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janmcn 01-12-2017 02:34 PM

Repealing Obamacare
 
The senate voted 51-48 last night in favor of repealing Obamacare. The only thing required now is Trump's signature on Jan 20.

Has anyone who has a pre-existing condition with private insurance gotten their cancellation notice yet?

Now seniors can look forward to going back to the doughnut hole when buying prescription drugs. Secretary Burwell said recently on Morning Joe that seniors had saved six billion dollars on prescription drugs since Obamacare was passed. Say bye-bye to that savings.

MDLNB 01-12-2017 02:52 PM

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The senate voted 51-48 last night in favor of repealing Obamacare. The only thing required now is Trump's signature on Jan 20.

Has anyone who has a pre-existing condition with private insurance gotten their cancellation notice yet?

Now seniors can look forward to going back to the doughnut hole when buying prescription drugs. Secretary Burwell said recently on Morning Joe that seniors had saved six billion dollars on prescription drugs since Obamacare was passed. Say bye-bye to that savings.

So Jan, are you going to lose your Medicaid? I thought that stayed the same. Hope they don't take your food stamps away too. Wow, you might have to go move in with the kids.

SO glad to see congress finally getting something positive done in D.C. Can't wait for the Wall construction to start. Might even volunteer my services. Although, all they will need to do is snatch a few Illegals as they attempt to enter and put them to work on the wall to work off their punishment. Hey Jan, why don't you do something for your country and volunteer?

Sandtrap328 01-12-2017 03:09 PM

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So Jan, are you going to lose your Medicaid? I thought that stayed the same. Hope they don't take your food stamps away too. Wow, you might have to go move in with the kids.

SO glad to see congress finally getting something positive done in D.C. Can't wait for the Wall construction to start. Might even volunteer my services. Although, all they will need to do is snatch a few Illegals as they attempt to enter and put them to work on the wall to work off their punishment. Hey Jan, why don't you do something for your country and volunteer?

Well, MDLBQ, your wishes might become reality. Your pre-existing conditions (such as your enlarged prostate) will make it hard (pun intended) to keep your cheap meds.

As for a wall, Trump has said it will only be a fence in most places and that MDLBQ will be paying for it through higher prices for imported goods. Hey, you lose AGAIN. :loco:

MDLNB 01-12-2017 03:43 PM

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Well, MDLBQ, your wishes might become reality. Your pre-existing conditions (such as your enlarged prostate) will make it hard (pun intended) to keep your cheap meds.

As for a wall, Trump has said it will only be a fence in most places and that MDLBQ will be paying for it through higher prices for imported goods. Hey, you lose AGAIN. :loco:

Well sandy, no problem with my prostrate...yet. Never needed a polyp removed either, since you seem interested. I take no meds other than some vitamins and supplements.

Tell you what, Sandy I'll gladly pay a bit more for my products because I will be paying less for my insurance and other things. And as for savings, stopping the flow of illegals will save us billions, not millions. The savings in two years will pay for the wall.

So Sandy, keep hoping for failure so you will have company in your misery. Maybe Trump will fail. If he does, he will still be a hero for at least trying. Obama hasn't done anything for the average person/family. He has single handedly done major damage to America and our foreign affairs/reputation. Personally, I hoped and prayed for his success. Unlike you, I care about our country. Patriotism is wanting your country to succeed, not fail. Guess we know where you are on that scale.

Chi-Town 01-12-2017 03:45 PM

MDCPD has had shoulder and knee surgeries and is hearing impaired. Shows how messed up he is to be delighted millions will be losing their healthcare.

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MDLNB 01-12-2017 04:35 PM

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MDCPD has had shoulder and knee surgeries and is hearing impaired. Shows how messed up he is to be delighted millions will be losing their healthcare.

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Who is MDCPD and what does he have to do with this? Are you OK, Chi?

Chi-Town 01-12-2017 04:47 PM

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Who is MDCPD and what does he have to do with this? Are you OK, Chi?

Nice try. Next time you move change your screen name. MDLNB. MDCPD is my new screen name for you. CPD stands for Compulsive Posting Disorder.


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dirtbanker 01-12-2017 04:48 PM

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The senate voted 51-48 last night in favor of repealing Obamacare. The only thing required now is Trump's signature.... Secretary Burwell said recently on Morning Joe that seniors had saved six billion dollars on prescription drugs since Obamacare was passed. Say bye-bye to that savings.

Awesome news, Trump got it done and he is not even sworn in yet. A real good getter.

What happened to the 6 billion???


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MDLNB 01-12-2017 04:50 PM

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Nice try. Next time you move change your screen name.


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Wow, I'm flattered I think. My very own stalker. But, the joke is on you. I know who you are talking about, but I'll give you a hint..........keep trying.

dirtbanker 01-12-2017 04:50 PM

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So Jan, are you going to lose your Medicaid? I thought that stayed the same. Hope they don't take your food stamps away too. Wow, you might have to go move in with the kids.

What? That explains everything she posts...fat slob, bust out loser, sponging off people that made responsible decisions...

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Chi-Town 01-12-2017 05:09 PM

Repealing Obamacare
 
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Wow, I'm flattered I think. My very own stalker. But, the joke is on you. I know who you are talking about, but I'll give you a hint..........keep trying.


You yap so much you're an open book. But that's OK.

Paper1 01-12-2017 05:13 PM

The vote last night was not to repeal ACA but does start laying groundwork.

janmcn 01-12-2017 05:57 PM

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Awesome news, Trump got it done and he is not even sworn in yet. A real good getter.

What happened to the 6 billion???


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The six billion dollars stayed in seniors pockets instead of going into the coffers of big pharma, but alas that's all history now.

Picture a big doughnut, insurance pays for meds until you reach the doughnut hole, then insurance pays nothing. It's all part of medicare part D passed by W Bush.

MDLNB 01-12-2017 05:58 PM

Trump said he did not want to repeal ObieCare without first having a replacement. At the very least, they will put an expiration date on Obiecare of like two years and have another replacement already in effect before it expires. There is no reason for anyone to be concerned. After all, the whole thing was getting ready to implode anyway.

By the way, there is an example of one they wish to push, called something like "A Better Way." I haven't read it yet, but plan to download it like I did with all the variations of Obiecare before it was passed. This one is much, much shorter.

MDLNB 01-12-2017 06:03 PM

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You yap so much you're an open book. But that's OK.

Yep, the Internet is an open book. And it's easy to find information on folks IF you are interested. Not my cup of tea, though. I'm not that nosy and generally respect others privacy.

janmcn 01-12-2017 06:05 PM

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The vote last night was not to repeal ACA but does start laying groundwork.


It takes 51 votes to repeal and republicans have 52, but it takes 60 votes to replace. Not sure where they think they will get those eight votes they need.

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Trump said he did not want to repeal ObieCare without first having a replacement. At the very least, they will put an expiration date on Obiecare of like two years and have another replacement already in effect before it expires. There is no reason for anyone to be concerned. After all, the whole thing was getting ready to implode anyway.

By the way, there is an example of one they wish to push, called something like "A Better Way." I haven't read it yet, but plan to download it like I did with all the variations of Obiecare before it was passed. This one is much, much shorter.



Seriously? Has Trump ever lied about anything?

ColdNoMore 01-12-2017 06:38 PM

I can't wait...
 
...until more Trump cultist idiots like this one...finally figure out what a mistake they've made in backing Chump. :oops:

Viral Facebook fail says everything about 'Obamacare' debate stupidity

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The person who posted this *incredibly* facepalm-worthy status below falls into the second category. They seem to think that Obamacare was a total failure, but the Affordable Care Act was an emergency replacement that is working just fine.

NEWS FLASH: They are the same thing!! And now, Republicans want to take this poor fool’s health insurance away from them.

http://images.dailykos.com/images/34...png?1483915765



Although my first instinct is to laugh my azz off at their stupidity, I'm actually feeling sorry for those nitwits who backed Trump...because they weren't smart enough to figure out the truth. (we really need a slapping forehead emoji :D )

But hey, Trump loves the uneducated...so whatta ya gonna do? :shrug:

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 01-12-2017 06:44 PM

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It takes 51 votes to repeal and republicans have 52, but it takes 60 votes to replace. Not sure where they think they will get those eight votes they need.





Seriously? Has Trump ever lied about anything?

They will easily get the votes of at least eight rational moderate democrats. They'll probably have a few democrats on the committee to form a new plan.

MDLNB 01-12-2017 07:31 PM

It'll happen. It is happening.

dave harris 01-13-2017 08:02 AM

[QUOTE=Guest]So Jan, are you going to lose your Medicaid? I thought that stayed the same. Hope they don't take your food stamps away too. Wow, you might have to go move in with the kids.

SO glad to see congress finally getting something positive done in D.C. Can't wait for the Wall construction to start. Might even volunteer my services. Although, all they will need to do is snatch a few Illegals as they attempt to enter and put them to work on the wall to work off their punishment. Hey Jan, why don't you do something for your country and volunteer?[/QUOte

Wait till this creates a problem for your family or you, you will change your tone. But maybe you will say, the hell with them, after all that is your feeling here.

dirtbanker 01-13-2017 09:05 AM

Dave - did you cut your baIIs off shaving? If you watched Paul Ryan's townhall last night you would be less concerned. Possibly you did not watch because you thought (unt and Jan would not approve of you getting information from the horses mouth...

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MDLNB 01-13-2017 10:42 AM

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So Jan, are you going to lose your Medicaid? I thought that stayed the same. Hope they don't take your food stamps away too. Wow, you might have to go move in with the kids.

SO glad to see congress finally getting something positive done in D.C. Can't wait for the Wall construction to start. Might even volunteer my services. Although, all they will need to do is snatch a few Illegals as they attempt to enter and put them to work on the wall to work off their punishment. Hey Jan, why don't you do something for your country and volunteer?[/QUOte

Wait till this creates a problem for your family or you, you will change your tone. But maybe you will say, the hell with them, after all that is your feeling here.

I had NO problems UNTIL Obamacare. And my daughter pays about $13K deductible per year, THANKS to Obiecare.
They can repeal without replacing and it will be a better deal than we have now. But Republicans want to do it right this time and open up the competition so that it will drive the price down. Tell me why you don't like that? And all this crying about Medicare that you keep doing, why did you not complain about them stealing close to a trillion bucks from Medicare to pay for Medicaid?

The only problem I have with the Republican idea is that it's taken so long to bring to fruition.

dillywho 01-13-2017 11:04 AM

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...until more Trump cultist idiots like this one...finally figure out what a mistake they've made in backing Chump. :oops:

Viral Facebook fail says everything about 'Obamacare' debate stupidity



http://images.dailykos.com/images/34...png?1483915765



Although my first instinct is to laugh my azz off at their stupidity, I'm actually feeling sorry for those nitwits who backed Trump...because they weren't smart enough to figure out the truth. (we really need a slapping forehead emoji :D )

But hey, Trump loves the uneducated...so whatta ya gonna do? :shrug:

Sounds like you think everyone should be poor so they can have Obamacare. What about the people that had insurance but had to drop it because the premiums and deductibles were more than their cost of living (mortgage payments, etc.)? Young working families were expected to foot the bill for it; they just couldn't afford it. As for the last statement, it is the Obama/Clinton lovers that love the uneducated.

We have insurance (MedicareAdvantage plan), we are seniors, and still end up the the "donut hole" because of the outrageous cost of drugs. Prime example: One drug is over $900 with insurance and copay combined; yet, AstraZenica advertises that if you can't afford your medication, they can let you have it for as low as $18. Why the hell can't they just sell it for a reasonable price in the first place? Oh yeah, I forgot; they do that, then they can't afford all the TV, radio, newspaper, and magazine ads. Why not cut out all the advertising of the meds that require a doctor's prescription (all in the name of research you understand)? Pray tell me, what does this so-called research have to do with advertising. Use those monies to bring down the cost to the consumer and there would still be plenty for "research", as they call it. Instead they overcharge, advertise, and then get grants for the research, anyway. Nice racket.

And before you jump on the Medicare wagon, just know that we pay into it while we work and again when we retire and start to draw those "benefits". Combined, ours is over $200 a month, just like all others who have SS is.

MDLNB 01-13-2017 11:29 AM

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Sounds like you think everyone should be poor so they can have Obamacare. What about the people that had insurance but had to drop it because the premiums and deductibles were more than their cost of living (mortgage payments, etc.)? Young working families were expected to foot the bill for it; they just couldn't afford it. As for the last statement, it is the Obama/Clinton lovers that love the uneducated.

We have insurance (MedicareAdvantage plan), we are seniors, and still end up the the "donut hole" because of the outrageous cost of drugs. Prime example: One drug is over $900 with insurance and copay combined; yet, AstraZenica advertises that if you can't afford your medication, they can let you have it for as low as $18. Why the hell can't they just sell it for a reasonable price in the first place? Oh yeah, I forgot; they do that, then they can't afford all the TV, radio, newspaper, and magazine ads. Why not cut out all the advertising of the meds that require a doctor's prescription (all in the name of research you understand)? Pray tell me, what does this so-called research have to do with advertising. Use those monies to bring down the cost to the consumer and there would still be plenty for "research", as they call it. Instead they overcharge, advertise, and then get grants for the research, anyway. Nice racket.

And before you jump on the Medicare wagon, just know that we pay into it while we work and again when we retire and start to draw those "benefits". Combined, ours is over $200 a month, just like all others who have SS is.

I agree with you, but just a slight correction.
I do NOT pay anything into Medicare now that I am retired. Reason, because I did not opt to have Medicare B or others. Medicare A is nothing more than hospitalization, so it is useless to me. I have private insurance that pays for that stuff. Many folks that are paying for Medicare B were conned into it when they did not opt out and now pay for it. I opted out and my wife opted out. We have nothing deducted from our SS. But, otherwise I do agree with you.

janmcn 01-13-2017 11:35 AM

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They will easily get the votes of at least eight rational moderate democrats. They'll probably have a few democrats on the committee to form a new plan.



Seriously? Democrats vow not to provide one vote to replace Obamacare.

The house is voting at noon today to repeal Obamacare after the senate vote 51-48 for repeal. The only thing remaining is Trump's signature which could come as early as one week from today, then let the cancellation notices follow.

hypocritehunter 01-13-2017 02:14 PM

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Trump said he did not want to repeal ObieCare without first having a replacement. At the very least, they will put an expiration date on Obiecare of like two years and have another replacement already in effect before it expires. There is no reason for anyone to be concerned. After all, the whole thing was getting ready to implode anyway.

By the way, there is an example of one they wish to push, called something like "A Better Way." I haven't read it yet, but plan to download it like I did with all the variations of Obiecare before it was passed. This one is much, much shorter.

You bet the republican plan is much much shorter....... Actually I found it and I'll copy and paste it for you here.

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hypocritehunter 01-13-2017 02:16 PM

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They will easily get the votes of at least eight rational moderate democrats. They'll probably have a few democrats on the committee to form a new plan.

Hopefully republicans will get the same level of support from Democrats as Obama received from republicans. Dems won't vote for a bill that goes backwards.

janmcn 01-13-2017 03:07 PM

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Hopefully republicans will get the same level of support from Democrats as Obama received from republicans. Dems won't vote for a bill that goes backwards.


Dems didn't vote for the repeal, why should they vote for a replacement?

MDLNB 01-13-2017 03:27 PM

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Hopefully republicans will get the same level of support from Democrats as Obama received from republicans. Dems won't vote for a bill that goes backwards.

And the ironic point that I find very amusing is that thanks to Harry Reid, the Republicans do not need the Dems to repeal ObieCare. They only need them to replace it. So, if the Dems refuse to replace it, then THEY will be the bad guys in the next election. I know one that already said he would vote to replace it.
They will repeal it, and will replace it. I don't care if they replace it as long as the get rid of it. In this case, going back is better than keeping it. It is the largest gov blunder of all time and America NEVER wanted it.

janmcn 01-13-2017 03:42 PM

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And the ironic point that I find very amusing is that thanks to Harry Reid, the Republicans do not need the Dems to repeal ObieCare. They only need them to replace it. So, if the Dems refuse to replace it, then THEY will be the bad guys in the next election. I know one that already said he would vote to replace it.
They will repeal it, and will replace it. I don't care if they replace it as long as the get rid of it. In this case, going back is better than keeping it. It is the largest gov blunder of all time and America NEVER wanted it.




The house has voted to repeal Obamacare 227-198, after the senate voted 51-48. The only thing remaining is Trump's signature. Anyone who has private insurance and has a pre-existing condition can expect to receive their cancellation notice by Feb 1.

rustyp 01-13-2017 04:09 PM

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The house has voted to repeal Obamacare 227-198, after the senate voted 51-48. The only thing remaining is Trump's signature. Anyone who has private insurance and has a pre-existing condition can expect to receive their cancellation notice by Feb 1.

What are you doing? Yelling fire in the theater? The House passed a resolution Friday that will direct committees in the Senate to draft legislation that would repeal the ACA. This is miles away from your statement they voted to repel it. Where did you get your responsible journalism degree ? CNN ?

MDLNB 01-13-2017 04:12 PM

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The house has voted to repeal Obamacare 227-198, after the senate voted 51-48. The only thing remaining is Trump's signature. Anyone who has private insurance and has a pre-existing condition can expect to receive their cancellation notice by Feb 1.


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rustyp 01-13-2017 04:19 PM

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ColdNoMore 01-13-2017 05:01 PM

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Why does the vision of Trump's double chin, puckered into a blow-fish face...come to mind? :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

MDLNB 01-13-2017 05:06 PM

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Why does the vision of blow...come to mind? :1rotfl: :1rotfl:


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Paper1 01-13-2017 05:31 PM

I know all you Fox watchers believe everyone's cost are going down if Obamacare is repealed. Please shutoff Hannity and O'Reilly for an evening and figure out where the money is coming out of healthcare system. There are only 3 options; reduce money going to Drs, hospitals, and pharmacies, reduce insurance costs, or severely limit care to those without insurance or cash. Replacing ACA with " something great" as Mr Trump claims is as hollow as rebuilding infrastructure and military with tax cuts for all.

MDLNB 01-13-2017 05:43 PM

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I know all you Fox watchers believe everyone's cost are going down if Obamacare is repealed. Please shutoff Hannity and O'Reilly for an evening and figure out where the money is coming out of healthcare system. There are only 3 options; reduce money going to Drs, hospitals, and pharmacies, reduce insurance costs, or severely limit care to those without insurance or cash. Replacing ACA with " something great" as Mr Trump claims is as hollow as rebuilding infrastructure and military with tax cuts for all.


Competition is the short answer. But, I am sure you have already heard that, but you don't believe it.

But, I would not care if they repealed it and then DIDN'T replace it. It was better before Obiecare. I do not feel that hard working families should pay for others to have health care insurance, just because some feel it is the right thing to do.

Paper1 01-13-2017 06:50 PM

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Competition is the short answer. But, I am sure you have already heard that, but you don't believe it.

But, I would not care if they repealed it and then DIDN'T replace it. It was better before Obiecare. I do not feel that hard working families should pay for others to have health care insurance, just because some feel it is the right thing to do.

I do disagree with the competition argument as well as the selling insurance across state line will drastically lower cost. I guess I would like to hear your definition of what a hard working family is and assume you count yourself among them. I worked in manufacturing for 42 years and admit there are millions of people who worked a hell of a lot harder than I did and made a lot less.

MDLNB 01-14-2017 04:35 AM

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I do disagree with the competition argument as well as the selling insurance across state line will drastically lower cost. I guess I would like to hear your definition of what a hard working family is and assume you count yourself among them. I worked in manufacturing for 42 years and admit there are millions of people who worked a hell of a lot harder than I did and made a lot less.

Even though I empathize with the down and out, so to speak, I do not feel that it is my obligation to pay for those that did not plan their lives in such a way to take care of themselves. My family came/comes first and if I could hardly afford to pay my bills without working three jobs then, why should someone else that is doing far less get the handouts? I paid my bills, including emergency room services when I did not have insurance. I expect others to pull their own weight. And I was NOT counting on my parents when I was in my 20's to provide insurance for me and my family.
Like I said, I empathize with others, but I sacrificed for what I have and my family comes first before those that did not prepare.
Obamacare messed with my livelihood and that makes it bad. No one should be turned away and they are not. They weren't turned away from the ER before Obamacare. I know, because I was one of them that took family there in an emergency. I also used cheap clinics for those that did not have insurance. And I paid my bills. We didn't need ObieCare and now those of us that worked hard for our standard of living are having to pay for those that get the free ride.
It's not the Government footing the bill, it's us. The left made it look like everyone was paying because folks would use the ER and not pay. That's BS! They still billed you and sent the bills to collection if not paid.

Another means of getting the cost down is Tort reform. If courts didn't allow people to sue for millions, then the doctors wouldn't have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars each year for their malpractice insurance.
Competition across state lines will bring down our cost.
These things the left didn't even consider when they invented Obiecare, because they built it to FAIL on purpose. The left wants total gov controlled, single payer system. That is a big mistake and I have seen it up close in other countries.

dillywho 01-14-2017 10:37 AM

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MDCPD has had shoulder and knee surgeries and is hearing impaired. Shows how messed up he is to be delighted millions will be losing their healthcare.

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So what about those millions who have already lost their healthcare because of Obamacare because they can't afford it? When it is less to pay the fine and penalty than to have it, then guess what...it is nothing but the biggest scam ever foisted onto the American public. Remember, one of the major creators said that the public was "too stupid to figure out" what they were doing.

Whatever replaces it, my bet is that Congress won't "have to pass it to find out what's in it" this time.


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