Posted by Guest (Post 217562)

In my first question when I was a new member I asked why the number of people on this web site was so small compared to the number of people who lives in the Villages and realized that many members dont even live in the Villages. In this political sectioln I think that the num ber of people who usually write is very tiny compared to the number of members and even more tiny compared to the number of people in the Villages. Why?

Posted by Guest (Post 217562)

In my first question when I was a new member I asked why the number of people on this web site was so small compared to the number of people who lives in the Villages and realized that many members dont even live in the Villages. In this political sectioln I think that the num ber of people who usually write is very tiny compared to the number of members and even more tiny compared to the number of people in the Villages. Why?

Posted by Guest (Post 217591)

of any group, no matter how large or small represents an active entity.
Since I am a regular poster to all the forums, but political is my favorite....we are among the few willing to stand up and be counted.
What you see here on this forum is exactly the problem this great country of ours is confronted with. The majority, usually silent on everything, just will not come out and take a stance.

I don't care what the party, race, color, creed....I enjoy every debate, argument, stance....it is the participation that matters.
If we could inspire the silent majority we could make things happen for we the people....that is not likely to happen.

So those of us with the courage of our convictions.....PARTICIPATE!!!!!

We are the ones who, hopefully wil make a difference.

btk

Posted by Guest (Post 217594)

A number of us used to post in political, especially during the elections, basically to offset the mis-information that was being posted by some of the regulars. Now that the election is over, and Obama has WON, no need to interact with those who really aren't on my side of the political fence, so to speak. Its just a waste of time to read the opinions which are poorly researched and just too far fetched to be even believable. And as other have said, some of us have a real life.

Posted by Guest (Post 217594)

A number of us used to post in political, especially during the elections, basically to offset the mis-information that was being posted by some of the regulars. Its just a waste of time to read the opinions which are poorly researched and just too far fetched to be even believable. And as other have said, some of us have a real life.

Posted by Guest (Post 217606)

The Political Talk Forum is dominated, for the most part, by a relatively small number of like minded dissatisfied individuals. Not necessarily a good or bad thing, but that's the way it is.

No matter the adminstration, there will always be an opposition.

Posted by Guest (Post 217632)

:agree: Sometimes this forum resembles a Rush Limbaugh echo-chamber.

Posted by Guest (Post 217631)

Ok.......I'll play. Your criticism about poor research by "regulars" seems to forgive the fact that the link you provided for your hit on American Healthcare in an earlier post was a bit outdated. I read it and it says that all the statistics are from 1991. Ahh....excuse me sport....that would be 18 years ago. Right....I know.....time flies. A cursory check of the end notes of the stunning revelations on the reference for your research and submission reveals that much information is based on material published in the 70's. Even the later references barely reflect anything past the early and mid-nineties. Were rose colored glasses popular in the seventies? A check of the authors shows a pattern also. I won't go there. You get the point about your criticisms of "poor" research by "regulars". Do you believe the NYTIMES is an impartial, objective, unbiased purveyor of news and opinion?

So much for the obligatory relevance connection to the political forum to keep the TOTV administrators at arms length.

Regarding the second assault on "getting a life"....with cavalier arrogance, you and your friend infer that your lives are richer because you don't post with the regulars. That elitist attitude belies the fact that you don't know anything about the people you think need to get lives like yours and/or you don't have anything to contribute except ad hominem criticism.

I golf at least 3 days a week, play organized softball and work out at least 3 days a week. To compliment my quest for physical fitness, I have said before that I find excursions into TOTV mentally stimulating as this post suggests. You have to take care of your mind as well as your body. A bonus includes creatively interacting with really decent, insightful TOTV neighbors regardless of their perspectives. The laughs and exposure to a variety of opinions, even yours, are worth the occasional grinch who prefers insults to interaction.

We enjoy bicycle riding and socializing throughout our beautiful Village. I enjoy long rides through horse country with my wife on my Harley Road King Classic(that's a motorcycle). I enjoy flying with my wife, she's a licensed pilot. I write articles for professional journals and sportfishing magazines. They are as diverse as fishing in Costa Rica to converting from gas to diesel. We have plans to bonefish in The Abacos and challenge the rare and beautiful striped marlin in Cabo San Lucas. I should add I am an active member of two fishing conservation organizations and accordingly release unharmed any "catch" we make that doesn't wind up as table fare.

In the summer and early fall, I run my sportfisherman (that's a boat) chasing tuna, marlin and an assortment of pelagic species in the bluewater canyons off of Jersey, Maryland, Virginia and North Carolina.

You might catch me in the town squares if Rocky and the Rollers, Caribbean Chillers, Silver Star Band, Mary Jo Vitale or the Lenny Wilson Trio are playing. I have eclectic tastes in music. There's much more but that's all you need to know. Just as I have no idea where life's road has taken you...I'm sure its been impressive....you have no idea where my life or the lives of any TOTV members have taken them. I am fascinated by the diversity and wealth of experience they offer by posting.

I used to enjoy combat target shooting but can't find the time. I would like to play water volleyball and ride in a polo match but, I guess I spend too much time posting with my friends and neighbors, on both sides of the aisle, in TOTV. Hmmmm......yeah.....their worth it....I'm happy they continue to be a part of my "mundane" 68 year old life.

Thank you for the challenge and the mental exercise...I'm going to get a life with a few "honey do" chores now....ok honey...I'll clean up my workbench as soon as I finish this post.

rshoffer....yeah...I know....I took the bait too.

Posted by Guest (Post 217632)

:agree: Sometimes this forum resembles a Rush Limbaugh echo-chamber.

Posted by Guest (Post 217606)

The Political Talk Forum is dominated, for the most part, by a relatively small number of like minded dissatisfied individuals. Not necessarily a good or bad thing, but that's the way it is.

No matter the adminstration, there will always be an opposition.

Posted by Guest (Post 217632)

:agree: Sometimes this forum resembles a Rush Limbaugh echo-chamber.

Posted by Guest (Post 217646)

Did you ever ever question why it seems that way ? I mean, for once, sit down and analyze the "shots" you always take !!!
Oh forgot the new posting scenario.....we who post here have no life....I think CABO's post speaks volumes.
Of course we could all leave this forum and post on a thread talking about dogs peeing on their lawn, or some other "life fullfilling" thread !.....NOW, that is having a life, right ? And I will add to this that discussing a dog peeing on your lawn does not mean you have no life ! That is not a judgement that I am equipped to be able to make as you are able to judge others !
I suppose from what I am hearing from you and others that those who support Obama have a full and complete life and those who do not support him have got to get a life in some fashion !!! Sounds like his campaign rhetoric !

Posted by Guest (Post 217659)

Originally Posted by KayakerNC
Sometimes this forum resembles a Rush Limbaugh echo-chamber.


Wow. What did I say that caused you to go into a total hissy fit?:rant-rave:

Posted by Guest (Post 217660)

Oh, probably based on your track record of just "popping" in and making sarcastic comments.....basically I had one simple question...you made your normal sarcastic statement....
"Sometimes this forum resembles a Rush Limbaugh echo-chamber."
And I wanted you to answer as to why YOU think it like that ?

The rest of my "hissy fit" was simply to try and keep you from using the standard one liners that are so often used to criticize folks who post on here !

Will await your word on WHY this resembles as you so eloquently said..." a Rush Limbaugh echo chamber" !!!

Most folks who post on here have said they do not even listen to him, but of course that means nothing to you...

So we await your analysis of why what you called this forum is that ?

Posted by Guest (Post 217594)

A number of us used to post in political, especially during the elections, basically to offset the mis-information that was being posted by some of the regulars. Now that the election is over, and Obama has WON, no need to interact with those who really aren't on my side of the political fence, so to speak. Its just a waste of time to read the opinions which are poorly researched and just too far fetched to be even believable. And as other have said, some of us have a real life.

Posted by Guest (Post 217606)

The Political Talk Forum is dominated, for the most part, by a relatively small number of like minded dissatisfied individuals. Not necessarily a good or bad thing, but that's the way it is.

No matter the adminstration, there will always be an opposition.

Posted by Guest (Post 217612)

I agree. It is a sad state of affairs when someone doesn't participate after their candidate "won". A person of conviction will have an opinion one way or another and try to reason said opinion to his fellow constituents.
There is a an old movie called "12 angry Men." Basically the synopsis is---a jury who thought it was going to be an easy guilty verdict. One guy was a "holdout" and that made the other jurors angry as they wanted to go home because they thought the accused was guilty. The lone juror received the scorn of the others until they dissected the evidence more closely and one by one the jurors finally went to the other side and joined the lone juror who thought the defendant might be innocent.

I would love to see some people with "guts" defend their candidate instead of hiding behind ridicule.

Posted by Guest (Post 217632)

:agree: Sometimes this forum resembles a Rush Limbaugh echo-chamber.

Posted by Guest (Post 217644)

You are awesome Cabo, as usual.:eclipsee_gold_cup:

Posted by Guest (Post 217694)

Writers? Writers? What's this I hear about a small number of writers?

Well, I miss "Girl Talk." It looks like to me that it stopped in its tracks. (Sigh)

Oh well.

Boomer

(I know. I know. I just edited out the b****y part. You had to have been really fast to catch it. I just cannot get into something like this.)

Posted by Guest (Post 217730)

Ahhhh, btk, we meet again.

And to think I swore off ever posting again in political. But I just won't count this one because this one is merely a citation to prove a point.

I know how you loathe liberals. But I learned that even we moderates were not welcome in here. I came to political, not so very long ago, in an attempt to discuss how I saw what was happening to the party that I had always been a part of. The party that I no longer recognize. Fiscally conservative me. Socially progressive me. Nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide. And I wanted to talk about healthcare, too.

And, btw, do you remember when you had a doctor in here, who would post about things he saw on the front lines in his job. And he tried to discuss. He had interesting things to say. But I have not seen him for a while. No wondering why.

Now, I know full well, going in, that you, btk, will dismiss this as you always do and you will continue on, marching, marching, marching to that drummer.

But that's OK. I will say it anyway. Maybe somebody else will want to see it. Maybe not.

Here is a link to an old thread. If you go to page 5 and scroll down to post #48, it was you and me, btk. You and me. I had tried to discuss in this forum. I attempted communication. But this post I cite is where I finally left it. And it explains why. Please see #48. I have others in there but it is #48 where I said my goodbye. And why.

This is just for the record.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...t=22762&page=5

And another, btw, btk, the political forum looks a lot like a leaflet drop. You just fly over. There is more to winning the hearts and minds than just flying over.

Boomer (writing to you from the state of ennui)

Posted by Guest (Post 217730)

Ahhhh, btk, we meet again.

And to think I swore off ever posting again in political. But I just won't count this one because this one is merely a citation to prove a point.

I know how you loathe liberals. But I learned that even we moderates were not welcome in here. I came to political, not so very long ago, in an attempt to discuss how I saw what was happening to the party that I had always been a part of. The party that I no longer recognize. Fiscally conservative me. Socially progressive me. Nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide. And I wanted to talk about healthcare, too.

And, btw, do you remember when you had a doctor in here, who would post about things he saw on the front lines in his job. And he tried to discuss. He had interesting things to say. But I have not seen him for a while. No wondering why.

Now, I know full well, going in, that you, btk, will dismiss this as you always do and you will continue on, marching, marching, marching to that drummer.

But that's OK. I will say it anyway. Maybe somebody else will want to see it. Maybe not.

Here is a link to an old thread. If you go to page 5 and scroll down to post #48, it was you and me, btk. You and me. I had tried to discuss in this forum. I attempted communication. But this post I cite is where I finally left it. And it explains why. Please see #48. I have others in there but it is #48 where I said my goodbye. And why.

This is just for the record.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...t=22762&page=5

And another, btw, btk, the political forum looks a lot like a leaflet drop. You just fly over. There is more to winning the hearts and minds than just flying over.

Boomer (writing to you from the state of ennui)

Posted by Guest (Post 217804)

Boomer....glad to see you venturing into Politcal. Thanks for your articulate and thoughtful posts in Investment Talks. I hope you choose to play in this forum. Diversity and controversy are what make it interesting. If a post turns your smile to a frown....picture the poster "in the buff", at the town square, dancing feverishly to Rocky and the Rollers best rendition of "I'm So Excited". Works for me. When the smile comes back...gar-un-teed....hit the keyboard and level the playing field.

I hope this graphic post passes muster with the good taste police that monitor the board for erotic content. ;)

Posted by Guest (Post 217847)

Don't you think many people are completely sick of both sides? If they look in here they see lame arguments, juvenile responses and shrill jibberish.

There aren't three or four posters in here who advance valid argument for either side, argument without attack and without baiting, without vicious tone and hate, and without declining juvenile-sounding bashing.

It is a pity to watch this day in and day out. I watch only because I have to, but honestly you should be standing aside and see the general tenor here. I believe this portion of the forum has brought down the general quality and fun of the forum. People have not only refrained from posting here in political, they are reluctiant to post anywhere because of the tone of Political. I'm glad they do post, though. I feel our membership is strong, and our posting numbers are good, but I know they could be better.

Good, calm, honest argument would be fine, but so many posters come off as completely whacked out, red-faced and seething.

Because of the low quality of argument in Political, I have to level with you all, I have strongly pushed to have one of two things happen to this section of the forum. Either make it completely private so that posters have to join by request. Or make it completely separate from the main Talk of The Villages forum so that our general posters will not have to see the political posts show up in their New Post listing. Or a combination of the two.

I am quite ashamed of this section of the forum. Many posters style gives me the creeps.

This sense has come to me also, by the way, from other members of Talk of The Villages. You would be embarrassed to know how they see some of you because of your postings.

How to fix it? With calm, rational civility in your posts, like you would practice in person. Most everything in Political ends up in a fist fight, a brawl, whining about my side and wailing against the other side. I could count on one hand the number of posters who could stand up to a good old college debate.

I would suspect that some members might like to voice their thoughts without the risk of being bashed, baited, or told to leave because they can't take the bashing and baiting. It is annoying to see members tell others members to keep away if they can't stand it. It is not up to some members to tell others to leave.

Political posters really should sit back and look at the tenor here, from both sides. It is pitiful.