Is liberalism a mental illness?
 

I don't hate, but I truly do believe liberalism is a mental illness.

Liberals fear providing for themselves, putting their own personal capital at risk, and are overcome with intense envy of the successful. Whether this is a disorder or an illness, I am not sure. Perhaps liberalism is a spectrum disease like autism?

Liberals desire the comfort of being taken care of, plain and simple. They want cradle to grave support and protection. They fear being forced to be self-reliant. Perhaps the most annoying part of their illness is the manifestation that if only everyone would get on board with their collectivist thoughts, the world would be wonderful. They believe they are truly smarter than the previous generations of socialists, and if only everyone would trust them the world would be safe and everyone provided for.

Anyone else see things similarly, or how do you reconcile their misguided beliefs?

Omg
 

This is the sick perverted viewpoint of your beloved Tea Party. Btw, Jesus is the most liberal of us all. God help us.

Well then Jesus is down to only a handful of countries (North Korea, Cuba…)

Actually this succinct analysis is pretty much spot on ... two aspects you didn't include are 1) the need to criticize and typically trash the Country they were lucky enough to be born in (ie USA) and 2) the seeming suicidal impulses (ultimately) by failing to recognize what can only be described as obvious threats to the collective security of us all ... ie Radical Islam. Many liberals dare not speak it's name ... truly insane.

Excellent additions!

Nearly spit out my coffee reading how the community organizer thinks radical Islamic terrorists behead and savagely kill because of poor job opportunities and lack of capitol to start a business. :mornincoffee:

He's got to be mentally ill. And how about ole "foot in mouth Joe" feeling up the new defense secretary's wife! :eek: CREEPY!

Evidently someone finally finished reading their Michael Savage book.

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I do not find liberalism to be a mental disorder at all.

I would perhaps agree if it said....radical liberalism as preached from the WH. Remember this President was only in the senate a very very short time and was chosed the most liberal senator in years.

It is radical.....those liberals who used to meet conservatives at the middle or slightly to one side or another are not in charge.

Some consider liberalism to be a moral imperative: "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, so you do unto me."

Your moral imperative translated into liberal reality: under threat of imprisonment, confiscate from the hard-working in order to redistribute to the lazy.

Herein lies the problem with our current political climate. Assuming this person is serious and not just a troll, he/she shows absolutely no respect for or understanding of, the other side. He/she will probably answer that that is because they deserve no respect, which is ridiculous. The truth is many if not most liberals and moderates don't expect a handout from anyone, while many so-called conservatives take advantage of every handout available. Warren Buffet is considered a left leaning moderate and is not exactly looking to get ADA or food stamps. Most liberals are people who don't think they have all the answers, but realize that some people are not able for whatever reason, to make it, at least temporarily, without help. They generally realize that there are a small percentage who game the system at BOTH ends of the economic scale, but that doesn't mean that the baby should be thrown out with the bathwater. They generally think that abortion is abhorrent, but that they should not make that decision for everyone else. They generally believe that gun ownership should be protected, but that they should not be available through shows and individuals without background checks, and that open carry should be regulated. Most are not gay, and would prefer their family members were not, but accept that some people are gay, and deserve to live their lives without harassment or interference. Many are successful and pay lots of taxes, but understand that is the price they pay to have the kinds of infrastructure and services we have in this country. Some liberals are mentally ill as are some conservatives, but to think that liberalism is a mental illness is so offensive and so arrogantly ignorant that I find it hard to believe that it was not posted by a troll.

I don't think conservatives are necessarily mentaally ill, but I think they are often narrow-minded, prone to prejudice, selfish, and mean-spirited. :grumpy:Ì

While much of what you say I can agree with, when you make such generalizations, you step out the line in my opinion.

People are people. My problem is, first of all, on this TOTV board, the liberal folks just slam at people on a personal level and respect nobody. They think that any criticism of the President, the most criticized position in the world no matter who is in that chair, is some sort of personal racist rant. They appear, and I know it is not true of all liberals on TOTV, but those that post do not seem to know anything about what is going on and are in the automatic mode of name calling no matter what.

Outside of TOTV, there are a lot of great liberals, equal to the great conservatives. Right now, on both sides there is much too much of the radical. The President is and always has been radical and I think he is proud of that. Our country is NOT radical to either side thus our divide.

I think such general comments such as you make are not fair to anyone. I am a conservative Republican and care about other people...am not a racist in anyway...am not selfish. I think that applies to most conservatives and liberals.

TOTV, at least those that post will never support intelligent and open political debate or conversation on issues until those who are posting now with the small uninformed glib comments are either thrown off the board or somehow find the light to get enlightened...NOT CHANGE PARTIES....NOT EVEN CHANGE HOW THEY FEEL, but stop the constant and ongoind personal slams,the constant referall to polls and the like. If they would simply read and find where there is agreement or disagreement and post that it would be great, but this constant school yard crap is just old...real old.

Evidently, the OP spends a lot of time on Topix.

It must be nice to go through life so blissfully oblivious. Most liberals are very proud Americans and many have served their country with honor, unlike Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump and on and on. They usually realize that America is not perfect and that other countries have found there are better ways of doing some things, although the USA is still the best overall. They also aren't so stupid as to lump all members of a legitimate religion into a group with the most radical handful of that group.

You didn't quote my post, but it seemed like you were responding to it in the bolder statement. Did you notice that I said conservatives are OFTEN......::. If that does not represent your positions, then you would be one of the ones that are not.

First of all, let me be clear. I posted on TOPIX a few months ago when there were folks after one of the regular TOTV posters....that was the only time

Do I read there....sometimes, mostly based on calls from friends of mine up north who read it for enjoyment. They enjoy reading and then trashing me about the folks who live in The Villages. They think, as I do, that it is funny.

Problem I always have had with that garbage dump is that you, and probably...not probably, for sure also post there. They have said some disgusting things, and I posted earlier about the liberals on TOTV, not all liberals...Almost all of the trash posts on TOPIX are from liberal posters on this board. I KNOW who some are but not all.

That is my exposure to TOPIX. It is like watching a car crash and I am usually motivated to to there when I get an email or phone call from a buddy up north. He thinks the names used and the language to be quite unusual.

Thats it......and thanks for validating my earlier comments

PS....And I am NOT THE OP ON THIS THREAD !!!! But I have an inkling who you are....is it not amazing how we all have our own little mannerisms in posting so I need to make that clear to you.

And whomever posted this plays right into the hand of the pre conceived notion of that portion of TOTV that ascribes to liberalism. If only the time and effort used to demean people would be used to discuss actual issues facing this country .

If you will agree that radical on both sides of the aisle are wrong then we are good. Most on here will not agree with that. If you criticize the President, you are a right wing nut job..simple as that or maybe add racist.

And I realize that there are some who think all liberals just want to spend all the money, etc, etc etc.

I rebuke both of those, and my problem at present is the liberals that post on here, not in general.....heck, my liberal friends find this place quite amusing :) because I have read posts from some on here along with the post to which they are responding. That is my way of getting them back for their verbal abuse:)

Yowza!

Are you lashing out at any post in particular, or just venting pent up nonsense?

Amusing ... right out of Liberal Indoctrination 101 ... keep it up

I, personally, agree wholeheartedly that the radicals, or extremes at both ends of the political spectrum are often wrong, misguided, and unreasonable. I am no more a fan of Sharpton than I am of Coulter. I often disagree with the President, but do not think it is reasonable to imply that, as the result of that disagreement, he must be Un-American, or somehow illegitimate. I did not vote for McCain or Romney, but considered voting for each and thought they could potentially have made good chief executives. (McCains choice of running mate made it impossible for me to cast a vote for him). The vitriol toward the president, and liberals in general is what, in my opinion, triggers the seeming off-topic hit and run posts we see, as a way of retaliating. The very topic of this thread is so misguided and obnoxious that it hardly deserves a reasoned response.

Well said

I agree with much of what you say, and especially on the title of this thread.

I think this country is scared. Afraid. I, myself have absolutely no problem with someone disagreeing with me on anything. THAT is what keeps us young and learning.

I have passed accolades to the President many times and even on this new forum, have given him credit for the economic crisis fix.

But I ask that you read the serious threads on serious subjects....and I have started a few of them. YES, they start often with criticism of our policy as I see it. Topics such as fear of Iran throughout the world, a thread on the KOCH brothers brought on because I was tired of hearing little barbs all the time and thought is should be discussed, about the world attacking jews worldwide, etc and etc.

Most, if not all were met with POLL numbers, slams on Walker (not sure of why that is the big thing now) and just started a thread tonight simply asking what folks think about any future Iran agreement and the role that congress should play. I gave NO comments, simply asked the question, and the post that came back did not opine on that but very defensivly asked about other treaties as if that meant something.

Those kind of responses, and I admit to it, make me angry at the immaturity that people who live in the same place as me can manifest. I can discuss politics on many national forums but always have prefered to do it with my neighbors and I do it in person and on the phone with both conservative and liberals and THIS FORUM is the ONLY place where this takes place.

One more thing. President Obama is the President of the United States. By his own admission that makes him the biggest target of criticism in the entire world. Yet, any criticism of him on this forum is met again with poll results and it is treated as if it were a football game instead of adults discussing current events.

Folks should have a place to vent, if you will, on any current events and the situation in the world today is scary, I think you will agree. I find nothing racist, biased, radical, or anything wrong with people expressing those fears and lets admit it...this President by ANY AND ALL comparisons is doing things that were never done in a way that was never used. Thus questions and if someone backs him they should come on here in a leveled way and explain WHY they back him.

Said enough, but I do agree that the radical verbal spars from both sides are just a total waste of time.

The entire liberal platform is: confiscate from the successful, and give to anyone that's NOT successful. Let's have 25 separate and duplicating programs for the food/housing/energy/job/emotional/child whatever help-you programs. If you don't feel like working for the next 40 years, no problem, rely on your neighbors!

When the nation first began, we had NONE of these programs and somehow the nation survived. Hmmm… churches, civic organizations...

I would rather starve to DEATH than force my neighbors to pay my way. That's the exact OPPOSITE of liberalism. You know, the whole, "It takes a village to raise a child thing." How about we all take care of our own business?

As far as taxes: why not levy a tax on all citizens? No income tax, just a fair and equal citizen tax on every living being in the country. We all pay the same, regardless of means for a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk. What happens if you can't afford to pay the citizen tax? Well, the same as if you can't afford your current tax bill: PRISON!

Why penalize those that have worked harder to become more educated or more skilled? For the good of society, a socialists wet dream, we should tax the lower educated, the lower skilled, thus the laziest and least productive in society at the HIGHEST rate, not the lowest. This would incentivize their achievement. This would benefit the collective the most.

Similarly, when a sales tax is proposed, I think there should be a tiered sales tax. Those who purchase the MOST, pay the LEAST, as a percentage….as a means to incentivize greater spending and thus greater economic activity.

How could anyone possibly argue with these proposals that would MOST BENEFIT the collective?

Why
 

Would you attempt to speak for liberals as to what they want? You have absolutely no clue as demonstrated by your post. Does being an ultra right wing conservative give you special knowledge or insight into what others think or actually invision for OUR country? No, and for the record I have no clue what you want, but I do know what you have demonstrated for six years, and that makes us sad!

I believe this party affiliation "thing" is being carried to a fault. Some posts like the one above give the impression that left or right, conservative or liberal and democrats or republicans are different species from different planets that could in no way understand what the other wants or needs.

How about approaching an issue the old fashioned way? How about we figure out what we AMERICANS want or need?

Under the primise usually seen in a political environment when there is a community need we should be dividing the room into democrats and republicans and God help us if there is a smattering of other than those two.
Now just how effective would that be?

Sounds stupid right?

Then why is it OK to do so when discussing the needs of the country.

Some how or another we have to get back to the fact the reality of everyday life for most of us is not politically driven.

The expectation seems to be to treat politics like sports and get behind one team or another. With one exception. Sports fans seem to have found a way to co-exist with the opposition.

This need for win-lose....and tearing down anybody or any group that does not align with one or anothers beliefs is total and absolute BS. That is not how life is lived.

And we all know that no matter how we pull together or not there will always be a radical element that churns the system. They are the miirity representation of any group. Yet we allow such radicals to dictate how we live life. I say BS to that as well.

I have never ever attended any organization, club or society or group or church or whatever where there was a need to know the party affiliation of each other to perform.

Let us try to not sucumb to the disease that currently afflicts politics in general. That of shying away from viewing the merits of people or projects or proposals and instead resort to dissing, sniping, degrading, name calling.

How about demanding politicans spend their time educating us about them. And not the tearing down and dirt digging of the other guy.

As for the radicals....well just look at the middle east and see what happens when a minority group pushes the majority around....including slaughtering and killing of innocents. Not the same? Yes it is. We just haven't devolved to the point of drawing blood to win anything....yet.

This post doesn't deserve a reasonable response, but nonetheless, I will attempt one.

Okay, if you are a troll and presented it as satire, you got me to bite. If, on the other hand, you believe what you've presented I hate to have to share the atmosphere with you.

One of the consequences of anonymity on this board is the potential for people to make posts posing as someone having incredible, radical and volatile opinions that stir passions but are totally fabricated. They can then sit back and enjoy the carnage.

I, for one, would like to hear from a knowledgeable liberal, WHAT it is they do want ... what they envision as you put it. After that, I would like to hear HOW they believe it could be done. Maybe in a new thread if not this one.

Agree ... and another reason to eliminate the "Guest" feature which, which however positive the intent, does not seem, in practice, to offer that much benefit to the forum. The forum is interesting, and would be more so and probably result in higher traffic, without "Guest" etc

I don't know if liberals are sick, but I think they lack morals. How else can one explain their 100% acceptance and support of their political leaders no matter if they have been convicted of a felony, caught in a police sting, accused of rape, caught lying under oath, involved in underage sex scandals. How else can you explain their hypocrisy regarding "paying your fair share of taxes", then using very tax loophole, and then some, to pay minimum taxes (Warren Buffet comes to mind), or not paying any taxes at all (the Reverend). Not to mention how over-the-top angry they get during any political discussion.

"...They favor programs such as head start, tuition grants, and job training…"


Head Start is a HUGE waste of money. Google all of the studies supporting this. UCLA economics department did one of the latest.

As far as tuition grants…why should I and all of my neighbors pay for YOUR child to attend school? How about YOU get a job and pay for YOUR child or your child gets a job and takes out school loans like the rest of us.

Job training - I assume you mean FREE job training? Nope. Again, how about the student or the parent get a job and pay for training like the rest of us did! Why is it my responsibility (as a taxpayer) to train YOUR child for a job?

This is exactly my point with libs. They come up with all these programs, handouts, grants, gifts and confiscate the wealth of common hard-working citizens to pay for it. How about YOU pay for YOUR choices in life and quit forcing me and my neighbors to.

This bs will ever end as long as we have two parties system, lobbyist, and electoral votes. As far as liberals IMO and "I can have opinion" John Wayne summed them up best 60 years ago.

There does often seem to be an element of some type of liberal "rage" for lack of a better term. Have always wondered where it stems from

It is sad how we hate each other. Is there nothing we can agree on.

I support SS & Medicare so I am a socialist.

I support work for money and apose welfare so I am conservative.

I feel we need some issues to be made law at the Federal level so I am a communist.

Please tell me what group I should join when the shooting starts.

I think the above posts are sort of just hateful. I feel that we all started out pretty liberal in our political views and as we worked and learned and experienced life and became more successful, became a little more realistic about what our young and wonderful ideas could and should accomplish.

I think liberalism is appropriate and expected and very lovely in young and caring people. But if we stay in that mindset, we cannot get things done, deal with real issues, really help people and continue to take care of ourselves and others.

We all need to have a caring attitude, with a realistic plan...and work hard so that we can be financially secure so that people can look down on us.

Extremely arrogant and naive viewpoint. In other words we become more cynical and selfish as we age - actually some of us don't, and we actually deal with real issues and really help people.

If you're under 30 and you're a republican, you have no heart. If you're over 30 and you're a democrat, you have no brain.

And worst of all, virtually all liberals believe in the catastrophic man made global warming fraud.

I believe in it, and I am a Republican, but I cannot see how laws and rules can change it much. People aren't going to stop driving, no matter how many emissions controls are used. People aren't really going to reuse and save the way we used to.