[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Allegiance

You are correct. I guess the nfl is not 90% white due to discrimination.

Oh....we were told emphatically in an early post, this was not racial at all.

Interesting

[Allegiance]

If they dont like the country they could leave... Voluntarily... like all those that promised to go after the election.

[Allegiance]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Oh....we were told emphatically in an early post, this was not racial at all.

Interesting

Look and see that its your little buddy that purposely steered the thread towards racism

[Allegiance]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is usually about the money. At least, some people are talking about the issues that the protesters wanted to raise. I have a branch of my family tree which is African-American as well as Jamaican-American (depending how you use these labels) and racism is still a very deeply felt problem according to the in-laws I have had substantial conversations with. About 11 years ago my late younger brother married a woman from Jamaica who had also been a SEAL TEAM support system staffer.

The NFL Commissioner and others made a concession to both sides.

Race

[Allegiance]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Not to even mention, all of those who need to educate themselves...on the REASON kneeling was started in the first place.

Real easy for those who will never face/have never faced the discrimination and racism...that those kneeling are trying to highlight.

Those trying to change the narrative on WHY this form of protest is actually taking place...is exactly why it is needed.

And then let's talk about what those people buying beer/hotdogs/working the counters/etc. and even what the cameramen etc. are doing during the national anthem.

Why no faux outrage about them?

Never mind...we all know why.

'Flaming hypocrites'... comes to mind.

Race

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Oh....we were told emphatically in an early post, this was not racial at all.

Interesting

I just IGNORE some people. You are better off.

[spuds51]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

I came damn close to throwing something through the screen of our 60" TV when Kaperdumbass pulled his career ending stunt.

I quit watching the NFL then due to the failure of Roger Goodell to put an end to this disrespectful act toward the National Anthem and will not watch them again until this latest ruling by Goodell is strengthened to require all team members to be on the field (don't think this will ever happen so I'll not be watching the NFL anymore).

This is the post on this thread that I most agree with.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by spuds51

This is the post on this thread that I most agree with.

Well, after reading and hearing that for many this IS about race, it is a darn good thing that those Tea Party members that burnt and buried the American flag and flew it upside down were white or those elected officials who ran or run under the Tea Party banner would never get elected, if still in this country.

My bottom line is that I do not like the kneeling during the anthem and never did, however I wonder if the next group will be the concession folks, etc. In my opinion this would have run its course except for the political intrusion. There is REAL patriotism and phony forced patriotism. This issue, to me seems very forced. Many people have done things to protest whatever, which I thought was our right, but gotta stay up with the changes I suppose.

But it happened and the NFL has the right to tell its employees what to do, but I am afraid this is going to make it worse, but maybe that was the idea ?

[Kenswing]

Football is a job. Therefore you should follow the rules set forth by your employer. If a requirement of your employment is to stand during the National Anthem, you stand. If you don't agree to the requirements of your employment you are welcome to find a job elsewhere.

[joldnol]

A non issue all the way. It was nothing more than a red meat issue thrown out to distract the base.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Oh....we were told emphatically in an early post, this was not racial at all.

Interesting

Where is Rubicon who always guided these conversations toward the initial subject.

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

Football is a job. Therefore you should follow the rules set forth by your employer. If a requirement of your employment is to stand during the National Anthem, you stand. If you don't agree to the requirements of your employment you are welcome to find a job elsewhere.

So, you have a well paid job you love, your employer is Muslim and requires employees to bow to Mecca at an assigned time each day you would:
A. Bow to Mecca
B. Resign
C. Refuse, get fired, and sue the employer for wrongful termination and religious discrimination.

[Allegiance]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

So, you have a well paid job you love, your employer is Muslim and requires employees to bow to Mecca at an assigned time each day you would:
A. Bow to Mecca
B. Resign
C. Refuse, get fired, and sue the employer for wrongful termination and religious discrimination.

Not a logical argument

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

So, you have a well paid job you love, your employer is Muslim and requires employees to bow to Mecca at an assigned time each day you would:
A. Bow to Mecca
B. Resign
C. Refuse, get fired, and sue the employer for wrongful termination and religious discrimination.

That's not an apples to apples comparison. Standing for the National Anthem is not religious. Besides, the players are given an option to stay in the locker room.

It's about workplace protests. If we want to be honest it's about declining viewership. The owners know that a majority of Americans disapprove of the kneeling and are no longer watching football. All they're trying to do is protect their investment by catering to their paying customer. If there were no more paying customers there would no longer be a need for the players.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Where is Rubicon who always guided these conversations toward the initial subject.

This is one of your quotes from the thread...

"Nope. They are making it about race. It isn't." This was in post 30.

Also in post #14...you said...

"Tal, I don't think this is about race and I never have thought it was about race, but the players are trying to make it about race.



Now, I do not know the truth, but then DNA was brought up and clearly stated it WAS ABOUT RACE.

So I do not know....comments seem to indicate that the reason for the protest in the first place was racial and while that never was addressed, my assumption was/is that race then was a factor in the disruption and loud comments about the protest. We did not hear that in other use of the flag to protest, so I suppose I made some wrong assumptions.

Difficult thread....some with great fervor, it is not about race, even though the protest was about race. Then those who say the participants dna might reflect so..not sure of the exact words...but proper behavior and moral character...then clearly went to race.

So.....hard to follow.....if the original protest was about race, and it was not addressed, cant see how the fallout is not just a bit racial in nature.