You were both doing good up until you just made a personal attack. Not good! :boxing2: Its villagejacks opinion.

Doubt if you care at all, or would possible listen as you are judge and jury, but in the fat chance....read and get a bit educated....

https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/282798.pdf

Trafficking in Persons Report 2018

"Sex trafficking: the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, obtaining, patronizing, or soliciting of a
person for the purpose of a commercial sex act, in which the commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or
coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such act has not attained 18 years of age; (and)
• Labor trafficking: the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or
services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purpose of subjection to involuntary servitude,
peonage, debt bondage, or slavery. (22 USC § 7102)


https://ovc.ncjrs.gov/ncvrw2018/info...ing_508_QC.pdf

2018 State Department Report on Human Trafficking Released - Homeland Security Digital Library

Wake up to the real world instead of the fairyland in which you obviously dwell

You would think after the whole Covington Catholic - Nathan Phillips - Black Hebrew Israelites fiasco that people would wait for all the facts to come out before reaching a verdict. It seems that the only exercise that some people get is jumping to conclusions.

Where does it say that Mr. Kraft was directly involved in Human Trafficking? He has not had his day in court yet. The recent developments in other cases should school us to calm down until the person accused has his due process in court.

you are correct, but sick of hearing what NFL team anyone follows, or simply saying things that are not true, and in fact made up. Constant blaming the victim and in this case a VERY VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM.

To pass judegement and say "The women consented to sex. They were not forced." after so many links to read and learn how serious this is and then...

" Using 200 men to make their case and destroying a good man like Mr. Kraft, whose philanthropy work never made the news, is simply disgusting but expected in our new world of search and destroy journalism, particularly if you are a successful white man. "

These are simply quotes from one post.

Sometimes you have to get attention anyway you can if folks persist in lying on here or just ignoring facts.

So many are posting and ignoring the human trafficking situation which is damn sad. Kraft was one major name and that is how it goes when you go to a strip mall, cash in hand, TWICE....he knew he was wrong and maybe because he is a "successful white man", as stated he can find a way out........you cannot excuse his behavior, and CERTAINLY throw up any defense for those who market in human trafficking.

Holy cow.....I cannot believe this.....all posts have clearly VERY CLEARLY defined he was caught up in this mess because he visited a massage parlor that was part of an ongoing investigation by Florida police into human trafficking.

He committed a misdemeanor (defined several times), and if lived in that county he would have received a notice in the mail (like a traffic citation) and paid a fine.

Police goal was to get the TRAFFICKERS.....THEY DID.....WHY we do not applaud the police instead of defending a stupid decision by a man who certainly knows better simply escapes me.

Just hard to accept that people, instead of applauding law enforcement for doing their job and doing it well over months, are posting how they like the Jets, or how much money Kraft gave to charity, or how it is the women's fault............all extremely minor to the real story but maybe I read differently. Dont come on here and post about law and order though.

This is from your link

“USA Today reports Kraft was one of “at least 100 men” involved in the “human trafficking ring."

Did you read it?

I said that many times....listed those rich guys in addition to Kraft who were caught up in it.....SO FAR.

You are so hung up on Kraft, you simply refuse to learn anything or learn how to put things in the proper prospective.

Since I am just getting into the subject of Human Trafficking and have a whole lot to learn admittedly, is it true Mr. Kraft was not just a guy going to a prostitute for a fling. He actually arranged the trafficking of the People Who "Worked There". Maybe not all Women, I don't think they released the Video yet! Who Knows Today?

The first question that comes to mind is how did these people who are held hostage get into our country in the first place? What they are going thru is cruel. Can it be stopped? Can it be slowed down? Won't the operation just move to another spot? Like I said I don't know but it will be interesting to learn. I think the majority of men I know play their game on their own home field not an away game like this seems to be. If it's all true it's terrible. Insane if you ask me! :ohdear:

Yes, he could have explained what the charges were against the women who operated the SPA and the women who allegedly sold their bodies for cash were.
And why they needed 200 men to make the case.

Instead as is noted in this article, it is all speculation and allegations.

Read this:

“Restriction of movement is a classic page from traffickers' playbook. IF the women working in the massage parlor were not allowed to leave the premises — and IF when they left they were accompanied and/or monitored — then this might be a trafficking case," she said. "IF we learn that their passports were taken, then we are looking at trafficking."

Brennan also made clear that the sex work itself is not a calling card of human trafficking, but rather it's the lack of autonomy.”


IF IF IF IF IF IF

I gave links to a few government agencies and tried to stay away from opinion type. I have linked a few but here are more...

Global Report on Trafficking in Persons

Human Trafficking: The Myths and the Realities

Personally, and with minor knowledge, enforcing existing laws the require certain EMPLOYER actions when hiring would help but it goes much deeper I am afraid and the entire subject is pretty much ignored.

You should contact the various law enforcement agencies in Florida and tell them how they botched this months old investigation and how your ideas are better.

I read most of them but the question is where has it been PROVEN?

Let me ask you both. What do you think this very moment as things sit now what will be the outcome for 1) The People Who Are Being Held, Hostage? 2) Mr. Kraft? 3) The others who were caught?

What do you think the outcome will be after court for all the listed above?

Those men who were caught up in this, Kraft and such, committed a misdemeanor and will be fined....they would not even have to go to court if they lived in the same county (simply get a letter and pay the fine like traffic ticket).

Those who are running the deal are charged with felonies.."The penalties for human trafficking are severe. A conviction for holding a person in peonage carries potential fines and a maximum prison term of 20 years. If a death results or the violation included kidnapping, sexual abuse, or other aggravating factors, the maximum punishment increases to life imprisonment.

Sex trafficking of children, or by fraud, force, or coercion carry enhanced penalties. Prison sentences for these offenses carry a potential life sentence and a minimum of 10 years in prison (or more, depending on the details of the offense and the victim).
The law also prohibits and punishes attempts and conspiracies relating to human trafficking. It orders the forfeit of any property used in violation of the law as well as any proceeds from the act. The law includes clauses for the mandatory payment of restitution to the victim for the full amount of their losses, as determined by the court.



Human Trafficking and Slavery - FindLaw

Bottom line as I said or someone else said....Kraft is one of many "rich white man" with power attorneys so who knows

Bottom line is simply embarrasment for all......police say they are on video so if they want that played, fight the fine