Running stop sign arrest
 

In the ************* today article about 35 year old arrested for stop sign violation on baily trail near buena vista Only stop signs are are golf cart path. I suspect time of night they suspected dui which it was. During the day everyone rolls through that stop sign by lake miona.

:shrug:;)Not only that "stop sign!" but a number of others throughout The Villages! Additionally, is it ok to roll stop signs because everyone does? Apparently, there is a need for the signs other than decorations!!!

There is a stop sign at the Baily / BV gate house. Lately the gate has been up pending repair. You are supposed to STOP. But most people do roll.


I would have to correct the OP: The person was stopped for the stop sign violation but arrested for DUI presumably.

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get rid of all gates and put up stop signs then they will mean something ???

Why not change all of the Stop signs for golf carts to Yield signs,,,just a thought.

Another thought would be, why not just stop for all stop signs and red lights, whatever one may be driving or riding!!! I do believe it's the law in most states, including Florida!!!!!

No mercy. STOP means STOP!

I can't count the number of roll thrus I witness every day I'm in the cart. Not only rolling thru the sign but not even looking to the opposite direction to which they are turning.

I hate to admit it, but I've run through more than one stop sign here -- something I would never have dreamed of doing previously. Reality is that there are too many stop signs here. Yield signs would be much more appropriate in many instances.

And, yes, I know stop means stop but if I'm on a side street and there is no traffic, slow down makes sense. Stop doesn't.

Only a suggestion
 

Stop signs are only a suggestion...don't ya think!!

We could be in Rio trying to drive or walk!
 

Driving in Rio de Janeiro


This is quite an amazing description of trying to drive in Rio.

I cannot say that I always stop here in the Villages. For instance, there are numerous stop signs in the parking lots for the banks on CR466. But, if you are there on a Sunday and there are no other vehicles, why stop? If there were a cop watching and I knew it I would stop just because with my luck it might be the only cop who does not use common sense when deciding which traffic laws to enforce.

If there is a lot of traffic or I cannot see what is around the corner, of course, I stop.

When coming up to a STOP sign in your golf cart - look around carefully.

If you see a police car nearby - by all means, STOP!

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Exactly. Well said.

I think she was arrested for a DUI and ticketed for a vehicle violation as she should be.

Very funny how people will interpret the law.

According to the prohibited village news online site, she was cited both for DUI and failure to yield (which includes running a stop sign)

Some things, people and rules can and should be disregarded. However following the rules of the road is not one of them.

Stop means all four wheels have come to a complete rest for three seconds. When people disregard stop signs and stop lights they place other people in danger. I was very close to an intersection at 466 when a woman intentionally ran a stop light. The person being discussed on this thread has no regard for other people. and the pain and suffering that can be inflicted on others and their families because of their selfish attitude

This also goes for those individuals who travel the multi-modal path above the 19.9 mph speed limit.

I have faced families who suffered the consequences of bad/intoxicated and selfish drivers and it is not a pretty sight and often brought tears to my eyes

There is virtually no protection on golf carts and so it doesn't take much to cause serious injury or death

None of us know if the young lady who rolled through the stop sign at midnight sped through without slowing or if she slowed to an almost stop. I doubt that being on the Buena Vista Trail at midnight, there would be traffic to contend with.

She was stopped for the incomplete stop by the officer. He determined she was impaired by alcohol and he arrested her. This was a good arrest and she deserves the penalty.

Hopefully, the officer would have just warned her IF she had not been drinking and had slowed to an almost stop at midnight and she posed no danger to anyone. Speeding through the stop sign would be a different story.

Common sense has to come into play.

Same with turn signals, don't ya think??! But that's another thread.:pepper2:

:22yikes:It's an epidemic

Where are all the birds when you need someone to blame

Running a stop sing or red light is a bit different than what is referred to as a rolling stop.
I see nothing wrong in most case with rolling stops. At most stop sigs here in The Villages, I can see up to a half of a mile in either direction. I going about 4-5 mph. It's really quite ridiculous to come to a complete stop with zero rotation of the wheels for three seconds in most of those cases. In fact the police will not stop or ticket people for doing because they know that they are not causing any danger. Do we really want our police wasting their time stopping and harassing people for not adhering to the letter of the law. They don't want to be wasting their time.
I agree, if people are just flying through stop signs without slowing down and there is other traffic, pedestrians, or cyclists approaching it is a huge problem. But I think that reasonable people can see the difference in two different situations.

Funny thing about STOP signs, your not in line till you STOP. :eclipsee_gold_cup:This especially confusing at FOUR WAY STOPS.:gc: Some Di####D# rolls through and give you dirty look when you are stops which means I AM IN LINE! THEN there are the one's that DON"T use Their Turning signal lights:gc:.. SO now I have to GUESS They are going STRAIGHT, BUT NO wait THEY ARE turning and look at you like you did something wrong......:shrug: Far as I am concerned COPS need to camp out at STOP signs. They would make millions in month for the county and city. From all the D#$sI^^^ running stop signs.:pepper2: AND of course you know you suppose to stop BEHIND the STOP sign not half way out in the street. Now once you STOP for the STOP sign Then that's when you can roll forward in case a bush or tree, or H2o is blocking your view.

Stop means stop...... Otherwise the sign would say slow roll!! Hey, it's the law, I didn't create it. It's a matter of integrity and honesty and safety....

I like that. Your true integrity is something only you will know and I can't fool myself.

Doc - What you see as not being wrong seems to be in conflict with Florida statutes...I hope you never have to get into that discussion with a guy who has a ticket book in his hand and is asking you for your license, registration and insurance card!

The 2013 Florida Statutes
316.003 Definitions
(51) STOP.—When required, complete cessation from movement.
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

316.123 Vehicle entering stop or yield intersection.—
(1) The right-of-way at an intersection may be indicated by stop signs or yield signs as authorized in s. 316.006.
(2)(a) Except when directed to proceed by a police officer or traffic control signal, every driver of a vehicle approaching a stop intersection indicated by a stop sign shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering the intersection. After having stopped, the driver shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle which has entered the intersection from another highway or which is approaching so closely on said highway as to constitute an immediate hazard during the time when the driver is moving across or within the intersection.
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

Rolling stops are a plague every where. Pretty pathetic when you don't have time to come to a complete stop at a STOP sign.

I am really happy that I still can identify STOP signs, it doesn't matter how many, I will and I do stop! The same counts for me regarding speed limits. When people passing me or do not stop at the signs I always smile because I feel so sorry for them.
I know that not everybody would like it what I am saying but I know also that there is always a reason that signs posted around us; at least these signs are helping us and everybody to drive/stay safe. How much time could/will I save at the end when driving faster or do not stop?

Not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign used to be called hollywooding. Now Los Angeles has stop sign cameras. Maybe a sign of things to come.

I was a Motorcycle Safety Foundation Rider Coach. One day I was ticketed while riding my motorcycle for not stopping at a stop sign even though I did what is called a Pause and Go. The cop said he never saw me put my foot down which meant I had not stopped. I went to court and showed my Coaches Manual about what is called a Pause and Go. It is a maneuver on a motorcycle where you stop both wheels for just a fraction of a second without putting your foot down and then go. The ticket was removed from my license. So make sure all your wheels are stopped even for a fraction of second.

Many times when I stop and a cart is behind me, they will stay on my rear and push me thru. Some almost are upset that I would have the nerve to stop.
Cars are much bigger than carts!

While stopping when directed to is the smart and safe thing to do, those white posts with the word "STOP" on them are not legal stop signs. Only the red octagonal stop signs are legal for traffic control according to FDOT.

We live on a corner and there are 2 stop signs. Every day I see people running the stop signs. Most slow down, but some don't. I have even seen people on bicycles just whizzing on through like the sign is not even there.

I've had a few tailgate me and start yelling because I stopped or I'm not going fast enough on the cart path and they can't pass. I find turning up the radio to drown them out throws them off their game.

I'm not arguing the letter of the law. What I'm saying is that in some cases reasonable people can do things that don't follow the letter of the law, but don't harm anyone and don't put anyone in danger. It's not just stop signs. How many of you have driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit. Do you think that everyone going 33 in a 30 mph zone should be stopped and ticketed? Some here would say yes. In fact some people might suggest that you turn yourself in and explain to the police what you did and insist that they give you a ticket. Is that reasonable?

There are many instances where the letter of the law is not followed and nothing is done about it because to take action, would be completely unreasonable. Obviously, a driver that completely blows though a stop sign or causes and accident after a rolling stop is being unreasonable, irresponsible, unsafe and causing a danger to the public.

You can post all of the laws you want and you can talk all you want about counting three seconds. To me some people can get a bit anal about these kinds of things. Some would have us believe that a driver that can see a half mile in all directions 20 yards before an intersection and slows down to 5 mph before proceeding cautiously is somehow presenting a danger to the public. To me, some people get a bit anal about some of these things.

I think that we have people in the world who think that it's their job to run around nitpicking everyone's actions and then discussing it. If little things like this bother you, I feel sorry for you. That's simply too much stress for me to deal with. I see people doing things all the time that could cause accidents if not for other drivers being alert. Slowly rolling through stop signs where it is clear that there is no traffic is not one of them.

Are you saying that people in carts have actually, physically pushed you though a stop sign?

Choices may well be based on the proposition that a 'reasonable person' is making a decision with all variables considered. With that in mind , a person chooses to act and then must face the consequences of that action. Cause and effect ,(run a light or stop sign or any other choice or decision) get a ticket. I taught Kindergarten . I taught my students the above ,choose your action, and be responsible for that action, and it's consequences. I used this as a way of explaining responsibility and respect. This should be taught at home but for the most part it became objective.

I don't disagree with that.

I so agree.

There is nothing on this earth better than a good kindergarten teacher. I am NOT teasing.

Think before you act. Follow the rules. You aren't the ONLY person in this world. For NOW, color in the lines. Learn these things and then create your own values.

I believe some never got the memo. A few minutes ago I observed a lady in a cart pass a mobility scooter that was almost at the crest of the cart bridge going up. No thought what so ever of what may be coming up the other side. I'm willing to bet her car driving is no better.