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redwitch 05-30-2017 09:52 AM
Politically Correct
 
This is a hot button for many. They see being politically correct as an infringement of free speech. I can't say I'm really PC since I still use male/female descriptive statements. My basic rule is that if something I say will hurt another person, I try not to say it. If that's being PC, then I'll proudly wear that mantle.

I don't take offense when people say they drank the Kool-Aid, it just hurts me. It reminds me of a young man I taught to drive and his death at the hands of his mother in Jonestown. So, yes, I ask that people not use that phrase. Some have understood and don't use it around me. Some think I'm overly sensitive and I should get over it. I just know that if the situation were reversed, I would never use that phrase around that person again.

If I see something hurtful here, I will try to speak up. What others choose to do about my comments is up to them. I'm not trying to shame someone when I make a comment but rather hoping they might see the pain they are causing another and take down or change their wording.

So, be PC or not, but please try to be kind and thoughtful. Whether we like it or not, words hurt, sometimes more than sticks and stones.

And off of this soapbox for now.

Taltarzac725 05-30-2017 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1404785)
This is a hot button for many. They see being politically correct as an infringement of free speech. I can't say I'm really PC since I still use male/female descriptive statements. My basic rule is that if something I say will hurt another person, I try not to say it. If that's being PC, then I'll proudly wear that mantle.

I don't take offense when people say they drank the Kool-Aid, it just hurts me. It reminds me of a young man I taught to drive and his death at the hands of his mother in Jonestown. So, yes, I ask that people not use that phrase. Some have understood and don't use it around me. Some think I'm overly sensitive and I should get over it. I just know that if the situation were reversed, I would never use that phrase around that person again.

If I see something hurtful here, I will try to speak up. What others choose to do about my comments is up to them. I'm not trying to shame someone when I make a comment but rather hoping they might see the pain they are causing another and take down or change their wording.

So, be PC or not, but please try to be kind and thoughtful. Whether we like it or not, words hurt, sometimes more than sticks and stones.

And off of this soapbox for now.
I recall the Jim Jones Cult mess. Jim Jones - Wikipedia I had a Sociology of Religion Professor who had researched it quite a bit. This was James Richardson at the University of Nevada, Reno. Quite a tragedy for the mothers, fathers, kids, and friends of these people. James T. Richardson - Wikipedia

Villager Joyce 05-30-2017 12:10 PM
The Golden Rule comes to mind.

Steve9930 05-30-2017 12:11 PM
Always be thoughtful and polite but if you don't like what people say then just do not hang out with these people, that is your choice. The PC culture goes astray when they believe their vue is morally superior and acts to silence the individual.

justjim 05-30-2017 12:13 PM
"My basic rule is that if something I say will hurt another person, I try not to say it". Redwich, call it what you want, I like that.

Taltarzac725 05-30-2017 12:40 PM
I just use the Ignore List quite a lot. I do peek once in a while with the View Post feature available after you put someone on your Ignore List.

If you are on the information highway you will encounter the Good Samaritan like Redwitch and others but also those full of road rage, very slow drivers, very fast drivers, and accidents I often have trouble not looking at quite a bit.

And hope that the Moderator takes those drivers on the information off who break a lot of the rules of the road.

ColdNoMore 05-30-2017 12:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1404785)
This is a hot button for many. They see being politically correct as an infringement of free speech. I can't say I'm really PC since I still use male/female descriptive statements. My basic rule is that if something I say will hurt another person, I try not to say it. If that's being PC, then I'll proudly wear that mantle.

I don't take offense when people say they drank the Kool-Aid, it just hurts me. It reminds me of a young man I taught to drive and his death at the hands of his mother in Jonestown. So, yes, I ask that people not use that phrase. Some have understood and don't use it around me. Some think I'm overly sensitive and I should get over it. I just know that if the situation were reversed, I would never use that phrase around that person again.

If I see something hurtful here, I will try to speak up. What others choose to do about my comments is up to them. I'm not trying to shame someone when I make a comment but rather hoping they might see the pain they are causing another and take down or change their wording.

So, be PC or not, but please try to be kind and thoughtful. Whether we like it or not, words hurt, sometimes more than sticks and stones.

And off of this soapbox for now.
A superbly admirable goal...and great post! :bigbow:


While I readily admit that I sometimes succumb and react to those I feel are constantly mean-spirited and let their nastiness show (both overtly and subtly), I am at least honest enough to recognize the irony of my sometimes intolerance...toward those who are consistently intolerant. :shrug:

Bowtorc 05-30-2017 01:16 PM
I agree

golfing eagles 05-30-2017 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1404829)
"My basic rule is that if something I say will hurt another person, I try not to say it". Redwich, call it what you want, I like that.
Good advice, but that is common courtesy. PC has gone way beyond that, with rules for gender self-identification, illegal aliens referred to as "undocumented", and assaults on the American flag. The latest is police cannot call a suspect a suspect, they must refer to them as "community members" Enough is enough.

Steve9930 05-30-2017 02:25 PM
It basicly comes down to this, you can say what you please and I can choose to !isten or not. I also will stand up and defend your right to say what just may turn my stomach.

rubicon 05-30-2017 02:56 PM
"Politically correct" surprise the term "politically"didn't trigger a moderator to move this threat to "political talk"
However, I am glad a moderator has not because Political Talk has a few posters who identify as trolls:D

As to the subject manner First Amendment, Right To Free Speech is guaranteed to to offend someone.

Political correctness has Marxist beginnings meant to suppress free speech..trigger warning, micro-agressions, claims of cultural appropriations can not survive in a democratic society.

Steve9930 05-30-2017 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1404883)
"Politically correct" surprise the term "politically"didn't trigger a moderator to move this threat to "political talk"
However, I am glad a moderator has not because Political Talk has a few posters who identify as trolls:D

As to the subject manner First Amendment, Right To Free Speech is guaranteed to to offend someone.

Political correctness has Marxist beginnings meant to suppress free speech..trigger warning, micro-agressions, claims of cultural appropriations can not survive in a democratic society.
Right on target. Once you start to apply filters to speach, you start to limit freedom of thought. One must also understand that there are consequences to what you say. While the constitution limits the Government's power it does nothing to limit the mob mentality of society.

manaboutown 05-30-2017 05:13 PM
The principles of political correctness have been used by totalitarian regimes such as the Nationalist Socialist party (Nazis) in Germany and the Communist party (Reds) of the USSR to subjugate and control their populaces. I refuse to knuckle under to PC demands and shall continue, for example, to call an illegal alien an illegal alien as that term is most accurately descriptive.

dewilson58 05-30-2017 05:56 PM
Too much PC for me.

Taltarzac725 05-30-2017 07:04 PM
Politically correct to me means that people are all saying the same thing because of fear of some central authority and what that power might do to them. Just being kind to others is quite different.

redwitch 05-30-2017 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1404950)
Too much PC for me.
:p :p :p

Fredman 05-30-2017 08:05 PM
No pc for me

Toymeister 05-30-2017 08:24 PM
I am a Department of Defense employee. This year I had to take transgender sensitivity training. That is not a joke. You paid me to take that PC training. I was and am offended. You should be as well. It is impossible to please everyone,political correctness has gone too far.

xNYer 05-30-2017 08:29 PM
Pc
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1404933)
The principals of political correctness have been used by totalitarian regimes such as the Nationalist Socialist party (Nazis) in Germany and the Communist party (Reds) of the USSR to subjugate and control their populaces. I refuse to knuckle under to PC demands and shall continue, for example, to call an illegal alien an illegal alien as that term is most accurately descriptive.
Obviously Nazi's engaged in politically correct behavior to avoid offending minorities?

Allegiance 05-30-2017 08:32 PM
In a role play during a government sensitivity training class I once suggested that the "victim" be sent to oversensitivity training. The instructor did not think it was funny.

I still do. The pc bs has gone wayyyy too far.

Sandtrap328 05-30-2017 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1404933)
The principals of political correctness have been used by totalitarian regimes such as the Nationalist Socialist party (Nazis) in Germany and the Communist party (Reds) of the USSR to subjugate and control their populaces. I refuse to knuckle under to PC demands and shall continue, for example, to call an illegal alien an illegal alien as that term is most accurately descriptive.

What are some of the principles of political correctness you are speaking about in your first sentence?

As for your second sentence, I hope you do not call other races, ethnicities, gendered identified, etc by names not "PC".

We have to have and to use common courtesy in speaking of and about others.

ColdNoMore 05-30-2017 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1405011)
What are some of the principles of political correctness you are speaking about in your first sentence?

As for your second sentence, I hope you do not call other races, ethnicities, gendered identified, etc by names not "PC".

We have to have and to use common courtesy in speaking of and about others.
:thumbup:


In an awful lot of cases, being 'politically correct' is simply another name...for exhibiting 'manners.' :shrug:

Taltarzac725 05-30-2017 09:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1405009)
Obviously Nazi's engaged in politically correct behavior to avoid offending minorities?
Control of speech is what the Nazis and other totalitarian regimes did. If you spoke up against Hitler you were mentally ill, an enemy of the state, and/or headed for the gas chambers.

dbussone 05-30-2017 09:29 PM
Politically Correct
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1405012)
:thumbup:


In an awful lot of cases, being 'politically correct' is simply another name...for exhibiting 'manners.' :shrug:


And in many, being PC is intended to obfuscate the truth, e.g.,

Undocumented worker = illegal alien

Undocumented pharmacist = drug dealer (my favorite)

Bald- Comb free

Blind- Visually challenged

Bum - Homeless Person

Cannibalism - Intra-Species Dining

Cheating - Academic Dishonesty

Cowardly - Challenge Challenged

Dead - living impaired

Dish Washer - utensil sanitizer

Fat - People of Mass or I'm just "thick"

Gang - Youth Group

Homeless - outdoor urban dwellers

Insult - Emotional Rape

Midget / Dwarf - Little People

Redneck - person of region

Drunk - spacially perplexed

Dishonest - Ethically disoriented.

Garbage Man - sanitation engineer

Gas Station Attendent - petroleum transfer technician

Mankind- Earth Children

Geek, Nerd, - socially challenged

Loser - uniquely fortuned individual on an alternative career path

I'm sure you get my point. Sometimes "manners" is just another way of obfuscating. In the real world of work, I used to call much of it "up the ladder sideways." Why would a person be a manager, when they managed nothing. How about a director who had no direction.

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manaboutown 05-30-2017 09:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1405012)
:thumbup:


In an awful lot of cases, being 'politically correct' is simply another name...for exhibiting 'manners.' :shrug:
Being politically correct is a sign of being brainwashed.

ColdNoMore 05-30-2017 09:48 PM
Thanks to all that proved my point...I appreciate it. :ho:

Uberschaf 05-31-2017 03:34 AM
I wish offended people would react like fainting goats and quietly tip over.

rubicon 05-31-2017 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Uberschaf (Post 1405063)
I wish offended people would react like fainting goats and quietly tip over.
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

rubicon 05-31-2017 04:05 AM
The application of politically correct speech primary purpose is to stifle debate and one's opinion.

It use to be if someone desired to show good manners they simply remained reticent.

Unfortunately we have all too often and for too long witnessed that the art of reticence is lost on portion of our population

golfing eagles 05-31-2017 04:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1405011)
What are some of the principles of political correctness you are speaking about in your first sentence?

As for your second sentence, I hope you do not call other races, ethnicities, gendered identified, etc by names not "PC".

We have to have and to use common courtesy in speaking of and about others.

Obviously agree, but there is a HUGE difference between a racial or ethnic slur and some of these "PC" terms.

I still refer to my grandson as a freshman, not a "first year", I think a "first year" best describes a baby in diapers.

I will continue to refer to a murder suspect as just that, not a "community member"

And if a 16 year old girl takes offense at being called a girl because she has "self identified" as gender neutral, well TFB. Very easy to identify her gender---and note that it is SHE, not ZE. Please keep HER out of the MEN's room.

Bay Kid 05-31-2017 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Villager Joyce (Post 1404826)
The Golden Rule comes to mind.
This says it all.

Steve9930 05-31-2017 09:23 AM
PC and being courteous and respectfull are not one in the same. The architects of PC would have you believe they are one and the same. PC is surpression of speach. PC is about controlling your tboughts and ideas to make them conform to someone's standards who be!ieves your ideas are incorrect and their ideas are far superior to yours. PC is the first step in the destruction of a free society. Its a tool used control the masses. So when you see people promte this it has nothing to do with common courtesy and being polite.

dewilson58 05-31-2017 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1405181)
PC and being courteous and respectfull are not one in the same. The architects of PC would have you believe they are one and the same. PC is surpression of speach. PC is about controlling your tboughts and ideas to make them conform to someone's standards who be!ieves your ideas are incorrect and their ideas are far superior to yours. PC is the first step in the destruction of a free society. Its a tool used control the masses. So when you see people promte this it has nothing to do with common courtesy and being polite.
Yep

I have a daughter living in Seattle and she is afraid to speak in the liberal city.

redwitch 05-31-2017 09:40 AM
I totally agree that PC can be taken too far and be totally ridiculous. However, does being opposed to being PC really give someone the right to say things that they know are hurtful to another? Yes, we have the right to open our mouths and let vitriol spew but I do believe there should be a line and that line is being hurtful, deliberately rude or downright cruel. How do you justify to yourself and others deliberately hurting another simply because a word or phrase is innocuous to you but knowing it causes pain to another?

Steve9930 05-31-2017 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1405187)
I totally agree that PC can be taken too far and be totally ridiculous. However, does being opposed to being PC really give someone the right to say things that they know are hurtful to another? Yes, we have the right to open our mouths and let vitriol spew but I do believe there should be a line and that line is being hurtful, deliberately rude or downright cruel. How do you justify to yourself and others deliberately hurting another simply because a word or phrase is innocuous to you but knowing it causes pain to another?
Free speach comes with risk. It comes with the risk of being offended. It also comes with the ability to ignore it. Just who will draw the line that can't be crossed? When it comes to safety of others its easy. You cannot shout "fire" in a crowded theator. When it comes to feelings its impossible to draw a line. PC is dangerous. Pepole died because others were afraid to speak. PC is intended to control not regulate civility. There is a book thousands of years old that regulates civility, the bible. There is no human today that can come up with any better rules.

manaboutown 05-31-2017 10:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1405181)
PC and being courteous and respectfull are not one in the same. The architects of PC would have you believe they are one and the same. PC is surpression of speach. PC is about controlling your tboughts and ideas to make them conform to someone's standards who be!ieves your ideas are incorrect and their ideas are far superior to yours. PC is the first step in the destruction of a free society. Its a tool used control the masses. So when you see people promte this it has nothing to do with common courtesy and being polite.
:agree:

Well stated!

Bonny 05-31-2017 10:21 AM
PC can get out of hand. I try to be somewhat sensitive, but people can get so carried away with it. Let's rename the the Washington Redskins, let's stop the Seminoles from doing the signature chop.
How far do we take it ?
Of course, I do like being a domestic engineer. Makes me sound way more important. LOL ;)

dbussone 05-31-2017 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1405204)
PC can get out of hand. I try to be somewhat sensitive, but people can get so carried away with it. Let's rename the the Washington Redskins, let's stop the Seminoles from doing the signature chop.

How far do we take it ?

Of course, I do like being a domestic engineer. Makes me sound way more important. LOL ;)


Wow, Bonny. A domestic engineer AND a domestic goddess! [emoji41]


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Madelaine Amee 05-31-2017 10:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1405204)
PC can get out of hand. I try to be somewhat sensitive, but people can get so carried away with it. Let's rename the the Washington Redskins, let's stop the Seminoles from doing the signature chop.
How far do we take it ?
Of course, I do like being a domestic engineer. Makes me sound way more important. LOL ;)
We were watching European Rugby this past weekend. I was away from the TV and heard this singing American Indian chant, when I looked at the TV one of the teams was called "Chiefs" and the spectators were happily wearing headdresses and singing a chant and NOBODY was in the least bit bothered. We both remarked that it would never have been allowed in the U.S.

It's gone too far and is now in the stupid zone.

Sandtrap328 05-31-2017 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1405181)
PC and being courteous and respectfull are not one in the same. The architects of PC would have you believe they are one and the same. PC is surpression of speach. PC is about controlling your tboughts and ideas to make them conform to someone's standards who be!ieves your ideas are incorrect and their ideas are far superior to yours. PC is the first step in the destruction of a free society. Its a tool used control the masses. So when you see people promte this it has nothing to do with common courtesy and being polite.
WRONG!

If, however, you believe what you said is correct, give some examples of political correctness speech is the first step in destroying a free society.


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