Cruz Not A Natural Citizen
 

Donald Trump and John McCain have both brought up the fact that Rafael Cruz, Jr. was born in Canada and not on USA soil. Although Rafael has been up front about this, it may be a drawn out court case to determine if he is eligible to be President.

The fact that Rafael Cruz Sr fought along side Fidel Castro, a Communist, may be a bigger problem for the younger Rafael.

Cruz' campaign is getting legal advice on both issues but it looks like an uphill battle for the son of the insurgent.

I'm sure that it won't really be a problem, unless the hypocrite liberals want to make it so. After all, Obama was elected and the only person that brought it up about him being Kenyan in the beginning was Hillary. But, the Republicans do need to thin the herd.

By the way, Trump didn't bring the issue up. It was the liberal media that made an issue of it and asked Trump what he thought about it.
They asked McCain about it too, and he merely said "it's worth looking into."

The media brings something up, by asking leading questions and then they try to make it look like an attack from the interviewee. I am sure that now that THEY have made an issue of it, it will become a big issue.

Both non issues. You need to read a bit longer than just the headlines. The media is trying to keep it in the news and make them issues. George Washington was an English soldier prior to becoming a revolutionary war one.

Dear Guest:
First, could you cite the authority that verifies that Rafael Cruz Sr fought along side Fidel Castro? ...because that is a huge game changer in itself

Secondly I believe the constitutional question of Ted Cruz's citizenship is of paramount importance because it keeps coming up election after election

Third If SCOTUS had settle this question perhaps there would have been more scrutiny of Obama's citizenship.

Fourth Obama got away with by dodging the issue and by doing so perhaps is setting future dicta on this issue. ...but we need settle law

Fifth the writings as they are now only states that a candidate has to be born of parents....

Sixth, however Ted Cruz was born in Canada to one American born parent and a father born in Cuban so what country is his origin Canada, Cuba, America?

Seventh: He did not give up his Canadian citizenship until 2014 and I find that very troubling.

I am a Republican and an undecided voter as yet but clearly I would not vote for Ted Cruz under these conditions

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Normally, I would consider his being born in Canada an issue, but after Obama, not so much. I am not really concerned anyway, as Rubio is coming up in the polls and will probably get my vote. I have evaluated all the candidates and found that even though I am not totally enamored with him, Rubio appears to be the most viable choice. My opinion. Before everyone starts telling me all the negatives about him, I already know them. There is NO perfect candidate on either side, but he is currently my choice. And he is polled as the one that most easily beats Hillary.

Speaking of Hillary, she seems to be suffering/hiding some serious health issues. It looks like her past head injury is still causing her some problems. It has been reported that she is consistently dizzy, pale and clammy looking (worst than usual) and has to be supported behind the scenes to keep her from collapsing. Since my information source is not from a liberal media source, i won't attempt to link my sources. I really don't care whether or not some liberal discounts my comment. This is conversation, not testimony.

I do not doubt Cruz's patriotism at all. My reason for not voting for him has nothing to do with his being Canadian. It has to do with his getting along with his fellow Republicans. He is a true conservative, but he does not seem to have the statesmanship needed in my opinion. WE have the worst example of any president currently, that has no statesmanship whatsoever and we desperately need someone that can work to get congress back to working as a team again. The current socialists in the gov are dividing our country and need to neutralized. We need someone in there that might be able to do that diplomatically. Make fools like Reid and Pelosi go away or be silenced. They are damaging America as much as Obama. We had less racial tension and party divisiveness prior to this administration. We had American pride and less people inclined to stick their hands out for gov assistance. It has nothing to do with necessity, but more like addiction to freebies.

This is priceless....Its the liberals and the liberal media. LOL!!!!

Here is Ted Cruz's father saying that Obama should be sent back to Kenya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w3yhHEtmvk

Now a poll that says only 29% of Republicans think Obama was born in the USA and yet 40% believe Ted Cruz was.

Shock Poll: Only 29% Of Republicans Said Obama Was Born In USA; 40% Said Cruz Born In USA - Birther Report

The liberals are NOT doing this its Trump just doing his thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...1de_story.html

BTW there are reports that Cruz's mother had become a Canadian citizen before Ted's birth if that is true.....Game Over!!!

Ted Cruz Should Prove His Mother Was A U.S. Citizen When He Was Born | If You Only News

Blame it on the liberals........:22yikes:

Hear you go from Ted Cruz's book

Ted Cruz's father an early Fidel Castro revolutionary, memoir claims | US news | The Guardian

But now that a spotlight has been turned on

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us...stro.html?_r=0

It's hard to keep straight face lying all the time. Adding cigar poking bill to the campaign will only intensify her problems. Heck he's probably got box handy on the campaign trail.

As for Cruz his background more credible than obamas. Obamas affiliations with rev. Wright and Bill the unibommer Ayers pretty much sows up his hatred for America. Don't tell me wrights hateful rhetoric for years didn't plant seed in the Obamas pea brains IMO

And wasn't Obama father muslin and born in Africa? So what's your point? I bet the liberal democrat rage didn't push that storyline?

I don't have a problem with Cruz running for president. I do have a problem with the fact that on the Mexican border they are anchor babies and on the Canadian border, they are still US citizens. Both borders should have the same law.

So, Rafael Cruz Jr. is a Canadian anchor baby. :22yikes:

Who cares?

Illegals jumping the Rio Grande into the U.S.A. are not citizens either, but you liberals want to give them drivers license, social security, health care, and allow them to vote. So, what's the big deal?

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

According to this, Cruz is considered a Natural born citizen.

This is just SICK and revisionist history. Do I need post the link to Ted Cruz's father saying "Send Obama back to Kenya".

A majority of the Republican party believed Obama in not a American because he was born in Kenya. Even today 30% of the Republican party believes he wasn't born in the US and therefore NOT American. Don't you remember the poor little old lady who told McCain that Obama was a Muslim at least McCain had the character to tell her the truth.

Now that the table is turned suddenly is ok to be born outside the United States and be President. And its ok that his father was a communist and fought with Castro. Can you image what would be going on if a Democrat was running this that background.

Even today 29% of Republican believe Obama was born in the US and 40% of these same people say Cruz was born in the USA when he was born in CANADA.

Shock Poll: Only 29% Of Republicans Said Obama Was Born In USA; 40% Said Cruz Born In USA - Birther Report

The entire Republican party are just hypocrites!!! Own it......

I find it funny that this issue has only come up in regard to Republican candidates, Goldwater, McCain and now Cruz. But the difference is both Goldwater and McCain were born in a US territory. Goldwater before AZ became a state and McCain on a base in Panama. However Ted Cruz was born in a foreign country that being Canada.

The founding fathers wanted to ensure someone would not be born outside the US and become the President so they said Natural Born Citizen.

Sounds like Ted Cruz's birth is what the Founding Fathers were worried about.

You really need to work on your anger issues. If you are responding to my comment above, why do you assume that I am one of the "birthers?" Isn't it kind of a moot point to bring up the inept Obama in this debate? After all, you got what you wanted, so surely you aren't crying about it, are you? I am not a birther, but I did question Oblama's qualifications to lead. I still am, even though the damage is already done. Hopefully, the GOP can correct the damage. Thank goodness America is pretty durable and can survive Obummer's attempt to destroy it......so far. Obama did have a lot of secrets in his past, some of which are just now being revealed. I am still not sure of his parentage. His claimed father was married to another woman, so he turns out to be a *******...not that this matters. There is some confusion over his secret travels to the middle East, earlier in life, his close association with neferious persons, such as the domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers and Rev Wright, and the possibility that Frank M. Davis (member of Communist USA) is his real father. Then there is the problem of his persistent abuse of drugs throughout his childhood, through college. Just a few problems that come up when looking into his past. Stuff that normally would be vetted during his campaign that was off limits on him because of his ethnicity, I guess. All this stuff is moot now, and is nothing more than curiosity.

Cruz should be vetted, as well as the rest of the candidates. We should know everything about them, unlike the previous two Pres. elections.

I am just sitting her quietly typing the truth, there was NO nastiness in that post just that facts.

No anger issues here this fine morning.

But your diatribe in about Obama highlights some anger issues! You might want to look into that. Have a great day.

In that case, you might want to get your "facts" straight. You brought up the Obama birther issue, not me. So, your attempt to divert is pathetic.

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

As you should by now know this issue has never be reviewed by the courts and in no way settled law. To clear this up it should be.

I also find it funny you claim Obama had an alternate father who just happens to be a communist...but to what end? You think it is bad to have a communist as a father? If so you won't be voting for Cruz cause his actual father fought with Castro....while Obama communist was just a friend of his grandfather.

Nice try but you are unarmed!!!!!

How convenient to have varying degrees of communism to suit one's agenda.

A communinist is a communist.

Nice try!

You make much todo about nothing. You do have a comprehension problem, don't you? The comment was pro-vetting of the candidate. You have a need to argue so much that you read it in a skewed manner in order to spew acid on nothing. I believe the point was that NO ONE should be exempt from vetting. But, rant away good buddy. It is interesting to see you slashing at air with your fantasy sword. Entertainment at least....:crap2:

"Unarmed?" Please let me know why anyone would need arm themselves to obliterate you...ha,ha....:mademyday:

Just a friend? That's rather delightful! Have you ever compared a young photo of Frank Marshall Davis with Obama? Now, compare Obama with his supposed father. Not that it matters, but it is interesting. And it is also funny that Frank Davis was having an affair with Obama's mother since she was 14 years old. I'm sure it is all speculation, but it is interesting. After all, Obama has never been forthcoming with any of his past, other than a book that someone else wrote for him....with his input of course. But, I digress. After all one's communist is another's mentor, right?

President Obama was born in Hawaii, which last time I looked, is part of the U.S. Why is that still a problem for you folks? Duh.

Obviously, you do not understand the Tea Bag Party's "Theory of Backward Time Travel".

It is similar to String Theory but they use spit and baling wire. :thumbup:

Was there a comment on here regarding him NOT being born in America? Other than yours, I mean? Wonder who has the problem.

Pretty neat that you liberals are attempting to unwittingly defend Cruz. I have been saying that vetting is a good thing, and you all are still trying to defend Oblama, and inadvertently defending Cruz. :BigApplause:

I think a Communist is a Communist as well never said I didn't.

Let me get this straight.....

Obama was born in Hawaii, but the Republican's think he was born in Kenya which makes him not an American to, at one time a majority of Republicans. His father, Obama Sr. wasn't a communist but now there is a theory that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's real father and he is a Communist who worked for the FBI.

To compare things

If Obama is Obama Sr's son and born in Kenya then he is a natural born citizen but wasn't raised by a Communist.

If Obama is Davis's son and born in Hawaii then he was born on American soil and therefore a natural born citizen but still not raised by a Communist.

Now Ted was actually born in Canada and raised by a Communist who fought with Castro in Cuba.

Have I gotten this right....

So you aren't going to vote for someone who was raised by a Communist cause that's bad. I know I'm not going to vote for someone raised by a Communist.

I couldn't make this up if I tired....but I googled it! You people have more wacky theories that Carter has little liver pills.

Just have to laugh!

Got a DNA test?

Did I miss where someone on here said Obie was born in Africa? I mean, other than you? Do you really think that by accusing the posters on here of saying something that they didn't say is going to put them on the defensive. Not even a good try. Better retire from this while you can still salvage some of your humility. You seem to be very confused. I never said Obummer was NOT born in America. I consider it to be a moot point considering the point that his second term has almost expired. I said that every candidate should be thoroughly vetted, unlike Obama. When Obama was elected, no one knew anything about him. He didn't even have a resume'. I am very much for a thorough background investigation of all candidates for the most important position in the world. And so far, as much as we know about Hillary, she wouldn't even be granted a security clearance with the civil service, so I would not waste your time vetting her. I wouldn't even allow her on the ballot.

Do you? Other than word of mouth, Obie's mother, is there any proof who his father is? Does it matter? I think it is hilarious that he may not even know himself, and he may have perpetrated the greatest joke in history. But, I don't care now. I was just using him as an example of the need for vetting Cruz and all the other candidates. Make them all take polygraph tests and drug test too. I had to have periodic polygraph and drug tests when I had a security clearance. The top position in the world should require the best security, right?
But, I realize that liberals don't care about national security, and think it's a joke.

I find it funny you seem to have amnesia about the birther movement of which Mr. Trump was a part. Someone on this site is posting about Obama actually being fathered by Frank Davis.....

Not sure what you mean about Obama not being vetted....

I believe that the issue of Ted Cruz's birthplace and the meaning of natural born citizen should be looked at by the courts.

Trump didn't speak for all Republicans. Funny how you backpedal, do the moonwalk when I asked you where in this thread did someone suggest that Obama was not born in America. But, no use beating a dead horse.

It is hypocritical that liberals suddenly want vetting when they didn't care to know ANYTHING about Obama. Makes your comment kind of disingenuous to say the least. But, I do believe EVERYONE should be vetted, just as if they were applying for a job requiring a security clearance After all, the job allows them the ultimate clearance and that is important if they are going to protect our national security.

And national security is the only real mandate of the Constitution, and we already know how Hillary feels about it. She could care less, and does not take it seriously.

You throw the liberal card but know nothing about me. Not everyone to the left of you is a liberal. I didn't call you a right wing nut did I?

Just cause something in this thread didn't say Obama wasn't born in the USA its not all about this thread. 30% of Repub.'s still think he isn't an American cause he was born in Kenya.

I think Trump is speaking for a large number of Republicans now and was then as a polls showed during that time. Can't change history.

So let's settle this in the courts.

It was reported that Hillary Clinton's camp was the one that questioned Obama's birthplace. Obama produced his Hawaiian birth certificate prior to the 2008 election. Prior to election, it was known that Obama was a natural born citizen. So, where did you get the idea that liberals didn't care to know anything about Obama prior to the 2008 election?

Hillary Clinton did. If your statement is correct, Hillary isn't a liberal.

I think that you are wrong. Trump thinks that he can history. After all according to him, he is never wrong. He is just being Mr. Goodguy in offering Cruz advice on how to proceed with the natural born citizen question. Trump doesn't have anything to gain by this. He wouldn't even think of making this an issue. He only brought it up to help Cruz. Why would anyone think any differently.

Dear Guest:

We agree. First, again to the citizenship issue my concern is a) it keeps cropping up b) Cruz only gave up his Canadian citizenship in 2014 c) this issue will dog him from here on out. So Trump is wise to suggest to Cruz that he seek a Declaratory Judgment. The Supreme Court won't take up the issue but they ought to because it needs to be looked at again. In my world a presidential candidate should have been born in America to parents who were born in America but that's me and I clearly one could argue that it is not necessary

As to Cruz himself he is too divisive, he appears to me to be too slick and hence not sincere which leads to unpredictability. So what this guy says and what he does compared to other candidates is a real issue for me and I have already eliminated him.

It is indeed troubling that this country cannot muster a better crop of candidates from either party. Its indeed troubling that past events have created a Trump, Cruz mania Too many voters are not being rationale...cooler heads prevail which leaves Rubio, Christie, Bush, Carson because they are more cerebral . I am leaning toward Rubio?

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Citizenship is suddenly an issue again. Liberals are concerned, ha,ha. They do not care about illegals having drivers licenses, health care, good employment, public schooling, and they especially like the idea of the illegal vote. But, they are concerned about Cruz's citizenship. Well, I didn't care about Obama's citizenship and I don't care about Cruz. I have no intention of voting for him, so it's a moot point. I agree with the post above that Cruz is too slick and appears not to be sincere. To me, he appears to be fake. Maybe that is just the way he always has been. I don't know, but there are too many good candidates to chose from to have to settle on one that I don't care for.
But, no matter what his faults, Cruz is a hundred times better than taking a chance on Hillary. If Hillary abandons her people overseas, then would anyone want her commanding the military?
Since the Obama/Hillary 8 years, we have more countries against us, less working with us. We have more fighting, we have more racism, we have more poverty, we have higher health care costs, and less world wide respect. Did I mention that we gave away the farm with our so-called Iran deal? This has been a pathetic and weak two pres. terms for America. Time for some positive change.

The WH and congress and supreme court need a good old fashioned political enema!

What they really need is a contract with Terminix to get rid of unwanted insects and rodents. :highfive: