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PennBF 12-28-2015 10:10 AM

Cart ID's
 
I think it would be advantages and helpful if The Village's established an ID Tag for golf carts. It would be a small "stick on" tab to the window with an identifier number. Since there are now between 60,000 and 70,000 carts there should be some way to identify the user/owner. The Villages could charge the cart owner $1.00 to pay for the stick on tag and list the numbers in the normal
village records. Your village ID could be used as the "control number":gc:

golfing eagles 12-28-2015 10:13 AM

George Orwell would be proud

biker1 12-28-2015 10:30 AM

It is not clear to me how The Villages (the developer) could require such a thing. The CDDs control the MMPs - good luck with that. The roads are owned by the county - good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1163747)
I think it would be advantages and helpful if The Village's established an ID Tag for golf carts. It would be a small "stick on" tab to the window with an identifier number. Since there are now between 60,000 and 70,000 carts there should be some way to identify the user/owner. The Villages could charge the cart owner $1.00 to pay for the stick on tag and list the numbers in the normal
village records. Your village ID could be used as the "control number":gc:


golfing eagles 12-28-2015 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1163756)
It is not clear to me how The Villages (the developer) could require such a thing. The CDDs control the MMPs - good luck with that. The roads are owned by the county - good luck with that.

Oh, that's easy. The state government through the legislature and bureaucrats could pass 20,000 pages of law and regulation with regards to ID on golf carts. They could pay for it by erecting toll gates on MMPs. Maybe the governor could even issue an "executive order"........

biker1 12-28-2015 11:03 AM

Politics is all about upside and downside. There is no upside and lots of downside.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1163765)
Oh, that's easy. The state government through the legislature and bureaucrats could pass 20,000 pages of law and regulation with regards to ID on golf carts. They could pay for it by erecting toll gates on MMPs. Maybe the governor could even issue an "executive order"........


HoosierPa 12-28-2015 11:07 AM

Just what we need, more Government "Control"

ronat1 12-28-2015 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1163747)
I think it would be advantages and helpful if The Village's established an ID Tag for golf carts. It would be a small "stick on" tab to the window with an identifier number. Since there are now between 60,000 and 70,000 carts there should be some way to identify the user/owner. The Villages could charge the cart owner $1.00 to pay for the stick on tag and list the numbers in the normal
village records. Your village ID could be used as the "control number":gc:

Your reasoning for this is what and exactly why & for whom would this be advantageous and helpful?

Rango 12-28-2015 11:34 AM

There is a serial # on each cart

Chatbrat 12-28-2015 11:43 AM

There have been several hit & runs--All motor vehicles on public streets should have an ID tag- some way of ID'ing a miscreant.

Anonymity leads to the degree of breaking the rules that are quite prevalent.

CWGUY 12-28-2015 11:51 AM

:shrug: Amazing. I don't think I would have moved to an area where I think rule breaking is quite prevalent. :undecided:

golfing eagles 12-28-2015 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1163805)
There have been several hit & runs--All motor vehicles on public streets should have an ID tag- some way of ID'ing a miscreant.

Anonymity leads to the degree of breaking the rules that are quite prevalent.

? how many "hit and run" cart accidents are there?
? how many offenders are either caught or come forward and confess?
like auto accidents, most victims and witnesses never think quick enough or see well enough to get a license plate #
also like auto accidents, the offender usually has a reason to run (DUI, suspended license, no registration or insurance) and therefore has probably already decided to run from an accident. To that end, they are the ones with no plate or one of those smoky gray plate "holders" that make it nearly impossible to read the plate anyway

All in all, you may be advocating a system of 60,000 cart IDs that in the end may catch no one. Like most "there ought to be a law" scenarios, this may be like firing a cannon at a tissue paper wall.

bagboy 12-28-2015 12:20 PM

All I can add is...there will not be an identification sticker on my golf cart, mandated or not.

tomwed 12-28-2015 12:29 PM

I think your intentions are good but the cure seems worse than the disease even if it could be done.

What I find remarkable and do appreciate is how the police take every crime seriously and how often they find the perpetrator. I think there are a lot more cameras around than we think. We also live in a world where most everyone is carrying a phone with a camera for stills and videos.

PennBF 12-28-2015 12:42 PM

WoW
 
Wow, I am surprised that so many are against some form of identification for carts. You have licence plates for cars and I bet you all have licence plates ! What is different with carts? Some compare to Orwell, some threaten there will be no ID on their cart (bet they didn't remove the licence on their car?), some compare to more Gov't controls, but like and acknowledge community standards,
I have nothing to be concerned with, I don't drink so a DUI will not happen, I don't allow young children so that is not a worry, I respect the walkers and bikers on the cart paths, and try to obey good manners. What is the worry of those who don't want some control over identifying who may be drunk, may be endangering other carts, walkers, bikers, et al. If there is nothing to fear why
be afraid?:shrug:

ugotme 12-28-2015 12:42 PM

w h y ?

Barefoot 12-28-2015 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1163747)
I think it would be advantages and helpful if The Village's established an ID Tag for golf carts. It would be a small "stick on" tab to the window with an identifier number.

I assume the small identifier number would be means of identifying "miscreants".
I doubt a small window tab would be sufficient for retirees to quickly identify a cart and be able to pass on the correct identifier number to Police.
And I sincerely doubt most of us want huge numbers on our carts.
That is reminiscent of the placards that prisoners wear for identification when their picture is taken.
As Eagle said, George Orwell would be proud.

biker1 12-28-2015 12:49 PM

If you see a hit and run just tell the police it was the golf cart with the OSU decal on the front ;-)

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1163841)
I assume the small identifier number would be means of identifying "miscreants".
I doubt a small window tab would be sufficient for retirees to quickly identify a cart and be able to pass on the correct identifier number to Police.
And I sincerely doubt most of us want huge numbers on our carts.
That is reminiscent of the placards that prisoners wear for identification when their picture is taken.
As Eagle said, George Orwell would be proud.


twoplanekid 12-28-2015 01:04 PM

Registration could be a way of verify compliance with mandatory rules for golf carts such as seatbelts, proper lighting systems and a speed check. On second thought, I am still upset about the registration requirements for drones of little weight.

Retiring 12-28-2015 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1163805)
There have been several hit & runs--All motor vehicles on public streets should have an ID tag- some way of ID'ing a miscreant.

Anonymity leads to the degree of breaking the rules that are quite prevalent.

You’re talking about a license plate. A small sticker would never be noticeable in a hit and run. Tags lead to registration, registration leads to more legislation, legislation leads to taxes, taxes leads to…

PennBF 12-28-2015 01:33 PM

Who Said It?
 
"There is nothing to fear..." (oop's FDR") Why are any afraid of their cart being identifiable? If the owner/guest, et al are obeying the rules for carts why would there be any fear of allowing their cart to be readily identified? Those with nothing to fear should welcome the change with open arms ! I understand the ones who leave the squares and have over drank, or those who let 4 and 5 year olds drive their cart or juiced up the cart to go faster than 19.5MPH. All of these are violations which are not uncommon and I can
understand those that have these problems may not want their cart identified. The others I have no clue?

Chatbrat 12-28-2015 01:43 PM

All the white rental carts are easily identifiable-duh-what's the problem- a white rental car hits someone or damages someone's property- the black #'s help

What's the big deal ?

Fredster 12-28-2015 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1163882)
"There is nothing to fear..." (oop's FDR") Why are any afraid of their cart being identifiable? If the owner/guest, et al are obeying the rules for carts why would there be any fear of allowing their cart to be readily identified? Those with nothing to fear should welcome the change with open arms ! I understand the ones who leave the squares and have over drank, or those who let 4 and 5 year olds drive their cart or juiced up the cart to go faster than 19.5MPH. All of these are violations which are not uncommon and I can
understand those that have these problems may not want their cart identified. The others I have no clue?

It seems that you have come up with a solution, for a problem that doesn't exist or at least is very minuscule!
Plus I think people are afraid when the government gets involved registering things, and where that usually leads!

golfing eagles 12-28-2015 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1163837)
Wow, I am surprised that so many are against some form of identification for carts. You have licence plates for cars and I bet you all have licence plates ! What is different with carts? Some compare to Orwell, some threaten there will be no ID on their cart (bet they didn't remove the licence on their car?), some compare to more Gov't controls, but like and acknowledge community standards,
I have nothing to be concerned with, I don't drink so a DUI will not happen, I don't allow young children so that is not a worry, I respect the walkers and bikers on the cart paths, and try to obey good manners. What is the worry of those who don't want some control over identifying who may be drunk, may be endangering other carts, walkers, bikers, et al. If there is nothing to fear why
be afraid?:shrug:

My fear is not getting caught breaking the law, since I don't My fear is that this would add to an already out of control governing bureaucracy. To achieve the goal of putting an ID sticker on 60,000 carts, you would have to hire the personnel, give them office space, telephone lines, internet access and postage. There would no doubt be paper forms or on-line pages to fill out. The stickers would have to be printed and mailed. No doubt there would be countless meetings to decide how big, what shape, what color, where to put them on the cart. Then community information meetings. Then they would meet about how to enforce the new regulations, followed by more community information meetings. Like I said, it looks like shooting a cannon at a tissue paper wall. Now let me duck for cover as I add that they could address the path striping issue at the same time. LOL

outlaw 12-28-2015 03:16 PM

Good idea! I also think we should consider ID chips for all residents. Like the chips we give our pets. It could be very helpful if a crime is committed. It would also provide safety for seniors.

golfing eagles 12-28-2015 03:25 PM

Then they could put a webcam on the barrel of your Glock. Maybe one in your bedroom at the same time. Don't forget the bathroom, we wouldn't want any "violations" in there. Heck, just replace all the walls in your house with glass----after all, we've already know what "transparency" is all about

JoMar 12-28-2015 03:35 PM

We have no cart police, all drivers are trained to go through stop signs and no turn signals (same as cars), we currently have kids standing where golf bags should be, we have carts going through gates on the bumpers of cars, we have carts exceeding speed limits everywhere......so please help me, what good would an ID provide where there is no enforcement?

TNLAKEPANDA 12-28-2015 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1163749)
George Orwell would be proud

No kidding. Why Why Why do people want more rules and controls. What's wrong with them.:what:

Retiring 12-28-2015 04:00 PM

Where does it stop? Why don't we mandate rollbars in all vehicles, including golf carts? 7,000+ are killed annually by rollover accidents. Think of all the home burglaries we can stop by outlawing windows and requiring vault entry doors. What about license plates on bicycles, yes they too are involved in hit and run accidents. What about the dogs that run into the street and causes accidents? Lets require dogs to be shaved and a large tattoo, like a lic. plate, be tattooed across them – after all they were/are owned by someone. Lets put street lights on all the MMPs, that would only increase your dues a few hundred dollars per month- if it saves one life isn’t it worth it? I can go on for a thousand pages. The above hyperbole is only slightly tongue and cheek, because it’s both absurd and factual.

Almost all cell phones have cameras. See something “not right,” take a picture or video. Golf carts may all look alike but people don’t, a picture is the best source of identification.

We have huge libraries filled with law books but for some we could never have enough regulation. Increased regulation does NOT equal increased safety.

Fredster 12-28-2015 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1163940)
We have no cart police, all drivers are trained to go through stop signs and no turn signals (same as cars), we currently have kids standing where golf bags should be, we have carts going through gates on the bumpers of cars, we have carts exceeding speed limits everywhere......so please help me, what good would an ID provide where there is no enforcement?

With that post, your going to make some people afraid to leave their homes!

Kannon451 12-28-2015 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1163837)
Wow, I am surprised that so many are against some form of identification for carts. You have licence plates for cars and I bet you all have licence plates ! What is different with carts? Some compare to Orwell, some threaten there will be no ID on their cart (bet they didn't remove the licence on their car?), some compare to more Gov't controls, but like and acknowledge community standards,
I have nothing to be concerned with, I don't drink so a DUI will not happen, I don't allow young children so that is not a worry, I respect the walkers and bikers on the cart paths, and try to obey good manners. What is the worry of those who don't want some control over identifying who may be drunk, may be endangering other carts, walkers, bikers, et al. If there is nothing to fear why
be afraid?:shrug:

I like would propose that all Villages residents and their gusts be required to wear bright yellow jackets affixed with their ID numbers in big bold black numerals on the front and back. Wearing these jackets would be required whenever they venture outside. Of cause the numbers should readable from at least 50 ft. and be reflective for easy night time identification. Hey, If your not saving seats at the squares, picking up all you dogs poop, not talking at the movies, not smoking where you shouldn't be, not singing at the Sharon during a show, not tipping enough, etc., etc., etc., What's to fear???

Polar Bear 12-28-2015 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kannon451 (Post 1163963)
I like would propose that all Villages residents and their gusts be required to wear bright yellow jackets affixed with their ID numbers in big bold black numerals on the front and back. Wearing these jackets would be required whenever they venture outside. Of cause the numbers should readable from at least 50 ft. and be reflective for easy night time identification. Hey, If your not saving seats at the squares, picking up all you dogs poop, not talking at the movies, not smoking where you shouldn't be, not singing at the Sharon during a show, not tipping enough, etc., etc., etc., What's to fear???

Bingo.

looneycat 12-28-2015 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1163747)
I think it would be advantages and helpful if The Village's established an ID Tag for golf carts. It would be a small "stick on" tab to the window with an identifier number. Since there are now between 60,000 and 70,000 carts there should be some way to identify the user/owner. The Villages could charge the cart owner $1.00 to pay for the stick on tag and list the numbers in the normal
village records. Your village ID could be used as the "control number":gc:

sorry. no.

tomwed 12-28-2015 04:51 PM

I you want an ID on your cart why don't you at least use your real name on TOTV so we know who you are?

TrudyM 12-28-2015 05:02 PM

I agree with the op
 
I have only been down since sept and have had two instances where I wished I had a way to identify a cart owner. One was a cooler falling off a cart. The second was a kid driving a blue yamaha cart who nearly ran me over in a crosswalk. And when I mean kid he couldn't have been older than 8. I called community watch but they said there are thousands of blue Yamaha carts and finding the person responsible was impossible but they would be on the lookout for a kid in a blue cart.

JoMar 12-28-2015 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1163961)
With that post, your going to make some people afraid to leave their homes!

Nah, they will just go out and blend in....:gc:

Barefoot 12-28-2015 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1163747)
It would be a small "stick on" tab to the window with an identifier number.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrudyM (Post 1163992)
I have only been down since sept and have had two instances where I wished I had a way to identify a cart owner. One was a cooler falling off a cart. The second was a kid driving a blue yamaha cart who nearly ran me over in a crosswalk. And when I mean kid he couldn't have been older than 8. I called community watch but they said there are thousands of blue Yamaha carts and finding the person responsible was impossible but they would be on the lookout for a kid in a blue cart.

Trudy, I'm curious. Do you think a SMALL sticker in the front window would have enabled you to see and remember the identifier number so you could pass on the information to Community Watch?

Chatbrat 12-28-2015 07:12 PM

If golf carts were restricted to empaths-no ID's-once they are on public road they need license plates for ID purposes-case closed

You don't bitch about your car needing a license plate- make the cost $20.0/yr no one should be able to drive a motor vehicle on a public road without any means of ID

shumbapie 12-28-2015 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1163749)
George Orwell would be proud

LOL! Maybe when the DMV gets caught up they could handle this...

BobnBev 12-28-2015 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrudyM (Post 1163992)
I have only been down since sept and have had two instances where I wished I had a way to identify a cart owner. One was a cooler falling off a cart. The second was a kid driving a blue yamaha cart who nearly ran me over in a crosswalk. And when I mean kid he couldn't have been older than 8. I called community watch but they said there are thousands of blue Yamaha carts and finding the person responsible was impossible but they would be on the lookout for a kid in a blue cart.

Trudy, why did you call CW, we all know they have NO AUTHORITY. Call the Sheriff next time.:shrug:

PennBF 12-28-2015 09:54 PM

Happy to Help
 
I am happy that at a minimum this has given a lot of people an opportunity to get rid of hostility and anger that may have been building up. A simple "I don't like the idea because...." would have been happy constructive comments. At least this has switched some of the stored anger to a 100% non issue. Oh Well..It takes all.......!:shrug:


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