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rjcataniajr 03-25-2015 07:45 PM

To be or not to be-TV Antennas installed outside
 
This article was taken from the POA January Bulletin
Questions & Answers November's 2014 Forum.

>3) I had heard that there was a small group
of individuals who had received permission to
install external TV antennas on their homes in
order to receive ‘free’ television viewing.
Have you heard anything about this? A)

We are not aware of this situation which would
likely involve the resident’s deed restrictions,
but we will contact District Staff for a response.
District Staff responded that, "…
television antennas fall under the same guidelines
as the satellite antennas. The Federal
Communication Act supersedes any deed restrictions
which states the communication device
may be placed in the location where a
signal may be reached. I am 'assuming' the
question refers to the 'old' type antennas
which is 'free' television, but you are only receiving
your 'local' station…there certainly
would not be any HBO, ESPN, etc…. The installation
of an antenna does not require ARC
approval. Many residents call and ask where
the antenna can be installed. We give the suggested
guidelines and inform them that if they
want to attach it to the side of a home or roof
that they may want to check with the home
warranty department to make sure that it will
not violate the warranty on their home. But
yes…the 'old' type of television antennas may be installed."<

So,what do y'all think about the quote"The Federal
Communication Act supersedes any deed restrictions
which states the communication device
may be placed in the location where a
signal may be reached
????

graciegirl 03-25-2015 07:51 PM

Welcome to the forum. What is your point?

Sometimes people move here not used to deed restrictions of any kind and they feel, well, restricted.. You will find that deed restrictions are your friend. They keep unusual and not so lovely things from springing up in neighborhood yards and protect the overall value of your property. I very much like the deed restrictions here and it is one of the reasons we chose to live here.

villagetinker 03-25-2015 07:54 PM

I have seen several articles, that state the HOA's, etc, can NOT stop a person from installing an outdoor antenna to receive over the air TV signals, feel free to Google this for yourself. If I can find it, I know I copied and saved one of the articles.

Carl in Tampa 03-25-2015 08:11 PM

Not worth the trouble.
 
There are lots of federal laws that preempt state and local laws and, as in this case, Home Owner's Association rules.

To simplify the issue, it is permitted to install an external antenna in order to receive over-the-air commercial television broadcasts. There are some restrictions and limitations on size for reception dishes, and other minor compromises on aesthetics.

The more cogent question is why would you want to do this? Since television signals are now digital and since The Villages is a considerable distance from over-the-air stations, the likelihood of success is low. Further, at most you might receive three major stations.

If you can't afford basic cable, listen to the radio and read the newspaper for news. Go to the town squares for entertainment. Read a good book. Visit with friends and neighbors.

This antenna thing is a non-issue.

Carl in Tampa 03-25-2015 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 1034728)
I have seen several articles, that state the HOA's, etc, can NOT stop a person from installing an outdoor antenna to receive over the air TV signals, feel free to Google this for yourself. If I can find it, I know I copied and saved one of the articles.

Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule | FCC.gov

tuccillo 03-25-2015 08:48 PM

An attic mounted antenna has a good chance of pulling in all of the Orlando stations. I am on the south side and I pull in 50 stations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjcataniajr (Post 1034719)
This article was taken from the POA January Bulletin
Questions & Answers November's 2014 Forum.

>3) I had heard that there was a small group
of individuals who had received permission to
install external TV antennas on their homes in
order to receive ‘free’ television viewing.
Have you heard anything about this? A)

We are not aware of this situation which would
likely involve the resident’s deed restrictions,
but we will contact District Staff for a response.
District Staff responded that, "…
television antennas fall under the same guidelines
as the satellite antennas. The Federal
Communication Act supersedes any deed restrictions
which states the communication device
may be placed in the location where a
signal may be reached. I am 'assuming' the
question refers to the 'old' type antennas
which is 'free' television, but you are only receiving
your 'local' station…there certainly
would not be any HBO, ESPN, etc…. The installation
of an antenna does not require ARC
approval. Many residents call and ask where
the antenna can be installed. We give the suggested
guidelines and inform them that if they
want to attach it to the side of a home or roof
that they may want to check with the home
warranty department to make sure that it will
not violate the warranty on their home. But
yes…the 'old' type of television antennas may be installed."<

So,what do y'all think about the quote"The Federal
Communication Act supersedes any deed restrictions
which states the communication device
may be placed in the location where a
signal may be reached
????


Villager Audio Video 03-25-2015 09:59 PM

Yes the FCC says you can mount an OTA antenna outside of your home and no HOA can govern against that ruling.

I've installed over 100 antennas in The Villages with excellent results. You need a very large Ultra Long Range UHF antenna mounted up high if you want any success.

With that said I Will NOT mount an OTA antenna outside. I install them in the attic. I live in The Villages and I don't want to see them, I'm sure your neighbors don't want to seem them either. They are not attractive.

Midvale 03-26-2015 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VillagesAV.com (Post 1034813)
Yes the FCC says you can mount an OTA antenna outside of your home and no HOA can govern against that ruling.

I've installed over 100 antennas in The Villages with excellent results. You need a very large Ultra Long Range UHF antenna mounted up high if you want any success.

With that said I Will NOT mount an OTA antenna outside. I install them in the attic. I live in The Villages and I don't want to see them, I'm sure your neighbors don't want to seem them either. They are not attractive.

How do you handle homes with no attics?

kcrazorbackfan 03-26-2015 10:04 AM

Before the advent of cable TV or satellite, does anyone remember seeing neighborhoods displayed in magazines, in the movies, on TV showing every homes with OTA antennas stuck up in the air? With all the beauty that we see when we enter The Villages, is that something you want to see? For me, it's a resounding "HELL NO". NO. OTA. TV. ANTENNAS.

MrGolf 03-26-2015 10:42 AM

You are receiving 50 stations with an antenna mounted in your attic area? That is great. I am assuming all major networks are included, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX etc. how is the reception. Don't know anything about this but would expect no HD? correct?

tuccillo 03-26-2015 11:28 AM

Yes, 50 stations in HiDef from an attic mounted antenna. We mostly watch the major stations (ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX). There are a bunch of religious and spanish channels also. Tom at TheVillagesAV.com installed it for us. I believe this is the model Tom installed:

https://www.antennasdirect.com/store...v-antenna.html

We also stream a lot of stuff off the internet with Roku boxes.

Tom is the "go to guy" for anything audio and video.



Quote:

Originally Posted by MrGolf (Post 1035000)
You are receiving 50 stations with an antenna mounted in your attic area? That is great. I am assuming all major networks are included, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX etc. how is the reception. Don't know anything about this but would expect no HD? correct?


MikeV 03-26-2015 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1034725)
Welcome to the forum. What is your point?

Sometimes people move here not used to deed restrictions of any kind and they feel, well, restricted.. You will find that deed restrictions are your friend. They keep unusual and not so lovely things from springing up in neighborhood yards and protect the overall value of your property. I very much like the deed restrictions here and it is one of the reasons we chose to live here.

Yes, that's what I was gonna say. :wave:

samhass 03-26-2015 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1034744)
There are lots of federal laws that preempt state and local laws and, as in this case, Home Owner's Association rules.

To simplify the issue, it is permitted to install an external antenna in order to receive over-the-air commercial television broadcasts. There are some restrictions and limitations on size for reception dishes, and other minor compromises on aesthetics.

The more cogent question is why would you want to do this? Since television signals are now digital and since The Villages is a considerable distance from over-the-air stations, the likelihood of success is low. Further, at most you might receive three major stations.

If you can't afford basic cable, listen to the radio and read the newspaper for news. Go to the town squares for entertainment. Read a good book. Visit with friends and neighbors.

This antenna thing is a non-issue.

Wow. So if I can't afford basic cable, I should just forget about watching anything off air? Sorry, but your comment seemed harsh to the many folks that can't afford cable.

Paper1 03-26-2015 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samhass (Post 1035134)
Wow. So if I can't afford basic cable, I should just forget about watching anything off air? Sorry, but your comment seemed harsh to the many folks that can't afford cable.

This forum can be very harsh at times. You raise a very good question. The problem is we have too many people here that are willing to bend over and grab their ankles whenever the cable or satellite providers ask them to. Keep posting as you will get some good information.

graciegirl 03-26-2015 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper1 (Post 1035269)
This forum can be very harsh at times. You raise a very good question. The problem is we have too many people here that are willing to bend over and grab their ankles whenever the cable or satellite providers ask them to. Keep posting as you will get some good information.


Lovely analogy.

I would think that anyone who has read Carl in Tampa long enough would know that he is reasonable in his posts. Very few who live in The Villages go without enhanced TV. We can bring in all sorts of red herrings but it seems that the point the OP is trying to make is the federal guidelines trump the deed restrictions.

Most of us like the deed restrictions.

mickey100 03-26-2015 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper1 (Post 1035269)
This forum can be very harsh at times. You raise a very good question. The problem is we have too many people here that are willing to bend over and grab their ankles whenever the cable or satellite providers ask them to. Keep posting as you will get some good information.

Agree. Not everyone here has unlimited funds,and believe it or not, there are some retirees who are pinching their pennies. This information might be useful for them.

graciegirl 03-26-2015 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samhass (Post 1035134)
Wow. So if I can't afford basic cable, I should just forget about watching anything off air? Sorry, but your comment seemed harsh to the many folks that can't afford cable.

There are many choices and trade offs. Most people living in TV are able to have enhanced TV .The OP's point was that federal regulations trumped our local deed restrictions. Why he made the point I am not sure.

villagetinker 03-26-2015 08:43 PM

There were a few previous threads that indicated some good luck with an outdoor antenna. I never got around to trying as the websites that I looked at indicated the reception was marginal in my location (Pinellas). Most of the stations appear to be in the Orlando area, so I suspect the installers are aiming the antennas in that direction, however, I think there were some in other locations, which would require a rotor.

Villager Audio Video 03-26-2015 09:00 PM

You don't want a rotor. All the local station for this area are out of Orlando in a cluster. In Pinellas you're about 117-119 degrees. You don't want the channels to the north as Jacksonville weather won't help us down here.

redwitch 03-26-2015 09:16 PM

So, what would you recommend for those who live in manufactured homes? An antenna in the attic is not an option and I doubt anyone would want to have an antenna in their home. Wouldn't this leave the extended type for them?

velcro 03-26-2015 09:19 PM

I am very easily confused. With all this talk about attics & tall antennas with rotors I forgot, can you put up a dish outside or not?:loco:

Villager Audio Video 03-26-2015 09:19 PM

Ya, I guess that's all you can do. However if you plan on having Internet, you can sign up on a Comcast Internet only plan for $19.99 per month (for 12 months) and you won't need an antenna

Call me for details

tuccillo 03-27-2015 05:09 AM

Yes, you can have a sat disk - lots of folks around where I am have DirectTV and Dish Network - small sat dishes mounted either on their roof or a pole by the side of their house.

Quote:

Originally Posted by velcro (Post 1035384)
I am very easily confused. With all this talk about attics & tall antennas with rotors I forgot, can you put up a dish outside or not?:loco:


Carla B 03-27-2015 08:26 AM

We dumped cable TV over a year ago. It's not only a question of affordability, it's what you choose to spend money on. We'd flip through channels and find little of interest on Comcast TV. And all the while the rates were increasing.

When the TV bill approached the electric bill, that's when we cut out Comcast TV.

Steve9930 03-27-2015 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjcataniajr (Post 1034719)
This article was taken from the POA January Bulletin
Questions & Answers November's 2014 Forum.

>3) I had heard that there was a small group
of individuals who had received permission to
install external TV antennas on their homes in
order to receive ‘free’ television viewing.
Have you heard anything about this? A)

We are not aware of this situation which would
likely involve the resident’s deed restrictions,
but we will contact District Staff for a response.
District Staff responded that, "…
television antennas fall under the same guidelines
as the satellite antennas. The Federal
Communication Act supersedes any deed restrictions
which states the communication device
may be placed in the location where a
signal may be reached. I am 'assuming' the
question refers to the 'old' type antennas
which is 'free' television, but you are only receiving
your 'local' station…there certainly
would not be any HBO, ESPN, etc…. The installation
of an antenna does not require ARC
approval. Many residents call and ask where
the antenna can be installed. We give the suggested
guidelines and inform them that if they
want to attach it to the side of a home or roof
that they may want to check with the home
warranty department to make sure that it will
not violate the warranty on their home. But
yes…the 'old' type of television antennas may be installed."<

So,what do y'all think about the quote"The Federal
Communication Act supersedes any deed restrictions
which states the communication device
may be placed in the location where a
signal may be reached
????

The Federal Law does superceed any deed restrictions as long as the antenna is mounted on the roof of the house. These fights have already been adjudicated to the highest court in the land. This also includes Amateurs Radio Equipment. Now that being said that does not mean you will not have to go to court to fight it. Anybody with a way to the court house and $75 can start the proceedings. Who has more resources you or the POA. I have installed TV antennas in my attic and I can get all the networks.

graciegirl 03-27-2015 09:35 AM

Is someone looking for grounds for a class action suit?

Vladimir 03-27-2015 09:50 AM

Yipes! I sure would not like to see roof top antennas here - in NYC it fits but not here. In TV I have also seen short wave radio poles/antennas mounted in the front yard and wires running back to the house and it sure looks bad but evidently it is allowed even though the signals were knocking out neighborhood circuit breakers. I like deed restrictions and developer control and it is not a secret that there are restrictions when one buys here.

Steve9930 03-27-2015 10:04 AM

While the neighbors may not like the fact you installed an outdoor TV antenna they will not have any other recourse but to live with it and to ban you from the neighborhood parties. But here is something to remember, we live in a huricain zone. If you decide to take this route please have it professionally installed taking into account the fact that the big wind will be here someday. Never know they may dislike the fact that you are putting up an antenna so bad they just might pay for your cable or satellite dish.. ��

NavyNJ 03-27-2015 10:09 AM

Well....I think it might be time to get to Radio Shak before they close all their stores and pick up some coils, transisters and a capacitor or two.....and maybe a voltage magnifier, and build a little radio signal jammer in case any of these things pop up near us! lol

Steve9930 03-27-2015 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NavyNJ (Post 1035625)
Well....I think it might be time to get to Radio Shak before they close all their stores and pick up some coils, transisters and a capacitor or two.....and maybe a voltage magnifier, and build a little radio signal jammer in case any of these things pop up near us! lol

I hope you enjoy institutional food.

graciegirl 03-27-2015 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1035621)
While the neighbors may not like the fact you installed an outdoor TV antenna they will not have any other recourse but to live with it and to ban you from the neighborhood parties. But here is something to remember, we live in a huricain zone. If you decide to take this route please have it professionally installed taking into account the fact that the big wind will be here someday. Never know they may dislike the fact that you are putting up an antenna so bad they just might pay for your cable or satellite dish.. ��


What do they do in Stonecrest, Steve?

looneycat 03-27-2015 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1034744)
There are lots of federal laws that preempt state and local laws and, as in this case, Home Owner's Association rules.

To simplify the issue, it is permitted to install an external antenna in order to receive over-the-air commercial television broadcasts. There are some restrictions and limitations on size for reception dishes, and other minor compromises on aesthetics.

The more cogent question is why would you want to do this? Since television signals are now digital and since The Villages is a considerable distance from over-the-air stations, the likelihood of success is low. Further, at most you might receive three major stations.

If you can't afford basic cable, listen to the radio and read the newspaper for news. Go to the town squares for entertainment. Read a good book. Visit with friends and neighbors.

This antenna thing is a non-issue.

since the HOA has no teeth and makes no rules here how is it a HOA issue?

graciegirl 03-27-2015 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1035640)
since the HOA has no teeth and makes no rules here how is it a HOA issue?


I am guessing he MEANT Deed Restrictions. AND we will never hear from the OP again. One post and nada.

Steve9930 03-27-2015 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1035635)
What do they do in Stonecrest, Steve?

There are a few houses that have TV antennas. A couple that actually have a tower in the back yard.

Today there are some high tech TV antennas that are not much larger then a satellite dish. I personally have not tryed one of these but I have talked with some people that have and they indicated they work very well.

Here are few things people may not know. Your cable company gets charged by the TV station for putting that free signal on the cable.

Cable companies are now allowed to scramble all their signals on the cable. In the near future just hooking up your TV to the cable will be a thing of the past. You will need a cable box even for the most basic cable services. Which means more revenue for the cable companies.

If you decide to use an antenna to receive tv, channel 2 is on the VHF band not the UHF band. You will also know when there is bad weather in the Orlando and Daytona areas because you will get lots of pixalation on the screen. Digital although gives you a nice picture has its draw backs. Just like any good idea there is also a negative side.

I have my antennas in my attic. I get NBC, CBS, and FOX shooting to the South East. I pick up ABC shooting towards Ocala. Its amazing as sometimes Tampa actually comes in quite strong.

There are also lots of new independed channels that ride the digital signals from these main networks. Since the signal can have many subchannels like 2.1, 2.2, 2.3...etc etc. There are old movie channels and lots of new stuff. Some you see on the cable some you do not.

It is very interesting what is out there to watch, for free!

dewilson58 03-27-2015 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1035657)
There are a few houses that have TV antennas. A couple that actually have a tower in the back yard.

Today there are some high tech TV antennas that are not much larger then a satellite dish. I personally have not tryed one of these but I have talked with some people that have and they indicated they work very well.

Here are few things people may not know. Your cable company gets charged by the TV station for putting that free signal on the cable.

Cable companies are now allowed to scramble all their signals on the cable. In the near future just hooking up your TV to the cable will be a thing of the past. You will need a cable box even for the most basic cable services. Which means more revenue for the cable companies.

If you decide to use an antenna to receive tv, channel 2 is on the VHF band not the UHF band. You will also know when there is bad weather in the Orlando and Daytona areas because you will get lots of pixalation on the screen. Digital although gives you a nice picture has its draw backs. Just like any good idea there is also a negative side.

I have my antennas in my attic. I get NBC, CBS, and FOX shooting to the South East. I pick up ABC shooting towards Ocala. Its amazing as sometimes Tampa actually comes in quite strong.

There are also lots of new independed channels that ride the digital signals from these main networks. Since the signal can have many subchannels like 2.1, 2.2, 2.3...etc etc. There are old movie channels and lots of new stuff. Some you see on the cable some you do not.

It is very interesting what is out there to watch, for free!

I spent $110 on an antenna from Best Buy. It's also aimed Southeast. I do like the sub-channels as well............good old time movies. Coverage is not perfect, but I enjoy. (have not tried aiming towards Ocala.

Steve9930 03-27-2015 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1035669)
I spent $110 on an antenna from Best Buy. It's also aimed Southeast. I do like the sub-channels as well............good old time movies. Coverage is not perfect, but I enjoy. (have not tried aiming towards Ocala.

The antenna I would like to try is an amplified antenna with a built in rotor. I believe it would fit in my attic. This the antenna I had spoken to an individual that had used one. They were very pleased with their performance. Its size is such that it is not any more intrusive looking then a satellite dish so I would not have a problem with mounting it outdoors. Prices range from $59 to $89 for the same antenna depending where you purchase it on the internet. I do a lot of business with solid signal.com.

Bavarian 03-27-2015 11:59 AM

As I had read it, the FCC rule was for Receive only satellite dishes only. It was put out when DirecTv, Dish, Primestar came out in mid '90's. And there was a caveat that the HOA could restrict where they could be put. Nice hear, small dish one LNB and on a post. Old House, 7 LNB and dish on top of high roof, to clear the woods.

NavyNJ 03-27-2015 12:08 PM

Good point......
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1035634)
I hope you enjoy institutional food.

I hear you Steve.....but I gotta think if they cant nail someone who cleared out a wholestand of protected trees, the chances ofhaving the capability to trackdown a low-power,mobile, hand-held jammer would be pretty darn slim! lol On a serious note, there are enough low or modest cost indoor antenna solutions out there that outdoor antennas becoming a prolific aesthetic issue shouldn't be a huge problem.

Villager Audio Video 03-27-2015 12:09 PM

Indoor antennas may have problems @ the 65 mile range to SE Orlando

Steve9930 03-27-2015 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NavyNJ (Post 1035698)
I hear you Steve.....but I gotta think if they cant nail someone who cleared out a wholestand of protected trees, the chances ofhaving the capability to trackdown a low-power,mobile, hand-held jammer would be pretty darn slim! lol On a serious note, there are enough low or modest cost indoor antenna solutions out there that outdoor antennas becoming a prolific aesthetic issue shouldn't be a huge problem.

I like the way you think. Makes me believe this country still has a chance......☺


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