Classy. :thumbup:

Allowing human traffickers to bring people they use into the country constitutes enabling. Enable | Definition of Enable by Merriam-Webster

Kraft was possibly merely a customer, if that. He did not enable human trafficking.

Let’s face it, the only reason the trafficking case became public interest was the names of some caught in the sting. If not for Kraft, et al., it would have been a very local story. Personally, I’m glad this has gotten national attention. More people need to understand just what these women are forced to do. They are not the hookers who made a conscious decision to sell their bodies for drugs, money, food or whatever. These are women who were given no alternatives.

So far, the police have alleged that the victims were brought to America under false pretenses, their passports were withheld from them, they were poorly fed, severely abused and FORCED to have sex with men willing to pay for theses services. If you knowingly pay for the services of someone forced into a role against that person’s wishes, you are, in my book, as guilty as the person forcing them into that role. It might be worth making sure someone wants to have sex with you before you pay them. It is not a choice for many.

I don’t know if Kraft knew the girls/women were forced into their roles, but he is PROBABLY guilty as charged of solicitation. We shall see.

In the meantime, kudos to the police force for doing their job and doing it well. It will be difficult for those operating the massage parlor to claim sex did not happen given the amount of videos. Cases like this need a lot of evidence. A week or two doesn’t cut it — too easy to lay the blame on one manager that way. 200+ instances with video done at different times with different women/customers paints a very graphic picture.

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EXACTLY!! :boom:


It gives the police the time and opportunity to root out...as many scumbags involved as possible.

Frankly, with his means I wonder why Kraft didn't hop into a private jet for a quick trip to Costa Rica where prostitution is legal. Prostitution in Costa Rica - Wikipedia

Many ticos speak English as well as of course Spanish, especially in Gringo Gulch.

First of all, I accept your apologies in post

Now, I never posed here until post #23, where I said in general that we did need to wait for more information...THEN the posts started about Smollet and how sorry they felt for this man.

I asked why and got a stream of criticisms of the girls, why not legit prostitution and this is NOT about prostitution and the bigger picture of human smuggling was lost.

Hard for me to hold my tongue at that point because this is a serious problem not only in our country but throughout the world. Posters were all over the place and I attempted to deal with facts and gave links, which were obviously ignored.

Then it was turned into a P discussion, probably my fault. I simply alluded to the Jeff Epstein case which recently re entered the news, and I never thought with all the links and posts I made about the human trafficking, the links to statistics who try and show the problem beyond Kraft getting....whatever he got, and suddenly I am accused of having "contempt" for Robert Kraft and in that post we had to mention "red hats". Me, who has steadfast defended the legal position of Kraft and not once mentioned him personally have "CONTEMPT" for him......it hit me...this poster and others jumping on my case for subjects not covered in this thread, are going to make this a P discussion which it is not nor intended to be.

iT SHOULD be about Human Trafficking.....but it turned into a pity party for Kraft and a harrangue about words used....no pictures of the girls....it was the girls fault. I posted links to show that was BS because, and I know this sounds preachy, BUT I believe in TRUTH AND MORALS.

I forward that no matter how I ended it and that was shown a number of times, it was going to be pity Kraft....bad judicial, etc.

This forum is composed of adults, old enough to discuss serious issues, at least I thought so.

I did not mean to say you were conspiring in any way at all, although there is a "cult" behavior on here.......just noticed that correcting untruths became wrong somehow.

Things that don't seem to be very popular these days...by some folks. :ohdear:

STep back. Watch out for your shoes.

Where is a moderator when you need one? This thread is overdue to be closed.

I agree.

Now we are aware it was hijacked for P reasons, which I didn't realize until too late.

A topic like the trafficking of human beings turned into a defense case for some instead of caring about the victims.

It is sad, but not surprised.

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To solve any problem it has to be correctly defined. Once the Politicians and the Sensational Press get hold of a story, it becomes convoluted.so every Whorehouse is now a Sex Trafficking operation. Every Pimp is a Sex Trafficker. There is no such thing as a women selling her body for cash as a profession. “Men are the Monsters” as The NY Times noted yesterday. Let’s arrest every man who patronizes these Operations and publish their names. By no means should the women selling their bodies for cash be named or charged. Just the men. That should do it. Problem solved. Or maybe we could all take a page out of Bob Krafts book and donate to organizations that help real victims of actual sex traffickers. He gave $100,000 which was just part of the $1.6 million the New England Patriots Charitable foundation gave to various charities related to domestic violence and sexual exploitation. Or if it makes you fell better you can incessantly post on TOTV and claim that you seem to be the only one that cares about the issue of Sex Trafficking. That will do it.

Well said. Thanks.

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Or we can incessantly defend those who make human trafficking (for sex and domestic work)...possible and profitable.

Just as we prefer to ignore, those who do the hiring of undocumented workers...to increase profits.

Throw those who are willing to pay, therefore creating the 'market' in the first place, in jail...and watch how quickly the problem is dramatically reduced.

It really is THAT simple. :ohdear:

Police have over 200 videos of men having sex with these women. Nowhere have I seen list of the names of every man arrested in any news report. (Easy to find — arrest records are public records.) I have heard the names or at least job descriptions of six of the men. They are all considered prominent men of their communities. The women having sex with these men are not prominent members of any community nor, apparently, are the other 194+ plus men who are not mentioned. Kraft and his lesser known brethren are newsworthy, no one else arrested really is, except the individuals who ran the whole operation. Why would non-prominent names be listed? Because it’s not fair to the ones named?

As to what has been donated to charitable organizations, absolutely irrelevant. The fact is Krafts, et al., were caught on tape soliciting sex from women for money.

Is every prostitute a sex slave? NO. Some really do it by choice. Is every massage parlor a cheap whore house? Probably not but the vast majority seem to be. Is every woman who works at a massage parlor a victim? Probably not but I’d be willing to bet that the vast majority are. Most that work the parlors are of Asian descent, many brought here illegally. Some are more like indentured servants — pay your debt and you can go on your way. However, paying the debt of being smuggled to America is not an easy feat at less than minimum wage. This is not something new. This is common knowledge to most of us. Krafts had to have an idea of what went on, especially if he believed in human trafficking enough to donate to organizations fighting it. He is not innocent. At the very least, he helped enable the trafficking trade. To me, he is as culpable as the women who ran this massage parlor.