being traumatized for the rest of whatever is left of your now-shortened life, you merely...

might end up dying afterall because the previous bout left you with scarring on your ravaged lungs, and any new illness that effects your lungs might kill you.

Hm, again.

[JoMar]

So much speculation so little data

[npwalters]

This from WHO four days ago. Note they say they EXPECT some immunity from previous infection but just don't know for how long. That is a more positive picture than the WHO says they don't know if immunity occurs at all. Some of y'all just want to grab the worst possible conclusion and run with it.

" More than 440,000 people worldwide are known to have recovered from COVID-19 — and their status is an important and lingering question. If people are immune after recovery, the thinking goes, they could resume normal life activities more quickly and provide both an economic boost and help in rendering essential services.

But for now, the answer to the question of whether people who have recovered can then be re-infected remains "an unknown," Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of WHO's emergencies programs, said.

"One would expect that a person who generates a full-blown immune response with detectable antibodies should have protection for a period of time," Ryan said. "We just don't know what that period of time is. We would expect that to be a reasonable period of protection, but it is very difficult to say that with a new virus."

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Velvet

It doesn’t look like herd immunity is ever going to happen, just dead people. The WHO said there is no evidence at this time that antibodies prevent you from catching Covid-19 again.

Who really knows how good the WHO is?

They originally said, back in January, there was no human to human transmission.


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[billethkid]

All the discussions always seem to be confined to who gets it and of those how many die from it.

What about the other 95%+++ that either don't get it....are asymptomatic and don't get it....and that other big number those who recover.

We know the high(er) risk numbers and can gather more info about those with pre-existing conditions.

With all the above in the hands of scientists and statisticians there is no doubt a common sense balance that allows the majority, low(er) risk population to resume to normal or normal-like existence.

I am afraid the politics have blunted America from doing what is the next most logical action to take. The lock downs and one size fits all stay at homes have accomplished the objective (for the most part)....

Aggressive implementation of the 3 phases of opening America plus some common sense.

[Velvet]

Four days ago they had hoped there might be some type of immunity from antibodies, today they see no indication of it. So if you get it again with your now weakened system from it previously, what’s your odds the second time?
The WHO may not be correct but do you see any health organization anywhere contradicting them?

Everybody, including me wants antibodies to work, but wanting doesn’t make it so.

[birdiebill]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Four days ago they had hoped there might be some type of immunity from antibodies, today they see no indication of it. So if you get it again with your now weakened system from it previously, what’s your odds the second time?
The WHO may not be correct but do you see any health organization anywhere contradicting them?

Everybody, including me wants antibodies to work, but wanting doesn’t make it so.

Part of the WHO response was left off. Full comment was; "We don't know even if the antibodies are protective, what degree of protection they provide, so it could be complete, it could be partial, or how long the antibodies last," Hayden added, "We know that antibody responses wane over time."

[Velvet]

Updated Saturday April 25, 2020

WHO:
"There is no evidence yet that people who have had Covid-19 will not get a second infection," WHO said in a scientific brief published Friday.”

That is crystal clear to me... no room for trying to explain it away. Do I want to hear that? Of course not!

[jebartle]

And this too will pass!

Vaccine in a year or so......