[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

OMG, is this February 30th???

I will keep you posted.........

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I will keep you posted.........

Thank you, sir

[Buffalo Jim]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Actually, I think her "rant" was an excellent factual counterbalance to the primarily emotional response that has been dominating the threads on this subject. As rants go, I'll give it a 9.8/10

I felt that it was /is a great post as a counter balance to all of the self-entitled histrionics that have been exhibited on this site .

It is tiresome to hear people constantly complain and imply some great underlying conspiracy to be at work and in this case allege some type of " bait and switch " tactic on the part of the Development Company which set up this amazing system .

Sadly our health care system has been destroyed by the voters allowing the Federal Government to take over 12% of our economy without nary a whimper followed by reelecting them all back into office.

Now we all get to reap what The Administration sowed . And now you are finally paying attention !

[RedChariot]

Originally Posted by inthemindofanurse

It absolutely amazes me the way some people behave. *Begin rant -Those of you that are infuriated about the TVH insurance change should educate yourselves a bit before showing your rear. Hopefully you have kept your letters about how you were grandfathered in for the rest of the existence that TVH has their doors open! Come on folks, be realistic. At the time of that letter there was no plan to go to only UHC MA. You were not conned. You were not lied to. You were not deceived. You were told that for the time being you would be taken care of. Things change. As far as TVH being money hungry devils....well, just an FYI they lose millions, yes plural, of dollars a year by accepting the other insurance carriers. Why, do you ask? Because in order to provide 30 minute appointments, in order to ensure that if you are in the hospital one of the TVH doctors see you, in order to ensure that there are 30 + open appointments available for call ins, in order to ensure that all of your care is coordinated through your primary, in order to ensure that you are taken care of and pampered the way you are-INSURANCE HAS TO PAY FOR IT!! BCBS said heck no, Cigna said not a chance, Humana wasn't biting, Aetna said no thanks. United Health Care said yes. These other insurance plans WILL NOT pay for these things! Please explain how TVH can continue to provide a 30 min appointment and only get paid for 12 minutes of it?! Will you accept being told they no longer offer 30 min appts because your ins will only pay for 10? No, you won't. Will you accept waiting 2 hours for your 10 min appt because the office had to schedule 30 patients for that doctor just to make the money to keep the doors open? Doubt it. At the end of the day you are just being whiney brats. TVH has not changed. They are still the best patient centered medical office in the state of Florida. They want nothing more than to continue to be the best and treat YOU, yes YOU the best. But open your eyes and realize that this kind of care has to be paid for. Like I said, MILLIONS of dollars lost. MILLIONS of dollars in the red! No, it's not so your doctor can drive home in a Mercedes. No, it's not so the medical director can get a yacht. No, it's not so the CEO can go skiing in the Swiss Alps. The whole world can't go into poverty so you can continue to sit pretty on your pedestal getting your butt powdered! - *end rant

With all due respect, May I ask how you know the facts that you are stating? You are stating you know that various insurance companies turned TVH down. That Tvh is millions of dollars are in the red. How do YOU know this? Are you a person that holds a position at TVH? I would think not. You seem a bit agitated. Yes people are emotional. Your rant is not helpful to them. IF you are a nurse, you should know that and tone down your response.

[Buffalo Jim]

Originally Posted by RedChariot

With all due respect, May I ask how you know the facts that you are stating? You are stating you know that various insurance companies turned TVH down. That Tvh is millions of dollars are in the red. How do YOU know this? Are you a person that holds a position at TVH? I would think not. You seem a bit agitated. Yes people are emotional. Your rant is not helpful to them. IF you are a nurse, you should know that and tone down your response.

Wow just amazing !! The level of immaturity and whining on here is just something to behold .
No one here operating anything in the Villages are assigned the role to be our benevolent Mommy and Daddy .
These issues are driven by financial realities and not some scheme to be mean to anyone .
I am sure that you would not expect Publix to sell you a basket full of groceries week after week for less than they cost them to make them available to you .
This Health Delivery and Health Insurance Industry is a whole new world since Washington took it over . Recall they did not even know the details of what they had passed .
The real ongoing changes are just fully rolling out on the industry now . Those charged with creating the operating rules which drive all of the expenses are making changes and new rules as they go along .
Ultimately it has an impact on every provider and every consumer of health care products and services in the USA .
Back where I came down here from Canadians were swarming over the border to get treated by US Doctors and to get operated on in US Hospitals and they have to pay cash for everything no insurance .
Why -- because they can`t wait six months to get an operation to remove cancer or to settle for not being given a treatment because they are too old .

[Stdole]

The Village Trolley should now be called
"THE SUCKER BUS"

[n8xwb]

I totally disagree.....explain how they have no problem accepting my private insurance (Cigna) when I am 64 but will not accept Medicare B and my private insurance when I turn 65????? Any medical facility that accepts Medicare C (Advantage Plans) should be required to accept Medicare B.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by stdole

the village trolley should now be called
"the sucker bus"

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by n8xwb

I totally disagree.....explain how they have no problem accepting my private insurance (Cigna) when I am 64 but will not accept Medicare B and my private insurance when I turn 65????? Any medical facility that accepts Medicare C (Advantage Plans) should be required to accept Medicare B.

Easy, they are giving you time to make the change IF you still want their service and care. It's business. They are entitled to accept any insurance plan they want and refuse any they want.

Why is this so hard to understand?

[Barefoot]

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[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Jim

Back where I came down here from Canadians were swarming over the border to get treated by US Doctors and to get operated on in US Hospitals and they have to pay cash for everything no insurance . Why -- because they can`t wait six months to get an operation to remove cancer or to settle for not being given a treatment because they are too old .

As a Canadian with many older friends, I've never once heard of anyone waiting six months for an essential operation.
Or being refused treatment based on age. Never.

[CFrance]

I don't think anyone has the right to tell anyone else not to complain. People have a right to their opinions. The bottom line for me is that TV came out loud and strong with the Marcus Welby We're Going to Take Care of Everyone deal, then dropped that theme for the bottom dollar line. We never bought into the original hoopla, so it doesn't affect us, but I think people who believed in what they said have a right to complain.

[jchase]

You live in a dream world nurser girl! I totally disagree!

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I don't think anyone has the right to tell anyone else not to complain. People have a right to their opinions. The bottom line for me is that TV came out loud and strong with the Marcus Welby We're Going to Take Care of Everyone deal, then dropped that theme for the bottom dollar line. We never bought into the original hoopla, so it doesn't affect us, but I think people who believed in what they said have a right to complain.

Anyone who has made it 65 years without ever experiencing insurance policies that change or providers who accept them is about as unique as a unicorn. Every year people go through open enrollment because circumstances change, and nothing is ever promised past that year. Or do you have something in writing that says VHC would never make changes? If you do, then you may have an argument. If not, it's just complaining and feeling like a victim.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

As a Canadian with many older friends, I've never once heard of anyone waiting six months for an essential operation.
Or being refused treatment based on age. Never.

Buffalo Jim isn't far off according to this -

Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2015 Report | Fraser Institute

Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.