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CatskillBill 10-20-2013 08:55 PM

The rookie lost the game for the pats because he didn't know rule 9-1-3.


Here's the reason for the flag. For the 2013 season, the league looked at extra points and field-goal tries as they were concerned about the safety of offensive linemen who are blocking the defenders.



The league made two adjustments:

• First, it said the defensive team could not overload one side of the center with more than six players.

• Then it addressed a situation that had been discussed for years, deciding not to allow a defensive player to push one of his teammates into the offensive formation.

It makes no difference where you are originally lined up — Rule 9-1-3, the new rule, says "Team B players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation." That’s exactly what happened in this play.

I’m sure the league would rather the first-ever call of this rule would not have been at this point in the game with these ramifications, but it is the rule. It’s a player safety rule that was put in to protect offensive linemen.

villagerjack 10-20-2013 09:47 PM

About time one of these plays favored the Jets...usually it is the other way around.,In any case it is never one play or one call that is responsible for a loss. Go Jets.

DonH57 10-20-2013 09:50 PM

Thanks for the explanation of that new rule. It really threw me by suprise because I can't recall one game I've watched this year or last where I didn't see the defensive side not climbing on or pushing and shoving everyone in sight. Just never seen it called. Oh well.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 10-20-2013 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 766008)
Thanks for the explanation of that new rule. It really threw me by suprise because I can't recall one game I've watched this year or last where I didn't see the defensive side not climbing on or pushing and shoving everyone in sight. Just never seen it called. Oh well.

It's a new rule this year and evidently the league didn't think that the officials have been calling it enough so a letter and video went out to all the officials this week to be on the look out for it.

You can't argue with the call as it was correct under the rules. But officials often let small things that have no effect on the play to go by uncalled. How many times have we heard an announcer say, "That was a good non-call"?

The referees often use discretion and don't call things that don't effect the play and would have a major impact on the outcome of the game. I think that this was one of those instances.

It also is very troubling that at 14:12 of overtime one of the Jets DB committed a flagrant pass interference against Rob Gronkowski. That wasn't called and someone that I watched the game with, said that they weren't going to call stuff like that in overtime.

If they're going to call everything, then call everything. If their going to let insignificant penalties go then don't go handing the game to the Jets over a guy touching a team mate's butt.

Bosoxfan 10-20-2013 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by villagerjack (Post 766006)
About time one of these plays favored the Jets...usually it is the other way around.,In any case it is never one play or one call that is responsible for a loss. Go Jets.

You're absolutely right about one play not being responsible for a loss but this one took the last chance for a win and guaranteed the Jets a win. The refs should never determine the outcome of a game!

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 10-21-2013 08:50 AM

How about this. Evidently the rule was changed after the game to make the referee right.

» NFL Changed the Push Rule AFTER They Called It Against the Patriots Barstool Sports: Boston

DonH57 10-21-2013 09:13 AM

I've always found some of the basis for some of the rules to be confusing like this particular rule which the NFL says is for offensive line safety. Basically the wording I read is the defensive team is not eligible to block a kick in any fashion, way or form. Actually I have another question about a rule I'll post elsewhere as not to high jack this one.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 10-21-2013 07:47 PM

Evidently they don't call it every time. Maybe they only call it on missed field goals from 56 yards.

» Well Would You Look at This…The Jets Doing the Same Exact Thing As The Pats On Our Game Tying Field Goal With No Penalty Barstool Sports: Boston

DonH57 10-21-2013 08:23 PM

One thing is definately for certain. Watching the Patriots play will make you pull your hair out. That's why I keep mine cut so short. : )

kbace6 11-18-2013 08:04 AM

Tonight's MNF analysis
 
The PATS game Monday night is an interesting match up. First you have the Panthers with virtually the same kind of defense as the Bengals and Jets who are the 2 losses for the PATS. A strong front 7 who can get after the passer and a weak secondary. And the PATS for the first time all year will have a healthy offense with "Gronk", Amendola and Vereen all in the same game. I guess the real question is would CINCY and NYJ have beaten the PATS with a healthy offense? CIN 13-6, NYJ 30-27. I'm not so sure.

If it is a grinder of a game I like the Panthers, but to be honest this game could get out of hand very quickly in the PATS favor. The Panthers and their #2 rated "D" have faced 2 top 10 offenses this year. Losing to Seattle at home and beating the 49'er on the road, both low scoring affairs. The PATS with an unhealthy offense up until now are at #8. If the PATS get some scoring early, I do not think Carolina can keep up. Or will Brady be on his back most of the game? It could go either way, but give Belichick 2 weeks to prepare for a team and I like my chances, coupled with the PATS ridiculous record in the months of November and December of the past 7 years.

I like the PATS tonight. 27-17

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 11-19-2013 08:01 AM

First and one on the eight yard line with about 6:36 to play and they throw a fade route into the corner of the end zone when all three running backs are picking up three yards at will. Then they kick a field goal. I posted on me FB page at that time that you could could feel the momentum change and the game was going to be lost.
The they complain on a non call on a pass interference on the last play of the game when the ball was obviously uncatchable. If they made the first down on and eventually a touchdown on the previous series, while killing off some of the clock, the non call would have been irrelevant.
The pass call on third and one from the eight may have been the worst decision I've ever witnessed in all my years of watching the Patriots. What has happened or Bill Belichick's mind? Or is Tom Brady so pig headed that he thinks that he has to win every game by throwing a pass?
Blount was averaging 4.9 yards, Ridley 3 yards and Vereen 7 yards. Any one of them, most likely Blount, would have picked up the first down and at least guaranteed a tie.
You could see when the Panthers got the ball back, they were pumped up. Had the Patriots scored a touchdown I think it would have deflated them.
Belichick's philosophy with his bend but don't break defense is that if you keep holding the other team to field goals, you'll eventually win the game. And he has been right the vast majority of the time. How does he not see that the same applies to his own team?

kittygilchrist 11-19-2013 08:10 AM

I love watching anybody play great football, so watching the Panthers is a hoot too. Cam Newton is a hunk of a dude and how did he make that play where he ran several yards backwards and shook of several defenders. It's like he is greased.
Great game...
ps: Brady's a pighead, Boogie? that's a pun..

kbace6 11-19-2013 09:29 AM

Ridley's fault
 
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 782923)
First and one on the eight yard line with about 6:36 to play and they throw a fade route into the corner of the end zone when all three running backs are picking up three yards at will. Then they kick a field goal. I posted on me FB page at that time that you could could feel the momentum change and the game was going to be lost.
The they complain on a non call on a pass interference on the last play of the game when the ball was obviously uncatchable. If they made the first down on and eventually a touchdown on the previous series, while killing off some of the clock, the non call would have been irrelevant.
The pass call on third and one from the eight may have been the worst decision I've ever witnessed in all my years of watching the Patriots. What has happened or Bill Belichick's mind? Or is Tom Brady so pig headed that he thinks that he has to win every game by throwing a pass?
Blount was averaging 4.9 yards, Ridley 3 yards and Vereen 7 yards. Any one of them, most likely Blount, would have picked up the first down and at least guaranteed a tie.
You could see when the Panthers got the ball back, they were pumped up. Had the Patriots scored a touchdown I think it would have deflated them.
Belichick's philosophy with his bend but don't break defense is that if you keep holding the other team to field goals, you'll eventually win the game. And he has been right the vast majority of the time. How does he not see that the same applies to his own team?

Doc, to address you issues with the play calling, it is no more complicated than this. When Brady steps up to the line if he sees 8 men in the box to stop the run, he calls the pass play set up in the huddle and when there is only 7 or less he called the run. The Panther "D" is what dictated the run/pass. Obviously in the last minute of the game they could not call running plays. They needed big chunks of yards at a time and if it goes incomplete the clock stops.

I predicted Ridley would fumble last night and in my eyes that is what cost them the game. They would have at minimum gotten 3 points out of that drive which would have put them in position for a field goal at the end rather than having to force it to GRONK in the endzone.

I think Ridlley is a solid runner, but has issues with holding onto the ball. Turnovers will kill you, just like it did last night.

kbace6 11-19-2013 09:55 AM

I can't beleive the rest of the country is on the PATS side for once!

Poll Conversation - ESPN

Bosoxfan 11-19-2013 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kbace6 (Post 782984)
I can't beleive the rest of the country is on the PATS side for once!

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This Is from an ex NFL Official!!
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