[Chitown]

We just finished a cruise and have 2 more booked. I am Vaccinated and boosted. I have hade Covid twice. Once in early 2020 and 3 months ago. My symptoms were a runny nose. I do not worry about Covid whether on the cruise or anywhere else. I go to the Rec centers for crowded events and enjoy going to the squares to dance. If you are Immune compromised I can understand your caution. If not at what point do you say to yourself, I have been vaccinated and boosted and it’s time for life to go on and enjoy.

[Susan1717]

Current, people are vax’d getting covid from other vax’d people at a high rate. Natural immunity is high. I get tested every 3 to 4 months for my antibody level and it has not come down at all in 2 years! Since my vax’d friends still getting covid, I will not be getting vax’d and mess up my bodies ability to create its own immune system. I’ve never in my life had a flu shot and have not had the flu in over 20 years. There’s no one right decision for everyone. Since you can get covid just as easily from a vax’d person, it’s none of anyones business what others decide. There’s no excuse to lie if you’re currently sick…. Vax’d or not but if you’re currently non sick and healthy, no one puts you at a bigger risk based on their private vax choice.

[defrey12]

Your wife is likely allergic to albumin-based vaccines, as am I.
This vaccine is NOT albumin-based and is the only one I can take. I have a masters in biochemistry so I did what REAL scientists do…research. Easy to test for the albumin sensitivity

[toeser]

Originally Posted by Altavia

So how do they treat passengers who get COVID on the cruise?

Many of the people I know are returning from cruises with COVID. And they spent most of the cruise confined to a 78 sq ft cabin with no view. Food dropped outside their doors.

I'm not assuming the increased risk cruising with the 30% not vaccinated - so they just lost me.

This is why for a cruise next spring, I dug deep and selected a suite with a balcony.

P.S. There is now virtually no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated people for transmitting COVID to someone else.

[dougjb]

Wow! What a bunch of misinformation about the vaccine! Too many whacko's running around complaining about the vaccine and not enough getting the jab!

Personally as far as cruises go, I can't wait to go back for some more norovirus!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Susan1717

Current, people are vax’d getting covid from other vax’d people at a high rate. Natural immunity is high. I get tested every 3 to 4 months for my antibody level and it has not come down at all in 2 years! Since my vax’d friends still getting covid, I will not be getting vax’d and mess up my bodies ability to create its own immune system. I’ve never in my life had a flu shot and have not had the flu in over 20 years. There’s no one right decision for everyone. Since you can get covid just as easily from a vax’d person, it’s none of anyones business what others decide. There’s no excuse to lie if you’re currently sick…. Vax’d or not but if you’re currently non sick and healthy, no one puts you at a bigger risk based on their private vax choice.

What kind of doctor is ordering "antibody levels" every 3-4 months????? Let me guess: A "holistic doctor", a chiropractor, or a nutritionist. Quack, quack, quack. There are multiple anti-COVID antibodies, some of which confer immunity and some of which do not. I don't believe the full antibody panel is even available commercially. Short answer: The "antibody test" is essentially useless other than a wallet biopsy for the "provider"

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by toeser

This is why for a cruise next spring, I dug deep and selected a suite with a balcony.

P.S. There is now virtually no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated people for transmitting COVID to someone else.

Suggest to verify you get to stay in that balcony room rather that a 78 sq ft cell on the med deck, maybe without a window, if infected on board.

My point is the unvaccinated are 5-10 times more likely to catch COVID, increasing my risk to get there infection on board and end up running my cruise.

I also believe as several posted in this thread, the anti-vaxers don't care about anyone else and are far more likely to board with and not isolate when they have an infection.

So no cruises for me.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Altavia

I know people like you who fake the test and have boarded knowing they have COVID.

At least if vaccinated there were people who cared about others.

So no more cruises for me.

Originally Posted by Altavia

It is more likely an unvaxed person will have the virus, and probably board even if they know they have the virus.

Ask what will happen if you get the virus on board.

Twice you've accused people of knowingly spreading covid...

Even accusing people of faking tests to board a ship.

Any proof to these accusations?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Suggest to verify you get to stay in that balcony room rather that a 78 sq ft cell on the med deck, maybe without a window, if infected on board.

My point is the unvaccinated are 5-10 times more likely to catch COVID, increasing my risk to get there infection on board and end up running my cruise.

I also believe as several posted in this thread, the anti-vaxers don't care about anyone else and are far more likely to board with and not isolate when they have an infection.

So no cruises for me.

If you're no going to go an any more cruises, why are you so passionate about the issue?

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Twice you've accused people of knowingly spreading covid...

Even accusing people of faking tests to board a ship.

Any proof to these accusations?

Intentional exposure has been reported in the media and I am aware of people who have shown up to indoor gatherings knowing they have COVID.

Intentional COVID-19 spread can put you in jail or a lawsuit | Rossen Law Firm

Test faking and document falsification has bee reported in the Travel media and I am also aware people who tested until they got a negative result before a cruise.

One must be extremely naive to believe this does not happen...

People Are Faking COVID-19 Tests In Order To Travel | TravelPulse

Travelers Are Buying Fake COVID-19 Test Results on the Black Market

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

If you're no going to go an any more cruises, why are you so passionate about the issue?

Because cruise lines have taken the decision to increase the risk of their customers (friends and family) spending their time in a 78 sq ft room with no window.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by Altavia

My point is the unvaccinated are 5-10 times more likely to catch COVID,

Got a link that backs up that statement?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Got a link that backs up that statement?

Google is your friend.

[Djean1981]

Originally Posted by Altavia

So how do they treat passengers who get COVID on the cruise?

Many of the people I know are returning from cruises with COVID. And they spent most of the cruise confined to a 78 sq ft cabin with no view. Food dropped outside their doors.

I'm not assuming the increased risk cruising with the 30% not vaccinated - so they just lost me.

Everybody knows by now that the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting (or spreading) covid. If you're worried, get a vaccine right before you go.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Got a link that backs up that statement?

Many studies with similar outcomes.


Transmission of and Infection With COVID-19 Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Attendees of an Indoor Wedding Reception in Minnesota | Infectious Diseases | JAMA Network Open | JAMA Network

February 25, 2022
Transmission of and Infection With COVID-19 Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Attendees of an Indoor Wedding Reception in Minnesota

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Key Points
Question What are the characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 infection and transmission among vaccinated and unvaccinated attendees of a large indoor gathering?

Findings In this cohort study of 75 individuals, nearly half of attendees at an indoor wedding reception who were tested were infected with the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. Unvaccinated attendees had a higher risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection than vaccinated attendees, secondary transmission from vaccinated attendees to vaccinated and unvaccinated contacts was observed, and the index case was identified as an unvaccinated symptomatic child.

Meaning These findings suggest that unvaccinated people are at increased risk of contracting SARS-CoV-2 compared with vaccinated people in large social gatherings.

35% of the vaccinated vs 95% of the unvaccinated testing positive.

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"Fully vaccinated attendees had a lower risk of developing symptoms or testing positive, and the only hospitalization was among an unvaccinated adult, supporting previous data showing reduced risk of infection and severe illness among vaccinated individuals."

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