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Topspinmo 03-23-2016 11:17 PM

Rules, don't need no stinking rules!
 
Going up BV today just pass 466 in the right lane moving along with traffic about 37 MPH. Guess what passed me in the left lane? Black Yamaha golf cart running at least 40 plus MPH. At least I know how fast my golf cart could go if I tamper with the governor!

Ok let's here it from the ones that see nothing wrong with it:popcorn:

Retiring 03-24-2016 12:22 AM

A few months ago I was in the golf cart dealership in LSL. I asked the service guy how difficult is it to alter the cart to run faster. He said that would be insane. These carts are not setup, from a safety standpoint, to go fast. Limited braking to short wheelbase to no impact protection to…

I quickly got that idea out of my head. I’ll stick with 20mph, or less.

rubicon 03-24-2016 03:41 AM

That is just plain insane.

RickeyD 03-24-2016 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1203047)
That is just plain insane.


No more insane than a motorcycle doing the same speed.

photo1902 03-24-2016 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1203053)
No more insane than a motorcycle doing the same speed.

:agree:

rubicon 03-24-2016 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1203053)
No more insane than a motorcycle doing the same speed.

RickyD: A point well taken. And for that matter a bicyclist traveling above 20 mph determined not to break his momentum.

But then reasonable men can differ on the assumption of risk?

Then again a motorcycle is designed with the thought in mind of distance and speed. A golf cart is not and its breaking system etc is just not designed for much more than 20mph. The 20mph rule may be arbitrary, indeed considering the vast expansion of this community. However, this black Yamaha has gone beyond the pale.

Personal Best Regards:

Chatbrat 03-24-2016 05:11 AM

Yes, but you don't hold an infant in your hands or lap while driving a motorcycle-Can't fix stupid--if you must transport an infant or child use your CAR not the cart

Could be the worst or best decision you'll ever make

RickeyD 03-24-2016 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1203058)
RickyD: A point well taken. And for that matter a bicyclist traveling above 20 mph determined not to break his momentum.



But then reasonable men can differ on the assumption of risk?



Then again a motorcycle is designed with the thought in mind of distance and speed. A golf cart is not and its breaking system etc is just not designed for much more than 20mph. The 20mph rule may be arbitrary, indeed considering the vast expansion of this community. However, this black Yamaha has gone beyond the pale.



Personal Best Regards:


I believe that street legal carts have upgraded brakes, seat belts etc. I'd rather take the 4 wheel risk over 2 wheel, if given the choice.

Jima64 03-24-2016 05:58 AM

Stupid is, stupid does until he hits a object bigger than him.

twoplanekid 03-24-2016 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1203059)
Yes, but you don't hold an infant in your hands or lap while driving a motorcycle-Can't fix stupid--if you must transport an infant or child use your CAR not the cart

Could be the worst or best decision you'll ever make

Saw that on Hillsborough Trail yesterday! Dad was a cart passenger holding a (6~9) month old.

Chatbrat 03-24-2016 06:35 AM

Wish our paper would post a picture of an adult holding an infant & caption it " what's wrong with this picture"

GaryW 03-24-2016 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1203059)
Yes, but you don't hold an infant in your hands or lap while driving a motorcycle-Can't fix stupid--if you must transport an infant or child use your CAR not the cart

Could be the worst or best decision you'll ever make

OK so where does a child come into this post? Not sue how that came about.
:faint:

It is all about Saftey, Street legal carts are still designed for a set speed, just because they drive on the street as so called " STREET LEGAL" does not indicate they have upgrade to a stronger brake system. Some carts set up higher thus more prone to turn overs if they had to swerve or turn real fast to avoid something.
Just called a friend with SCSO. He indicated to me he just stopped a cart couple weeks back. Doing 37 in a 25. He told me the cart had a hard time stopping. So I am thinking even street legal carts are not designed for speeds above factory settings.

Just a thought :spoken:

red tail 03-24-2016 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryW (Post 1203085)
OK so where does a child come into this post? Not sue how that came about.
:faint:

It is all about Saftey, Street legal carts are still designed for a set speed, just because they drive on the street as so called " STREET LEGAL" does not indicate they have upgrade to a stronger brake system. Some carts set up higher thus more prone to turn overs if they had to swerve or turn real fast to avoid something.
Just called a friend with SCSO. He indicated to me he just stopped a cart couple weeks back. Doing 37 in a 25. He told me the cart had a hard time stopping. So I am thinking even street legal carts are not designed for speeds above factory settings.

Just a thought :spoken:


street legal vehicles have 4 wheel hydraulic brakes. don't comment if you don't know what a lsv is. it takes more than ability to go 25mph to be have street legal designation.

asianthree 03-24-2016 07:13 AM

Don't you love when you get passed and get flipped off for going the legal limit on cart path

flyerguy 03-24-2016 07:23 AM

Personally, I think common sense has gone out the window for a lot of folks operating a golf cart beyond it's purpose and design. I also believe much of this is an "ego", "macho", "look at me" attitude". I fail to see why someone wants to go fast(er) in their golf cart. Why in the world are you in such a hurry, where are you going? If it's essential that I drive over a safe speed (20 mph or less) in the golf cart, I'll take the car. We like to just leisurely cruise around in the cart and enjoy ourselves. Less stress, on me and the equipment.

Walter123 03-24-2016 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryW (Post 1203085)
OK so where does a child come into this post? Not sue how that came about.
:faint:

It is all about Saftey, Street legal carts are still designed for a set speed, just because they drive on the street as so called " STREET LEGAL" does not indicate they have upgrade to a stronger brake system. Some carts set up higher thus more prone to turn overs if they had to swerve or turn real fast to avoid something.
Just called a friend with SCSO. He indicated to me he just stopped a cart couple weeks back. Doing 37 in a 25. He told me the cart had a hard time stopping. So I am thinking even street legal carts are not designed for speeds above factory settings.

Just a thought :spoken:

Good post Gary. :agree:

fred53 03-24-2016 07:29 AM

Only if...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1203053)
No more insane than a motorcycle doing the same speed.

you're writing about protection. Otherwise there is a world of difference physically(designed to handle speed, disk brakes, gearing, drive, wheels, clothing, helmet, etc).

2BNTV 03-24-2016 07:30 AM

I was on the golf cart path and someone passed me doing at least 35 MPH!!!

I almost got out of my cart, as I thought I was stopped!!!!

PLeaaaauuuuuuussssssseeeeeeee!!!!! Leave a little bit earlier.

Walter123 03-24-2016 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1203104)
Don't you love when you get passed and get flipped off for going the legal limit on cart path

Those drivers are idiots plain and simple. LSV's should not be allowed on MMP"s.
They are a danger to everyone.

outlaw 03-24-2016 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red tail (Post 1203098)
street legal vehicles have 4 wheel hydraulic brakes. don't comment if you don't know what a lsv is. it takes more than ability to go 25mph to be have street legal designation.

That is incorrect. Most street legal carts do not have 4 wheel brakes, much less hydraulic brakes. Anyone can take a basic electric golf cart designed for golf courses, add lights, turn signals, horn, mirrors, seat belts and single pane windshield, etc., and get it certified locally for driving on the street. Then you can get it licensed and insured. Example: Parcar, which has been building LSVs for years, does not have four wheel or hydraulic brakes.

outlaw 03-24-2016 07:46 AM

The maximum speed of a 2015 Yamaha with 10" wheels and high speed gear set is 26 mph, with the governor adjusted all the way. A 40 mph Yamaha would likely have been modified with a different electric motor. Federal statute (as written about 3 yrs ago) require LSVs to be electric powered.

Topspinmo 03-24-2016 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1203068)
I believe that street legal carts have upgraded brakes, seat belts etc. I'd rather take the 4 wheel risk over 2 wheel, if given the choice.

No, Exact same cart that I have. I got close up look, Didn't see seat belts either.

Uberschaf 03-24-2016 08:01 AM

Par Car NEV's have hydraulic brakes but only rear brakes.They also have split windshields.

Topspinmo 03-24-2016 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red tail (Post 1203098)
street legal vehicles have 4 wheel hydraulic brakes. don't comment if you don't know what a lsv is. it takes more than ability to go 25mph to be have street legal designation.

This was NOT LSV by design. IT WAS GOLF CART with Plate on it just like the one I have with NO 4 wheel Hydraulic BRAKES and Yes I could see through the mag wheels it didn't have disk brakes. I See Club Cars which are even cheaper made clocking along at 30.

Walter123 03-24-2016 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red tail (Post 1203098)
street legal vehicles have 4 wheel hydraulic brakes. don't comment if you don't know what a lsv is. it takes more than ability to go 25mph to be have street legal designation.

Don't comment if you don't know what a LSV is.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-24-2016 08:12 AM

While I do't agree with LSVs going 40 mph, I don't like the idea that a vehicle that's only capable of going 25 is allowed to drive on roads where the speed limit is 35.

The law should be changed one way or the other. If LSVs can do 35, then they should be allowed to. But they should also have all of the safety equipment necessary such a four wheel brakes that are necessary to stop the vehicle at that speed. I've seen golf cart with plates and
Street Legal stickers on them that don't have a solid windshield or wipers. As far as I know, they shouldn't be declared to be street legal.
As far a people's concerns about them tipping over when swerving or being struck by a vehicle weighing ten times their weight, how is that any different from a motorcycle? Should we ban motorcycles because if they get hit by a ten ton truck they are in trouble.
I say let the LSVs go 35 or 40 but also make sure that they are equipped in every way to go that speed.
But we shouldn't be allowing vehicles that can only go 25 on streets where the speed limit is 35.

Chellybean 03-24-2016 08:14 AM

Ok, lets see how many people get fired up over this.
I was going throw the gate at Morse on pinnelas heading west and a cart crossed in front of me and i had to slam on the breaks.
I yelled at the fool as they stopped in the middle of the gate missing them by a foot.
As i yelled at them are you crazy i could of killed you.
As they Replied "Carts Have the right of Way" ( others in the golf cart path waiting to cross also yelled at the fools)
As i and the Guard at the gate yelled at them saying it is not a Cross walk and carts do not have the right of way on top of you could of gotten killed
As the Guard approached my car as he was shaking his head to see if i needed anything i replied did you hear and see that Jerk.
As he replied his boss told him the other day control the gates for the car traffic going throw and if the Golf Carts do something stupid and put themselves at risk they are on there own.
He also said you can't believe the idiots i see in a course of a day working the gates.
Just complete stupidity.
Is golf more important then your safety!'
The only thing i can say is ADULT IDIOTS.
Now lets see how much heat i take for this!!!!!!!!!

VApeople 03-24-2016 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chellybean (Post 1203148)
Ok, lets see how many people get fired up over this.!!!!!!!!!

You did a great job by being alert and expecting people to do stupid things. That is how we experienced drivers avoid being in accidents. Again, Great Job!!

Of course, tomorrow the same stupid people will do the same stupid things and we can't do anything to prevent it.

twoplanekid 03-24-2016 08:40 AM

Everyone should attend at least once the VHA Golf Cart safety clinic held at the Colony Recreation Center at 9:00 AM on the third (3rd) Wednesday Morning of each month.

Some should attend every month! :icon_wink:

outlaw 03-24-2016 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uberschaf (Post 1203136)
Par Car NEV's have hydraulic brakes but only rear brakes.They also have split windshields.

My Parcar did not have hydraulic brakes or a split windshield, and it was a new "NEV", street legal, vin, licensed, and insured. I believe it was a 2003 model.

outlaw 03-24-2016 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chellybean (Post 1203148)
Ok, lets see how many people get fired up over this.
I was going throw the gate at Morse on pinnelas heading west and a cart crossed in front of me and i had to slam on the breaks.
I yelled at the fool as they stopped in the middle of the gate missing them by a foot.
As i yelled at them are you crazy i could of killed you.
As they Replied "Carts Have the right of Way" ( others in the golf cart path waiting to cross also yelled at the fools)
As i and the Guard at the gate yelled at them saying it is not a Cross walk and carts do not have the right of way on top of you could of gotten killed
As the Guard approached my car as he was shaking his head to see if i needed anything i replied did you hear and see that Jerk.
As he replied his boss told him the other day control the gates for the car traffic going throw and if the Golf Carts do something stupid and put themselves at risk they are on there own.
He also said you can't believe the idiots i see in a course of a day working the gates.
Just complete stupidity.
Is golf more important then your safety!'
The only thing i can say is ADULT IDIOTS.
Now lets see how much heat i take for this!!!!!!!!!

Were you upset?

outlaw 03-24-2016 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1203104)
Don't you love when you get passed and get flipped off for going the legal limit on cart path

You haven't really been "flipped off" for going the speed limit on the MMP?!

outlaw 03-24-2016 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1203117)
Those drivers are idiots plain and simple. LSV's should not be allowed on MMP"s.
They are a danger to everyone.

LSVs are only allowed to legally go no more than 25 mph, period. If they can go faster than 25 mph, they are just as illegal as a golf cart that can exceed 20 mph. Any golf cart can be modified to go much faster. LSVs are not any more dangerous than any other golf cart, some are safer because of stronger frames and other required safety features. It's the owner that is the culprit, not the vehicle.

Walter123 03-24-2016 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1203166)
LSVs are only allowed to legally go no more than 25 mph, period. If they can go faster than 25 mph, they are just as illegal as a golf cart that can exceed 20 mph. Any golf cart can be modified to go much faster. LSVs are not any more dangerous than any other golf cart, some are safer because of stronger frames and other required safety features. It's the owner that is the culprit, not the vehicle.

Yes, as my Dad would say "It's the loose nut behind the wheel" and having a loose nut behind the wheel makes the LSV dangerous. It is very tempting to want to pass someone when you have an LSV or a modified golf cart Why else would a person modify their cart but to go faster than everybody else? I'm just saying that LSV owners are likely to surpass the 20MPH speed limit on the MMP's. Remove the temptation by banning LSV's from the MMP's.

outlaw 03-24-2016 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1203167)
Yes, as my Dad would say "It's the loose nut behind the wheel" and having a loose nut behind the wheel makes the LSV dangerous. It is very tempting to want to pass someone when you have an LSV or a modified golf cart Why else would a person modify their cart but to go faster than everybody else? I'm just saying that LSV owners are likely to surpass the 20MPH speed limit on the MMP's. Remove the temptation by banning LSV's from the MMP's.

I get what you are saying. I just don't like banning something after the fact. The LSV owners bought their LSV with the understanding that they could use them on the street (if licensed and insured), as well as golf courses and MMPs. It's the person, not the vehicle. The fastest golf carts I have seen on the MMPs have been modified regular old golf carts; not LSVs.

Chellybean 03-24-2016 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1203164)
Were you upset?

first it scared the *ell out of me"
2nd i had to clean my shorts!
Third i was upset.

Does that answer your question?

Barefoot 03-24-2016 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1203082)
Wish our paper would post a picture of an adult holding an infant & caption it " what's wrong with this picture"

:agree: The picture of the adult holding the infant should be on the front page of the newspaper. The picture should include a couple of young children who are strapped into the golf club holders. :ohdear:


red tail 03-24-2016 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1203123)
That is incorrect. Most street legal carts do not have 4 wheel brakes, much less hydraulic brakes. Anyone can take a basic electric golf cart designed for golf courses, add lights, turn signals, horn, mirrors, seat belts and single pane windshield, etc., and get it certified locally for driving on the street. Then you can get it licensed and insured. Example: Parcar, which has been building LSVs for years, does not have four wheel or hydraulic brakes.

incorrect....a lsv must meet certain criteria to obtain a license plate which includes a VIN among other things like 3 point seat belts,safety windshield etc etc

RickeyD 03-24-2016 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1203206)
:agree: The picture of the adult holding the infant should be on the front page of the newspaper. The picture should include a couple of young children who are strapped into the golf club holders. :ohdear:



Should CPS be contacted ? I think so. Some people need a smack to wake up their common sense.

DonH57 03-24-2016 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyerguy (Post 1203111)
Personally, I think common sense has gone out the window for a lot of folks operating a golf cart beyond it's purpose and design. I also believe much of this is an "ego", "macho", "look at me" attitude". I fail to see why someone wants to go fast(er) in their golf cart. Why in the world are you in such a hurry, where are you going? If it's essential that I drive over a safe speed (20 mph or less) in the golf cart, I'll take the car. We like to just leisurely cruise around in the cart and enjoy ourselves. Less stress, on me and the equipment.

I agree. There's the " Look at Me" people and then the others who, even in retirement never learned how to manage time. I like to stay on island time!:laugh:


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