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spring_chicken 04-20-2016 11:47 AM

Police Dept. sign on 466
 
I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation

rjm1cc 04-20-2016 12:43 PM

I agree with the right lane but is their enough room for all the cars in the right lane?

Walter123 04-20-2016 01:04 PM

Seems that a sign like that will just confuse people around here. What if they want to make a left turn? Are they gonna stay in the right lane and then zip across the left lane to the turning lane? Don't say that it is common sense. The law should have nothing to do with common sense. It's a dumb law for local roads with multiple entrances and exits and roads where left turns are permitted. Save that law for the highways.

MnGirl 04-20-2016 01:30 PM

OMG,are you kidding????? I can't believe you'd think that!

justjim 04-20-2016 02:26 PM

I agree local roads with many business exits and entrances don't need a sign such as mentioned by OP. Perhaps the sign is more in the "rural area" of 466.

SKIMAN 04-20-2016 02:28 PM

what does Ron White say: You Cant Fix Stupid:censored:

Taltarzac725 04-20-2016 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1215146)
I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation

That was near the Village of Zamora near the Chula Vista and CR466 t-bone when I saw it a few days ago.

kansasr 04-20-2016 04:12 PM

I saw that sign today...stuck behind a car in the left lane on 466 going about 42 mph pretty much from Chula Vista Ave to More!

kstew43 04-20-2016 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1215181)
Seems that a sign like that will just confuse people around here. What if they want to make a left turn? Are they gonna stay in the right lane and then zip across the left lane to the turning lane? Don't say that it is common sense. The law should have nothing to do with common sense. It's a dumb law for local roads with multiple entrances and exits and roads where left turns are permitted. Save that law for the highways.

so true, I thought the left lane passing rule was for hwys.....not for city streets.

When you are closing in on a turn, you need to be prepared and stay in the lane you need to be in to make the turn you need to make.

I say slow down already.......

Miles42 04-20-2016 05:19 PM

I agree with the sign. If after all these years if you haven't figured it out then maybe you need to call a taxi or take the bus.

mixsonci 04-21-2016 01:20 AM

Many people drive very slow in the left lane, seems to me that would bring about a lot of unnecessary lane changing to keep passing the slower drivers, and I don't mean speeders, just driving the posted speed limit. And, as mentioned above, 466 has too many left turns to make it safe. Now you've got people trying to get over suddenly to take a left turn and other people speeding up to pass the slow drivers. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen to me.

Walter123 04-21-2016 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mixsonci (Post 1215355)
Many people drive very slow in the left lane, seems to me that would bring about a lot of unnecessary lane changing to keep passing the slower drivers, and I don't mean speeders, just driving the posted speed limit. And, as mentioned above, 466 has too many left turns to make it safe. Now you've got people trying to get over suddenly to take a left turn and other people speeding up to pass the slow drivers. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen to me.

Exactly. You said it better than I did. Leave that law for roads like the turnpike, 75, I4, etc. Not local roads. The speed limit on 466 should be 35 mph anyway. There are two school zones where you have to slow to 20 mph. I couldn't tell you how many have blown by me at 40 - 45 mph when the light is flashing to go 20. Let's face it folks, reaction times are not what they used to be.

fred53 04-21-2016 06:12 AM

"the law should have nothing to do...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1215181)
Seems that a sign like that will just confuse people around here. What if they want to make a left turn? Are they gonna stay in the right lane and then zip across the left lane to the turning lane? Don't say that it is common sense. The law should have nothing to do with common sense. It's a dumb law for local roads with multiple entrances and exits and roads where left turns are permitted. Save that law for the highways.

with common sense".

Now I understand why the phrase "you can't fix stupid" came into being.

Jima64 04-21-2016 06:30 AM

Bad sign use. When they pull you over just point out you are preparing to make a left turn. Of course , if you have been in the left lane for a mile or two the officer will need some convincing.

Walter123 04-21-2016 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by fred53 (Post 1215384)
with common sense".

Now I understand why the phrase "you can't fix stupid" came into being.

Hi Fred, Maybe you couldn't understand what I meant and that's OK, but I'll make it clearer for you. I meant that the law is the law and should not be opened to interpretation, common sense is not the same for everyone especially, as you put it, stupid people. That's why we have laws. Get it?

raynitsche 04-21-2016 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1215181)
Seems that a sign like that will just confuse people around here. What if they want to make a left turn? Are they gonna stay in the right lane and then zip across the left lane to the turning lane? Don't say that it is common sense. The law should have nothing to do with common sense. It's a dumb law for local roads with multiple entrances and exits and roads where left turns are permitted. Save that law for the highways.

You don't drive four miles in the left lane because you're going to turn.

photo1902 04-21-2016 09:18 AM

They should also put up a sign which reads "Speeder's only in the left lane"

spring_chicken 04-21-2016 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by raynitsche (Post 1215468)
You don't drive four miles in the left lane because you're going to turn.

Exactly.

kstew43 04-21-2016 12:13 PM

Driving west on Hillsboro yesterday afternoon. Speed limit is 30. Large white SUV on my ass possibly thinking that was going to get me to speed up. Not gonna happen..

When I drive the internal roads, golf carts are on my right. I can almost reach out and touch them. :gc: Then all the sudden the golf cart lane ends and merges into the car lane.

Why would you want me to drive faster than 30?

Slow down already......

kstew43 04-21-2016 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by raynitsche (Post 1215468)
You don't drive four miles in the left lane because you're going to turn.

Gotcha......so I will just stay in the right lane, going the correct speed limit.... then cut you off speeders when my turn comes.....

spring_chicken 04-21-2016 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kstew43 (Post 1215597)
Gotcha......so I will just stay in the right lane then cut you off when my turn comes.....

A lane change prior to a left turn is negotiated millions of times every day without cutting anyone off.
And it's all done without handwringing, sweating, debating on a message board, or illegally using the left lane as your own personal slow lane!
Who knew?

graciegirl 04-21-2016 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1215599)
A lane change prior to a left turn is negotiated millions of times every day without cutting anyone off.
And it's all done without handwringing, sweating, debating on a message board, or illegally using the left lane as your own personal slow lane!
Who knew?



I am just interested as to why this issue riles up some people? I hardly ever allow driving issues to make me angry. That is the most unsafe thing to do of all. I think that it is because no one I know well gets road rage, or has a short fuse while driving. It is wise to not allow issues like this to get anyone excited. At most it is ten minutes on 466A that you have to subject yourself to this frustration. I used to drive my car around Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky,West Virginia, Western Pennsylvania and Tennesee in my job as a rep. I have driven a lot. You have to not let other people's driving habits get you all mad.

spring_chicken 04-21-2016 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1215603)
I am just interested as to why this issue riles up some people? I hardly ever allow driving issues to make me angry. That is the most unsafe thing to do of all. I think that it is because no one I know gets road rage, or has a short fuse while driving. It is wise to not allow issues like this to get anyone excited. At most it is ten minutes on 466A that you have to subject yourself to this frustration.

I have no idea. I posted the info after seeing the sign, in hopes that people would follow the law. Not argue that it shouldn't be a law, or try to dream up scenarios where it would cause a wreck. I think some folks should stay home, wrapped in bubble wrap with a helmet on their head.

graciegirl 04-21-2016 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1215608)
I have no idea. I posted the info after seeing the sign, in hopes that people would follow the law. Not argue that it shouldn't be a law, or try to dream up scenarios where it would cause a wreck. I think some folks should stay home, wrapped in bubble wrap with a helmet on their head.





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dillywho 04-21-2016 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by raynitsche (Post 1215468)
You don't drive four miles in the left lane because you're going to turn.

I have seen many who do this because they know they are going to have to make a left turn but are not sure where. Not everyone has GPS or has been here a long time.

dillywho 04-21-2016 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1215603)
I am just interested as to why this issue riles up some people? I hardly ever allow driving issues to make me angry. That is the most unsafe thing to do of all. I think that it is because no one I know gets road rage, or has a short fuse while driving. It is wise to not allow issues like this to get anyone excited. At most it is ten minutes on 466A that you have to subject yourself to this frustration.

I don't know that it particularly riles up some people. I think it's just that maybe old habits die hard or that it just doesn't seem prudent in many instances. Going less than the speed limit in the left lane really does create problems. Going the posted speed limit in the left lane really shouldn't in most instances. It is also against the law to speed in order to pass.

One of the problems I see with driving in the right lane except for passing, are those people who just flat refuse to signal that they will be turning right and then everyone behind them going the speed limit having to try to avoid them at the last second.

Just my thoughts. Guess we'll soon see how it works out.

graciegirl 04-21-2016 01:36 PM

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rubicon 04-21-2016 02:06 PM

This law was passed sometime ago and this same discussion ensured on TOTV except it was discussed in terms of the Florida turnpike.

Those of us who often travel 466 understand the dilemma. Its frustrating to find people driving below 45 mph in both the right and left lane and it happens much too often. I suspect that's why the reminder by LOE

Driving too slow for conditions can be as hazardous as driving too fast for conditions It seems the saying "lead, follow or get the heck out of the way has merit here

raynitsche 04-21-2016 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1215599)
A lane change prior to a left turn is negotiated millions of times every day without cutting anyone off.
And it's all done without handwringing, sweating, debating on a message board, or illegally using the left lane as your own personal slow lane!
Who knew?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstew43 (Post 1215597)
Gotcha......so I will just stay in the right lane, going the correct speed limit.... then cut you off speeders when my turn comes.....

Yes! Exactly. Only problem being the person in the left lane is going five under the speed limit.

Topspinmo 04-21-2016 08:56 PM

Maybe they want the left lane open for the speeder's so the came create more revenue O I mean catch the law breakers.

I've never seen traffic going 45 in either lanes on 466, 50 maybe. The posted speed limit is 45. That's the maximum speed not the minimum. So I pull out to pass car going 44, it will take awhile to get around the car unless I go above the posts speed limit Hypothetically.

I keep up with the flow of traffic usually 50 to 55 on 466 through the villages.

Another point how can you get ticket going 45 in the left lane? Why did they make mult-lane roads?

Unless they changed the law from the last time I read it 6 months ago. You can only get ticketed in the left lane if you are impeding traffic reguardless of your speed.

Bottom line it's bs, you will NEVER see only right lane traffic. All lanes will be clogged with vehicles. Utterly stupid to think otherwise.

Regor 04-21-2016 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1215802)
All lanes will be clogged with vehicles. Utterly stupid to think otherwise.

Why would the right lanes be clogged?? Left lane is for passing!! You come up on a slow vehicle in the right lane, signal - pass - and return to the right lane.

If only the idiots that drive on the interstate where it is 3 lanes wide, would understand that the middle lane is not for cruising. It is a passing lane, just like the 3rd (left) lane is! I almost always drive in the right lane and I end up passing people in the middle and left lane (on their right)! Why are you idiots in the middle lane? Not very often you make a left off the interstate system.

DRIVE IN THE RIGHT LANE!!

NoMoSno 04-21-2016 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Regor (Post 1215804)
Why would the right lanes be clogged?? Left lane is for passing!! You come up on a slow vehicle in the right lane, signal - pass - and return to the right lane.

If only the idiots that drive on the interstate where it is 3 lanes wide, would understand that the middle lane is not for cruising. It is a passing lane, just like the 3rd (left) lane is! I almost always drive in the right lane and I end up passing people in the middle and left lane (on their right)! Why are you idiots in the middle lane? Not very often you make a left off the interstate system.

DRIVE IN THE RIGHT LANE!!

Those on the interstate that stay in the right lane, and don't allow traffic merging on from an entrance, are the idiots. MOVE TO THE MIDDLE LANE.

goodtimesintv 04-21-2016 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Regor (Post 1215804)
Why would the right lanes be clogged?? Left lane is for passing!! You come up on a slow vehicle in the right lane, signal - pass - and return to the right lane.

If only the idiots that drive on the interstate where it is 3 lanes wide, would understand that the middle lane is not for cruising. It is a passing lane, just like the 3rd (left) lane is! I almost always drive in the right lane and I end up passing people in the middle and left lane (on their right)! Why are you idiots in the middle lane? Not very often you make a left off the interstate system.

DRIVE IN THE RIGHT LANE!!

On a county road like 466 here, when both lanes are full of "continuous traffic" half the vehicles MUST drive in the left lane because two lanes of space are occupied--full!

When there is "continuous traffic" i.e. bumper to bumper in the right lane, when you pass them there is no space to merge yourself back into the right lane after passing!

A four-lane road like 466 with lots of left turns, stop lights, and cars turning right ONTO 466 from a dead stop and having to accelerate (such as from the gas stations at Southern Trace) is not the same as the interstate where there's a minimum speed, most are going the speed limit continuously, and nobody is slowing to almost a halt to turn onto another street.

Driving involves the driver making judgement calls all day long. This is a Michigan article, but the concept is the same, and this section below is how many of us were taught in other states:

"Church explained it like this: If there are two lanes in the same direction then the motorist is required to drive in the right lane.

But, he said, there are several exceptions: Motorists may drive in the left lane if passing, if there is a continuous flow of traffic, if turning left, or if on the freeway (i.e., the "expressway") and there are three or more lanes in one direction.

“This is primarily enforced on the expressway,” Church said. “In fact, I have never heard of an officer enforcing it anywhere else.”

“I do know of a few instances where officers did issue citations, but the magistrates seem to frown upon those tickets,” he said.

Also, Church added, the "substantially continuous lanes of traffic..." referred to in the law is undefined. It essentially means "bumper to bumper" traffic, but officers generally use a lot of discretion, he said."

Traffic talk: Is it legal to travel in the left lane? Is it illegal to pass on the right? Can you be cited? | MLive.com


NoMoSno 04-21-2016 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1215815)
On a county road like 466 here, when both lanes are full of "continuous traffic" half the vehicles MUST drive in the left lane because two lanes of space are occupied--full!

When there is "continuous traffic" i.e. bumper to bumper in the right lane, when you pass them there is no space to merge yourself back into the right lane after passing!

A four-lane road like 466 with lots of left turns, stop lights, and cars turning right ONTO 466 from a dead stop and having to accelerate (such as from the gas stations at Southern Trace) is not the same as the interstate.

Driving involves the driver making judgement calls all day long. This is a Michigan article, but the concept is the same, and this section below is how many of us were taught in other states:

"Church explained it like this: If there are two lanes in the same direction then the motorist is required to drive in the right lane.

But, he said, there are several exceptions: Motorists may drive in the left lane if passing, if there is a continuous flow of traffic, if turning left, or if on the freeway (i.e., the "expressway") and there are three or more lanes in one direction.

“This is primarily enforced on the expressway,” Church said. “In fact, I have never heard of an officer enforcing it anywhere else.”

“I do know of a few instances where officers did issue citations, but the magistrates seem to frown upon those tickets,” he said.

Also, Church added, the "substantially continuous lanes of traffic..." referred to in the law is undefined. It essentially means "bumper to bumper" traffic, but officers generally use a lot of discretion, he said."

Traffic talk: Is it legal to travel in the left lane? Is it illegal to pass on the right? Can you be cited? | MLive.com


I know that is true for Michigan Law, no passing on right.
However it is legal in Florida
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

goodtimesintv 04-21-2016 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 1215821)
I know that is true for Michigan Law, no passing on right.
However it is legal in Florida
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

I was not talking about passing on the right. I was talking about both lanes being full, bumper to bumper traffic....and half of all the vehicles must use the left lane 'cuz there's nowhere else to be, especially if you have a left turn coming up in a few blocks.

Topspinmo 04-22-2016 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Regor (Post 1215804)
Why would the right lanes be clogged?? Left lane is for passing!! You come up on a slow vehicle in the right lane, signal - pass - and return to the right lane.

If only the idiots that drive on the interstate where it is 3 lanes wide, would understand that the middle lane is not for cruising. It is a passing lane, just like the 3rd (left) lane is! I almost always drive in the right lane and I end up passing people in the middle and left lane (on their right)! Why are you idiots in the middle lane? Not very often you make a left off the interstate system.
.
DRIVE IN THE RIGHT LANE!!

So when pull up to stop light everybody should be in the right lane.
On 6 lane highway the right lane for merging traffic around towns, the middle lane for through traffic, and the left lane for passing and speeder's.

I like the idiots that tailgate in left lane when there is no where to go cause all lanes are clogged with traffic like on 27/441 through the villages.

looneycat 04-22-2016 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1215146)
I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation

on a road with roundabouts it defeats their purpose.

Kevin and Luci 04-22-2016 06:37 AM

Wasn't there a song about this? Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?............

JMEZARIC3 04-22-2016 06:49 AM

466
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1215146)
I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation

When 466 is busy you need to take your position in the left lane long before you make a left turn.If you wait to change lanes you may not have a safe opening.If all traffic was going 45 this would not be an issue but you have folks going 30 and others 60.
I am sure the law states unless passing or turning left.

looneycat 04-22-2016 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1215146)
I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation

there are a good number of exceptions. like a continuous traffic flow allows for use of the left lane. the slow driving law does not allow tailgating someone doing the limit...if you want to do 70 in a 60 you are breaking the law in any lane.


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