Fence being removed by Lake Sumter Landing where buffalo were!
 

The fence where the buffalo used to be are now being removed. This is the area that is Northwest of Buena Vista Blvd and Stillwater Trail by the play ground at Lake Sumter Landing. There are survey flags up. I looks like something is to be built there soon.

I don't feel that this had anything to do with the removal of the buffalo as there were several places that they kept buffalo and there is not construction at every site. It was only time before something was going to be built there.

I know perhaps a Ted's Montana Grill will go in there.

http://www.tedsmontanagrill.com/

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Indy,

I rode by there last month when they were surveying....I asked one of the surveyors "what's up".....he said they will be building villas (and/or houses?) in that area. Have heard no corroborating facts, just what the surveyor said. I guess residential is better than more big box stores.

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I'm sure the building would have occurred on schedule even if the buffalo were still there. Ultimately, they were placeholders for the construction that would eventually occur anyway.

Went to a Ted's in PA and it's a really good restaurant! I'd love to see one in TV. They serve quite a bit of bison there. If they put one in TV I wonder if people would suspect THAT's where the buffalo went?

:o

(Only a joke...)

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I heard that they were building a bowling alley

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What we know for sure is the developer isn't spending the survey and fence removal dollars to make it look the the other side of the street!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Removing or moving the buffalo has been an ongoing process throughout different locations in TV as THEIR plan is implemented. Just like they did when it was time to implement Freedom Point.
My bet is on commercial use as they will get an ongoing income from the property VS selling land for dwellings of one kind or another.
They will let us know when THEY are ready.
While I think the buffalo were a neat attribute/attraction, they did little for property values.
On a positive note, all the property adjacent LSL has been successfully turned into value/service adding entities. What ever they do along Buena Vista and Old Mill Run will do like wise.

BTK

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BTK, My money goes on commercial, as well. I think the chances of housing going in that area would be slim to none.

There's An Old Rule That Those Involved In...
 

...the development of real estate learn very early in their careers. I was involved for a long time in commercial real estate development and I know I was taught this rule early on.

The rule that is never violated, on purpose at least, is as follows...


There are sometimes variances from this rule. The use of a piece of property zoned for high-rise construction for a single-level building would be a mistake by the developer and certainly wouldn't create the highest value. Of course, property that might otherwise be built upon can also be designated as a park or school or something else for the public good. The Village already has a huge proportion of its total acreage designated as recreation centers, pools, parks, wetlands, preserves, etc.

There was a lot of acreage devoted to buffalo grazing. That certainly wasn't the best use of the land that would create the highest value for its owner. Building on it, as appears now to be the case, won't reduce the amount of land devoted to public useage by any significant amount. I don't think anyone would classify the buffalo pastures as public parks. As many have said earlier, the disappearance of "our" buffalo was only a matter of time.

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:agree: And as an add on to the previous, Ag. land (fenced with cattle or crop land) is taxed at a lower rate than open undeveloped land adjoining residential or commercial property. Only makes sense to keep the buffalo/cattle until such time as the property is developed.

This is not common to the villages. When I lived in Miami Lakes. FL many moons ago, Senator Graham who owned a considerable amount of acreage did the same. His family, I believe, originally had a dairy prior to the development in the 70's.

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Keeping animals, whether buffalo, cows or ostrich is a means for the landowner to claim the lands tax value is farm land thus keeping it's taxable value as low as possible. It is commonly done in all areas of Florida. The owner only keeps the animals as long as it takes for them to either sell or develop the land.

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Well...I would like to see another Katie Belle's or something similar there. Not a Cattle Baron Restaurant but a place for indoor music and dancing.

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whatever,

thank you...my next move was to make a couple of calls tomorrow and see if I could find the "real truth". You got the scoop. It'll be interesting to see what type of houses and how they blend in with the surroundings. I'm sure it will be done tastefully. Talk about a primo location....walk to LSL.

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Allegedly, the site was approved for 202 homes and a recreation center, today.

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Guess I'll have to pull my bet off the table. I did hear "houses" today from a reputable source. I'm still surprised.

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There may be other things scheduled for that area also but I agree with Kathleen and I do know for a fact that a 3rd bowling alley was on the agenda a few weeks ago.

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They are working over there feverishly in typical villages fashion. Many trucks and they are digging. Saw several trucks that said water works or something to that effect. Much of the fence is gone.

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Here is the latest....sorta from the horse's (buffalo's ?) mouth.....One of the Morse family is not happy with prospective buyers staying in "neighborhoods", and there has been some negative feedback on rental in the LSL Cottages. The buffalo field at Stillwater is to be upscale villas (similar to those at Spanish Springs, but with a different look), and possibly some designer homes. Supposedly, this is on a very fast track and everything else is on hold until this is done. The permits are all in and are being approved.

Planning like this takes months, so it was probably the "right" time to get rid of the buffalo there, in order to start this project.

Guess we'll have to watch and see if this is, indeed, the project.

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The Villages, Florida

Who would of guessed. Freedom Point is now being built in a former buffalo range. Now this one?.

As said in some of the posts above, keeping livestock lowers the taxes and keeps the property open until an opportunity comes along.

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Sam, I bet you $50,000 they will put residential in that area.

Sorry Sam, too late to pull your bet off the table. I win, I win, I win. :clap2:

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I was on my way home and stooped and asked a workman what was going in there. He said Villas. I would have bet the other way but after some previous post and then asking I lean towards Villas being correct.

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Barefoot, What is wrong with you??? You just won 72 mil in the lottery and you want to collect a measly 50k from me???? Gee whiz.

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Sorry Sam, you're right .. with $72 mil I don't need your measly $50K. :chillout:

And now I can buy one of those new Villas in the buffalo field next to LSL. Life just has a way of working out. ;)

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Ha Bare, I'm not sure how much yard space the new villas will have. I suspect they will be high density. Where will the pups play???

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I hope something good is going in there as the back of our new house will face it! :bow:

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Today they were digging a very deep hole next to the fence. There are also stacks of stone that look like the stone they used to build all the stone walls around the tunnels. Lot's of speculation, and no confirmation yet.

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Laura,

You are right...lots of speculation, no confirmation. Now, I understand the developer keeps his future plans as a close hold secret, but, wouldn't ya think that once the survey stakes went up, the fence came down, and heavy equipment/supplies moves in, that the Developer, by way of the Daily Sun, would publish an announcement as to what is being built there? A few solid facts would sure tone done rampant speculation. It's his land but it is our community and we are all keenly interested in what goes on around here.

So, SunReporter, TOTV member in good standing...are ya reading this? Can you convince your publishers to print an article about the LSL Buffalo field?

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I was thinking ... your back yard?

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07, nice point. TV is well aware of how rumors fly around here. One would think they could announce plans for the site in The Sun . Maybe we should start lobbying the Sun to run a story.

Barefoot..will you hire a picker upper for the back yard??? ;) ;)

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It's all got to do with marketing.
At any point in time there are prospective buyers for all the land around here and if a neighboring piece is going to be residential or commercial it could drive the price up or down for the prospective buyer. It's not that it's a big secret, it's just better not to announce any finalization CUZ nobody is really sure what anybody is thinking.

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I have Fumar in mind. I've heard that he has a lot of time on his hands and loves little dogs so much he doesn't mind picking up after them. :joke:

But I've seen a big gator in the lake behind your house. And I know that Fumar enjoys feeding little dogs to the gators. So perhaps that's not the ideal solution.

:cop: Sorry, off topic, now .. back to the Villas at LSL ..

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Look at www.districtgov.org and then district 8 and the agenda for 8/15. It was in the Sun last week under "district reports".

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That link does not seem to work. Would you tell us what it said?

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Deb, try typing it in.

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A quick read looks like an application for 202 units. 20 homesites and 182 villas.

JimT

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Yup! Old Mill Landing and Creekside Landing.

Skip

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http://www.districtgov.org/slcdd/yourdistrict/images/dist8_agenda_080815.pdf


Pages 69-85 give maps of the plots and info.

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They moved some big equipment in there today and have already started grading. At 6pm many construction trucks were still on site. The equipment looked impressive. Our Mr Morse does things in a big way. I have so much admiration for that man. Yes, he makes money from us all. He's a Capitalist. God Bless America and Gary Morse!!!!

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I moved from South Florida (Boynton Beach) because developing got out of hand. The standard joke was, "Don't let your grass grow higher than 3/4" or it would be considered an open lot!"

I like a little breathing room, I like open places. There is not enough land available for building? Building is dynamic at the same time at what cost. The developer says the buffalo was removed because of law suits. Well. I guess we know why. He couldn't out straight and said we are going to be build here. Why all the BS and the fast tracking? Are they afraid of something?

How about building a church or synagogue or a performing arts center or a complex for all the clubs to meet and display? I would even settle for another Savannah Center!

I love The Villages and would recommend this place to anyone. What I do not like is subterfuge and that is exactly what we are seeing. Now if they can do it here they can do it anywhere and I know another possible place. There is a large tract of land opposite the Glenbrook Gate. I think this is a "preserve" or former buffalo grazing area. There are many survey stakes there, why??

Go ahead guys and gals these people have only one goal in mind, how much money can they make when the goal could how much money can we make and at the same time improve the quality of life in The Villages.

Thank you,
Alan Goldberg
Village of Poinciana

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Dear Alan,
Despite my admiration for the Developer, I too, wish something else was going in that spot.
There are so many existing places to build houses. It's not my ground though, so I don't get a say.

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Sam

Perhaps you would get a say if the CDD's were run like state government.

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OK Bright...picture me saying this as Scarlett O'Hara would. "Oh fiddledeedee, I don't know anythin about those CDD's, but if Mistah Morse owns the land, why can't he build little olde houses if he so desires??? Now I would rather have an entertainment type venue there of course, but darlin', ah don't own it. Where is that Rhett??? He could have bought that ground for me years ago. Oh well......tomorrow is anotha day."