Color me...gobsmacked. :ohdear:

Post 39 and 40 defy my imagination.

I can't say that I would expect any other behavior from an NFL owner. The league's participants are so pious.

There is very little to imagine if the truth would be printed about women selling their bodies for cash and once caught at it, claim that they are completely innocent of any charges even though they broke the law.

Consenting adults are permitted to engage in sexual activity. No crime there. The crime comes in when the women demand cash for their services. So how come none of these women are named.Were they charged? If not, why not ?

Trafficking
 

Could be they were under age and were trafficked here against their will.

Seems you have no idea what this is about......perhaps this might help a bit...

"Human trafficking is modern-day slavery and involves the use of force, fraud, or coercion to obtain some type of labor or commercial sex act.

Every year, millions of men, women, and children are trafficked in countries around the world, including the United States. It is estimated that human trafficking generates many billions of dollars of profit per year, second only to drug trafficking as the most profitable form of transnational crime."

What Is Human Trafficking? | Homeland Security

Human Trafficking is a crime that involves exploiting a person for labor, services, or commercial sex.

The Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 and its subsequent reauthorizations define human trafficking as:

a) Sex trafficking in which a commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such act has not attained 18 years of age; or

b) The recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purpose of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery. (22 U.S.C. § 7102(9)).

Human Trafficking | Department of Justice

Not a question.

THAT is EXACTLY the reason for the situations.

Arrests for those promoting and managing......citations for those who enable by doing business.

Google Jeff Epstein to see the enormous spread of this garbage. I applaud Florida for doing what they are doing.

"Demand?"

Like it wasn't known...upfront? :oops:

To me, this comes across as being bitter about 'John's'...having to pay.

Without the cash there is no crime. She brought up the subject of cash . Not him.

Not bitter but concerned about fairness in the legal system. Women committing crimes should be held accountable and their names made public if the men’s names are disclosed. This leaves the door wide open for women selling their bodies for cash to claim victim hood once caught in the act.

And you know this...how?

Since I must have missed it in the couple of articles I read...do you have proof/link?

Could it be that you are speculating and and by speculating, contributing to sullying the reputation of a man with an impeccable reputation? He denies it. They don’t .

Well
 

There is video! Honestly, my giut is he is guilty.

Guilty by gut, a new legal standard. Scary.

Why should we hire lawyers and impanel juries when we could just ask your gut? We could save a lot of money and time.

WHY do you continually defend those whose who commit such cowardly, and degrading acts ???

Of course proof must be made of any accusation (discounting the many made in 2016 with no evidence :icon_wink:)

If it makes you feel any better, justice does work and work very well in this country, except if you actually googled Jeff Epstein, and then you will see that the dirty P word is used to protect many.

I am so happy with the police doing this in Florida, and do not understand your non appreciation.

The human trafficking part would still be there.

I am not defending anyone. Or anything. No one has been convicted of anything. Cowardly and Degrading acts? Who did what ? Selling your body for cash seems to be degrading, is that what you mean? Look, I don’t know what happened and neither do you. I do know of the dozens of cases where people were convicted in the Press, their lives destroyed because of a lot of speculation. The Duke Lacrosse case is just one. There are many others.

I did not say anything about not appreciating the police, you made that up.

So justice works very well in this country except in cases like Jeff Epstein where you don’t think it works very well, a glaring contradiction.

To a lesser extent. You cannot get around human nature.

YOU GOT IT !

This is not even close to prostitution at all.

It is human slavery, bondage, etc.

Those fellows caught are enablers and contributing to the profit for those who enslave

:agree:

Folks, one more time.

This is NOT about simple prostitution. What part do you people not get.

This is about slavery cruel and inhumane punishment, this is NOT ABOUT YOU PAYING A WOMAN FOR SEX. These women who do not earn a dime, "are required to "turn tricks about 20 of 24 hours, 7 days a week.

All the comments demeaning women are completely mis aimed. Women in question were transported into this country with promises of jobs and a life, and instead are actually held captive

If prostitution was legal, this slavery would still exist.

I suppose if you condone any kind of slavery, inhuman practices, you would defend the practice, thus will assume you do condone it. THIS IS NOT PROSTITUTION...IT IS SLAVERY AND ABUSE.

YOU folks should get informed...read about Jeff Epstein and his cult of selling CHILDREN for sex, please investigate, not prostitution, but white slavery

Hard to believe that ANYONE can shrug this off as if it were a girl in a corner getting paid...these folks in the massage parlorsnever see one dime.

I suppose I do not know those who live in the Villages. To condone imprisoning women against their will, forcing them to exchange sexual favors to benefit the captors is NOT PROSTITUTION, it is degrading cruel behavior, and instead of other things throw these degenerates out of the country.

Since they are "all the same" I wonder if Kraft received the usually offered "happy ending"?

Don't know. Only those who see the 2 videos will know.

It is still against the law and simply enables those who are being kept captive.

Why would you wonder...I don't want to know. He is on video receiving "sexual favors"

Am still amazed at the laissez faire attitude of some who find this cruelty funny or jocular.

He might be on video, but then again he might not, let's wait and see until drawing conclusions. Jussie Smollett was not "Allegedly" a victim of a hate crime, until proven otherwise. Let's wait until the legal system goes through it's process, and then draw the appropriate conclusions.

As a life long Patriots fan, I hope he is not guilty, but if he is I hope he gets what he deserves. Just don't go rushing to judgement. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty????

Got it...you have an interest in Kraft being found not guilty despite two videos, and never mention the women enslaved that he enabled...twice

I do like the presumed innocence thing.....it has been put to the side for a bit.

And I was not aware Smollette has his trial,, but you say it is "proven" so I missed it...happy because his actions were really seriously bad but did not know he had already been convicted until you posted his guilt.

“Self-righteousness is a feeling or display of moral superiority derived from a sense that one's beliefs, actions, or affiliations are of greater virtue than those of the average person. Self-righteous individuals are often intolerant of the opinions and behaviors of others”

If the shoe fits.

Smollette basically proved his guilt, through his legal council, when they instructed him to claim the hoax hate crim he orchestrated was not his fault because he is dealing with an untreated drug problem. That is the textbook legal way to get the most lenient possible sentence when being proven guilty and you know ther is no possible way to prove otherwise.

Kraft might be guilty of his accusations, time will tell. Regardless of how you feel about it, what Smollette did was a felony, what Kraft allegedly did is a misdemeanor.

:mademyday:

The Chicago Police have videos of Smollett. He did what he did, a felony, whether a jury (such as in the OJ fiasco) finds him guilty or not.

Apparently, the Florida sting obtained the names of about 200 clients. More shall be revealed, no doubt.

I know this. Mr. Kraft was not interested in having a "meaningful relationship". Again, there is a huge difference in genders. All two of them.

I think he was damn stupid.

I don't think most men are damn stupid, but some are enslaved by certain body parts. And so are women.

This problem has been with us since Eve ate that apple.

In the interest of fairness, the names of the operators, the women who consented to these actions should also be released if the names of the men are released. I wonder why, if they thought this was such a serious event that they waited until they entrapped 200 men when 10-20 would seem to be sufficient to make a case. If they closed down when they knew it was happening, many men whose names will be published could have been saved the embarrassment. You don’t leave the bank doors open so you can apprehend someone who may br thinking of robbing the bank.

IMO the large number of men allegedly involved were used to sensationalize the story and that is a shame.

I think this is the point, there were no consenting women. They are slaves in a human trafficking ring. Now the ring operators, I’m sure their names will be made public.

The women consented to sex. They were not forced. That would be rape and there are no such charges. Sex trafficking is just an allegation and the word “slave” is an affront to the very real travesty of slavery. Using 200 men to make their case and destroying a good man like Mr. Kraft, whose philanthropy work never made the news, is simply disgusting but expected in our new world of search and destroy journalism, particularly if you are a successful white man.

This is a pure and simple smear job. BTW I am a NY JETS fan since 1964 and have no love for the Patriots as a team.

Gawk away

Robert Kraft, Patriots owner, facing charge of soliciting another to commit prostitution | WSTM

Robert Kraft prostitution arrest: See the photo of woman accused of owning massage parlor | nj.com

AGAIN.....THIS WAS NOT A PROSTITUTION STING BUT REVOLVED AROUND HUMAN TRAFFICKING

These names were included in the earliest and first reports. The goal was the ringleaders.

Why do not people read and make sure they are informed before coming on here and passing judgment.

Kraft and others were in the wrong place at the wrong time.....got misdemeanors, but the story is about HUMAN TRAFFICKING. They made a big error in judgement and if they lived in that county they would receive a letter with a fine.

It is amazing that so many on this forum of supposed adults would try and make this about anything that what it is....it is not about Smollett, not even close....it is what it is.

Again, applaud the police.......they worked hard on this ring, and are showing success....be proud of the police.

Whether you like the Patriots, Kraft or whatever, the story is still about them being caught as part of a sting going after human trafficking.

Why are we not applauding the police ?

You are so naive it is scary !!!!! I MEAN really scary

You were both doing good up until you just made a personal attack. Not good! :boxing2: Its villagejacks opinion.

Doubt if you care at all, or would possible listen as you are judge and jury, but in the fat chance....read and get a bit educated....

https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/282798.pdf

Trafficking in Persons Report 2018

"Sex trafficking: the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, obtaining, patronizing, or soliciting of a
person for the purpose of a commercial sex act, in which the commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or
coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such act has not attained 18 years of age; (and)
• Labor trafficking: the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or
services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purpose of subjection to involuntary servitude,
peonage, debt bondage, or slavery. (22 USC § 7102)


https://ovc.ncjrs.gov/ncvrw2018/info...ing_508_QC.pdf

2018 State Department Report on Human Trafficking Released - Homeland Security Digital Library

Wake up to the real world instead of the fairyland in which you obviously dwell

You would think after the whole Covington Catholic - Nathan Phillips - Black Hebrew Israelites fiasco that people would wait for all the facts to come out before reaching a verdict. It seems that the only exercise that some people get is jumping to conclusions.

Where does it say that Mr. Kraft was directly involved in Human Trafficking? He has not had his day in court yet. The recent developments in other cases should school us to calm down until the person accused has his due process in court.

you are correct, but sick of hearing what NFL team anyone follows, or simply saying things that are not true, and in fact made up. Constant blaming the victim and in this case a VERY VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM.

To pass judegement and say "The women consented to sex. They were not forced." after so many links to read and learn how serious this is and then...

" Using 200 men to make their case and destroying a good man like Mr. Kraft, whose philanthropy work never made the news, is simply disgusting but expected in our new world of search and destroy journalism, particularly if you are a successful white man. "

These are simply quotes from one post.

Sometimes you have to get attention anyway you can if folks persist in lying on here or just ignoring facts.

So many are posting and ignoring the human trafficking situation which is damn sad. Kraft was one major name and that is how it goes when you go to a strip mall, cash in hand, TWICE....he knew he was wrong and maybe because he is a "successful white man", as stated he can find a way out........you cannot excuse his behavior, and CERTAINLY throw up any defense for those who market in human trafficking.