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Bog99 10-01-2017 07:14 AM

Are there any Christians in The Villages?
 
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CowBubba 10-01-2017 07:28 AM

I know a lady that is close, but don't look on the political forum for Christians.

Bog99 10-01-2017 07:37 AM

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...llages-247308/

billethkid 10-01-2017 11:14 AM

bait!!!

Bog99 10-01-2017 11:17 AM

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bait!!!

Is there something wrong with asking that question?
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Bog99 10-01-2017 12:35 PM

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bait!!!

Is there something wrong with asking that question?
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billethkid 10-01-2017 02:18 PM

It sorta ranks with the question...if it is noon is is daytime or night time!!!

mellincf 10-01-2017 02:32 PM

Kind of depends on whom you consider a Christian. Do the women cover their hair with a hijab, as is commanded in 1 Corinthians 11:6? Do they know who King James I of England was, and why they read HIS "version" of the Bible, the KJV? Are they aware of what influence Constantine had on the Bible? Do you know that not one single Gospel was written until decades after the historical Jesus was dead, and so therefore no one actually heard what he had to say? If you're Protestant, do you know why? How much do you really know about the religion before you profess to call yourself "Christian".

Cedwards38 10-01-2017 02:57 PM

Lots more that claim it than actually live it.

rubicon 10-01-2017 03:02 PM

You pose the wrong question. Worse yet you seem unable to answer your own question.

What I would say, is that it is God alone ,who can make that judgment without equivocation about each of us.

Personal Best Regards:

Bog99 10-01-2017 03:44 PM

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You pose the wrong question. Worse yet you seem unable to answer your own question.

What I would say, is that it is God alone ,who can make that judgment without equivocation about each of us.

Personal Best Regards:

Oh no.... not YOU again.

Bog99 10-01-2017 03:47 PM

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Kind of depends on whom you consider a Christian. Do the women cover their hair with a hijab, as is commanded in 1 Corinthians 11:6? Do they know who King James I of England was, and why they read HIS "version" of the Bible, the KJV? Are they aware of what influence Constantine had on the Bible? Do you know that not one single Gospel was written until decades after the historical Jesus was dead, and so therefore no one actually heard what he had to say? If you're Protestant, do you know why? How much do you really know about the religion before you profess to call yourself "Christian".

In other words, you know a lot about trees and nothing about forests.


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Byte1 10-01-2017 07:04 PM

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In other words, you know a lot about trees and nothing about forests.


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That is a very good line, and pertinent too.

Don Baldwin 10-01-2017 07:14 PM

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Kind of depends on whom you consider a Christian. Do the women cover their hair with a hijab, as is commanded in 1 Corinthians 11:6? Do they know who King James I of England was, and why they read HIS "version" of the Bible, the KJV? Are they aware of what influence Constantine had on the Bible? Do you know that not one single Gospel was written until decades after the historical Jesus was dead, and so therefore no one actually heard what he had to say? If you're Protestant, do you know why? How much do you really know about the religion before you profess to call yourself "Christian".

I learned a LOT about religion and deities, when I wondered "why don't I get what everyone else does"? I learned...they've been snookered...for 10%.

There are a LOT of "God's Laws" they don't follow. Their "Bible" has been picked over, rewritten, books deleted...until it became a shell of the "original". They believe that the books of Matthew and John are "original" written by the original apostles. The Protestants were protesting...

The trouble is...they get their information fro fellow believers and they never get to hear opposing views. Like here when I talk about minorities...they have their preconceived beliefs and they won't hear ANYTHING contradictory.

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You pose the wrong question. Worse yet you seem unable to answer your own question.

What I would say, is that it is God alone ,who can make that judgment without equivocation about each of us.

Personal Best Regards:

If you know the answer...you don't have a question. And you THINK you have an answer with a "God"...you couldn't be more wrong.

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In other words, you know a lot about trees and nothing about forests.


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You MUST know the trees to know the forest. For the forest is nothing if not a collection of individual trees.

Bog99 10-01-2017 07:42 PM

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Kind of depends on whom you consider a Christian. Do the women cover their hair with a hijab, as is commanded in 1 Corinthians 11:6? Do they know who King James I of England was, and why they read HIS "version" of the Bible, the KJV? Are they aware of what influence Constantine had on the Bible? Do you know that not one single Gospel was written until decades after the historical Jesus was dead, and so therefore no one actually heard what he had to say? If you're Protestant, do you know why? How much do you really know about the religion before you profess to call yourself "Christian".

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I learned a LOT about religion and deities, when I wondered "why don't I get what everyone else does"? I learned...they've been snookered...for 10%.

There are a LOT of "God's Laws" they don't follow. Their "Bible" has been picked over, rewritten, books deleted...until it became a shell of the "original". They believe that the books of Matthew and John are "original" written by the original apostles. The Protestants were protesting...

The trouble is...they get their information fro fellow believers and they never get to hear opposing views. Like here when I talk about minorities...they have their preconceived beliefs and they won't hear ANYTHING contradictory.



If you know the answer...you don't have a question. And you THINK you have an answer with a "God"...you couldn't be more wrong.



You MUST know the trees to know the forest. For the forest is nothing if not a collection of individual trees.



If you're not a Christian, why are you here yakking about it?

If it's not your bag, why don't you just shut up about it and go away?

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Fraugoofy 10-01-2017 07:43 PM

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I learned a LOT about religion and deities, when I wondered "why don't I get what everyone else does"? I learned...they've been snookered...for 10%.

There are a LOT of "God's Laws" they don't follow. Their "Bible" has been picked over, rewritten, books deleted...until it became a shell of the "original". They believe that the books of Matthew and John are "original" written by the original apostles. The Protestants were protesting...

The trouble is...they get their information fro fellow believers and they never get to hear opposing views. Like here when I talk about minorities...they have their preconceived beliefs and they won't hear ANYTHING contradictory.



If you know the answer...you don't have a question. And you THINK you have an answer with a "God"...you couldn't be more wrong.



You MUST know the trees to know the forest. For the forest is nothing if not a collection of individual trees.

So you are a racist AND an atheist? Great combo. I bet you make your mama proud..

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Don Baldwin 10-01-2017 07:46 PM

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If you're not a Christian, why are you here yakking about it?

If it's not your bag, why don't you just shut up about it and go away?

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And I should shut up that America is being overrun by minorities too?

Something being fake...a lie...is the reason to talk about it.

Why do I bother...

Don Baldwin 10-01-2017 07:54 PM

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So you are a racist AND an atheist? Great combo. I bet you make your mama proud..

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She is... And so is "your God". He gave us free thought for a reason...and IF he's really omnipotent...he's NOT concerned with what I'm thinking/doing. He SHOULD be proud of us for thinking outside the box. Aren't you proud when your kid does something novel that works? "We're all his children" so he should be proud too.

Or...are we dealing with the "mean" God? The first one...the OT God.

Bog99 10-01-2017 08:38 PM

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And I should shut up that America is being overrun by minorities too?

Something being fake...a lie...is the reason to talk about it.

Why do I bother...


Religion is not politics.

What other people think about Christianity --- what is it to you?


If you don't like it, you can mind your own business.

Fraugoofy 10-01-2017 09:35 PM

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Religion is not politics.

What other people think about Christianity --- what is it to you?


If you don't like it, you can mind your own business.

Amen brother! I couldn't agree more!!

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rubicon 10-02-2017 03:50 AM

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Oh no.... not YOU again.

You just hate it when I continually provide the right answers but not the answers you hoped.

There is a movement on in America where more and more people are returning to the word of God because they have seen what secularism offers and it is not enough.

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rubicon 10-02-2017 04:03 AM

Thou Shall Not Have Strange gods Before Thee
 
Our country was founded as “one nation under God,” and recognized worldwide as a Christian nation of high moral integrity and prosperity. But, following World War II, there ensued a strong movement especially noted in the sixties to disassociate all public and government-sponsored initiatives from God (hence, secularism). On a more material front, the trials of the Great Depression and the War resulted in a national trend toward utility over beauty. Industrialization fueled this further by promoting standardization and lower costs over uniqueness and beauty. The pursuit of quality was replaced by the pursuit of quantity. Consumerism displaced notions of restraint and replaced them with a lust to have more, and the “shop till you drop” mentality. Garages across America turned from places to preserve and maintain automobiles into storehouses for unneeded junk. Greater value was given to cheap disposable items than to that which was enduring and beautiful.

Essentially too many Americans kneel at the floor of consumerism their god. Its why Christmas has no special meaning any longer nor Easter.

It simply means too many Americans know the price of everything but the value of nothing. the intrinsic beauty of person places and things is lost on too many. Those that still adhere to it will understand this post.

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dirtbanker 10-02-2017 06:07 AM

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Not many. Most move outside after they get brainwashed by a nearby church...too much sin in TV for them to stay right with god.



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mellincf 10-02-2017 06:27 AM

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Religion is not politics.

What other people think about Christianity --- what is it to you?


If you don't like it, you can mind your own business.

Religion is ALL politics. That's why I first posted you should know the history of your religion. Martin Luther was protesting against the politics of the Catholic church, and if you are currently a Protest - ant, that's why. Politics. The abortion debate is all politics. The gay debate is all politics. Separation of church and state is politics.

mellincf 10-02-2017 06:33 AM

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Our country was founded as “one nation under God,” and recognized worldwide as a Christian nation of high moral integrity and prosperity. But, following World War II, there ensued a strong movement especially noted in the sixties to disassociate all public and government-sponsored initiatives from God (hence, secularism). On a more material front, the trials of the Great Depression and the War resulted in a national trend toward utility over beauty. Industrialization fueled this further by promoting standardization and lower costs over uniqueness and beauty. The pursuit of quality was replaced by the pursuit of quantity. Consumerism displaced notions of restraint and replaced them with a lust to have more, and the “shop till you drop” mentality. Garages across America turned from places to preserve and maintain automobiles into storehouses for unneeded junk. Greater value was given to cheap disposable items than to that which was enduring and beautiful.

Essentially too many Americans kneel at the floor of consumerism their god. Its why Christmas has no special meaning any longer nor Easter.

It simply means too many Americans know the price of everything but the value of nothing. the intrinsic beauty of person places and things is lost on too many. Those that still adhere to it will understand this post.

Personal Best Regards:

"One Nation Under God" replaced our ORIGINAL MOTTO "E Pluribus Unum" in 1957 during the Cold War. This is the crux of the entire discussion, politics and religion. Did you get that "information" from your pastor?

Quit getting your history from your pastor and read a history book. This country was NOT founded as a Christian nation. The words "God" and "Christianity" appear NOWHERE in the Constitution. "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."--John Adams, 2nd President of the United States. Thomas Jefferson: “Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.” James Madison: “The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.” I could go on for pages of quotes. Your pastor has a POLITICAL agenda to promote the erroneous idea that this is a "Christian" nation. It most assuredly IS NOT.

billethkid 10-02-2017 08:45 AM

For those who offer the premise "...there aren't many left...":

Of all religious groups, Christian population size remains largest | Pew Research Center

It is fine to offer and have an opinion. It is not fine to present it as an official general statement.

Remember the case of looking at the world through a straw?
When looking at the side of an elephant the observer was quick to point out the world has turned gray!!

CowBubba 10-02-2017 09:06 AM

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"One Nation Under God" replaced our ORIGINAL MOTTO "E Pluribus Unum" in 1957 during the Cold War. This is the crux of the entire discussion, politics and religion. Did you get that "information" from your pastor?

Quit getting your history from your pastor and read a history book. This country was NOT founded as a Christian nation. The words "God" and "Christianity" appear NOWHERE in the Constitution. "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."--John Adams, 2nd President of the United States. Thomas Jefferson: “Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.” James Madison: “The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.” I could go on for pages of quotes. Your pastor has a POLITICAL agenda to promote the erroneous idea that this is a "Christian" nation. It most assuredly IS NOT.

Thank you. It is amazing how many people believe it has been around for ever. It was invented by some religious nuts in the 1950,s.:boxing2:

Byte1 10-02-2017 01:41 PM

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"One Nation Under God" replaced our ORIGINAL MOTTO "E Pluribus Unum" in 1957 during the Cold War. This is the crux of the entire discussion, politics and religion. Did you get that "information" from your pastor?

Quit getting your history from your pastor and read a history book. This country was NOT founded as a Christian nation. The words "God" and "Christianity" appear NOWHERE in the Constitution. "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."--John Adams, 2nd President of the United States. Thomas Jefferson: “Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.” James Madison: “The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.” I could go on for pages of quotes. Your pastor has a POLITICAL agenda to promote the erroneous idea that this is a "Christian" nation. It most assuredly IS NOT.

Whether you are a believer or not is up to you and GOD. But to tell others that they do NOT believe or that they are NOT Christians, is just a ridiculous statement to make, since you do not know. It is your opinion.
Yes, this country was founded by believers whether you wish to believe it or not. ALL 50 state constitutions mention GOD at least once with over 200 times total.

Please remember that GOD is also mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

There is 68 references to God in U.S. code.

"On the day that Congress finished its work on the First Amendment, it called on President George Washington to issue a Proclamation to the people of the United States to thank God for the freedoms we enjoy. A week and a day later the President's opening paragraph in his Proclamation said: "Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor . . ."

It is wrong to suggest that this country was not founded by Christian believers, giving all the glory to GOD.

mellincf 10-02-2017 03:02 PM

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Whether you are a believer or not is up to you and GOD. But to tell others that they do NOT believe or that they are NOT Christians, is just a ridiculous statement to make, since you do not know. It is your opinion.
Yes, this country was founded by believers whether you wish to believe it or not. ALL 50 state constitutions mention GOD at least once with over 200 times total.

Please remember that GOD is also mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

There is 68 references to God in U.S. code.

"On the day that Congress finished its work on the First Amendment, it called on President George Washington to issue a Proclamation to the people of the United States to thank God for the freedoms we enjoy. A week and a day later the President's opening paragraph in his Proclamation said: "Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor . . ."

It is wrong to suggest that this country was not founded by Christian believers, giving all the glory to GOD.

You seem to conflate "God" with "Christianity". So apparently you believe only Christians believe in God?

wjboyer1 10-02-2017 03:14 PM

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You seem to conflate "God" with "Christianity". So apparently you believe only Christians believe in God?

The genius of the Declaration is the inclusive way the divine is given expression. The appellations of God are generic. All can regard their rights as unalienable, their liberty as inviolable.

Don Baldwin 10-02-2017 04:29 PM

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The genius of the Declaration is the inclusive way the divine is given expression. The appellations of God are generic. All can regard their rights as unalienable, their liberty as inviolable.

But yet...we're slaves of God? We are guaranteed "by God" absolute freedom...liberty...except from him?

Anyone find that ironic?

How about now?

How about now?

Fraugoofy 10-02-2017 06:48 PM

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She is... And so is "your God". He gave us free thought for a reason...and IF he's really omnipotent...he's NOT concerned with what I'm thinking/doing. He SHOULD be proud of us for thinking outside the box. Aren't you proud when your kid does something novel that works? "We're all his children" so he should be proud too.

Or...are we dealing with the "mean" God? The first one...the OT God.

Happy you finally admitted you are a racist AND and athiest, all in one full swoop. Saves everyone a lot of time in reading through all of your rhetoric...we all know where you stand, and it ain't on the side of the righteous!

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Bog99 10-02-2017 10:31 PM

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Whether you are a believer or not is up to you and GOD. But to tell others that they do NOT believe or that they are NOT Christians, is just a ridiculous statement to make, since you do not know. It is your opinion.
Yes, this country was founded by believers whether you wish to believe it or not. ALL 50 state constitutions mention GOD at least once with over 200 times total.

Please remember that GOD is also mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

There is 68 references to God in U.S. code.

"On the day that Congress finished its work on the First Amendment, it called on President George Washington to issue a Proclamation to the people of the United States to thank God for the freedoms we enjoy. A week and a day later the President's opening paragraph in his Proclamation said: "Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor . . ."

It is wrong to suggest that this country was not founded by Christian believers, giving all the glory to GOD.


Absolutely!

"... endowed by their Creator...."



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mellincf 10-03-2017 09:19 AM

Why the United States is NOT a Christian nation.


When Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, he spoke of "unalienable rights endowed by our Creator." He used generic religious language that all religious groups of the day would respond to, not narrowly Christian language traditionally employed by nations with state churches. Through ratification of the First Amendment, observed Jefferson, the American people built a "wall of separation between church and state." Early national leaders understood that separation of church and state would be good for all faiths including Christianity. Jefferson rejoiced that Virginia had passed his religious freedom law, noting that it would ensure religious freedom for "the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, the infidel of every denomination." President George Washington, in a famous 1790 letter to a Jewish congregation in Newport, R.I., celebrated the fact that Jews had full freedom of worship in America. Noted Washington, "All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship." Washington's administration even negotiated a treaty with the Muslim rulers of north Africa that stated explicitly that the United States was not founded on Christianity. The pact, known as the Treaty with Tripoli, was approved unanimously by the Senate in 1797, under the administration of John Adams. Article 11 of the treaty states, "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…."
Americans should be proud that we live in a democracy that welcomes persons of many faiths and none. Around the globe, millions of people still dwell under oppressive regimes where religion and government are harshly commingled. (Iran and the former Taliban regime of Afghanistan are just two examples.) Many residents of those countries look to the United States as beacon of hope and a model for what their own nations might someday become.

rubicon 10-03-2017 02:06 PM

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"One Nation Under God" replaced our ORIGINAL MOTTO "E Pluribus Unum" in 1957 during the Cold War. This is the crux of the entire discussion, politics and religion. Did you get that "information" from your pastor?

Quit getting your history from your pastor and read a history book. This country was NOT founded as a Christian nation. The words "God" and "Christianity" appear NOWHERE in the Constitution. "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."--John Adams, 2nd President of the United States. Thomas Jefferson: “Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.” James Madison: “The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.” I could go on for pages of quotes. Your pastor has a POLITICAL agenda to promote the erroneous idea that this is a "Christian" nation. It most assuredly IS NOT.

While the founders made clear the separation of God and state they did not believe or intend for them to be mutually exclusive. Better than half the men who signed the Declaration Of Independence were pastors.

God has always been a part of America.

Personal Best Regards:

Bog99 10-03-2017 02:50 PM

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While the founders made clear the separation of God (maybe "church" as opposed to "God"?) and state they did not believe or intend for them to be mutually exclusive.

Better than half the men who signed the Declaration Of Independence were pastors.

God has always been a part of America.

Personal Best Regards:

Wow -- awesome.

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ColdNoMore 10-03-2017 03:09 PM

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While the founders made clear the separation of God and state they did not believe or intend for them to be mutually exclusive. Better than half the men who signed the Declaration Of Independence were pastors.

God has always been a part of America.

Personal Best Regards:

Did you really think you were going to get away with...another one of your outright lies? :oops:

1 out of 56 equals 'most'? No, it doesn't | PolitiFact

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During the Republican debate, Mike Huckabee said he believes one of the defining issues facing the country is the sanctity of human life. Arguing that the issue is of historical importance, he invoked the Declaration of Independence's rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and said that most of the signers of the declaration were clergymen.

Not even close.

Only one of the 56 was an active clergyman
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and that was John Witherspoon. Witherspoon was a Presbyterian minister and president of the College of New Jersey (now Princeton University).


You're welcome. ;)


With being a plagiarizer, liar, bigot/racist, pseudo-intellectual and fake Christian...you're quite the complete Chump Cultist. :thumbup:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

mellincf 10-03-2017 04:20 PM

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Did you really think you were going to get away with...another one of your outright lies? :oops:

1 out of 56 equals 'most'? No, it doesn't | PolitiFact




You're welcome. ;)


With being a plagiarizer, liar, bigot/racist, pseudo-intellectual and fake Christian...you're quite the complete Chump Cultist. :thumbup:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Thank you. Some "Christians" are apparently unable to fact check, and worse, trust Huckabee to know what he's talking about.

Bog99 10-04-2017 01:34 AM

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Did you really think you were going to get away with...another one of your outright lies? :oops:

1 out of 56 equals 'most'? No, it doesn't | PolitiFact




You're welcome. ;)


With being a plagiarizer, liar, bigot/racist, pseudo-intellectual and fake Christian...you're quite the complete Chump Cultist. :thumbup:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave: <--- read: Go eff yourself.

How many of the signers of the declaration of independence were clergymen?

how many of the signers of the declaration of independence were clergymen? - Google Search




Meanwhile look at the mean-spiritedness of this post. The viciousness of Liberalism/Femo-Fascism is on full display.

What are they defending? Answer: their own conceit and sense of superiority. ... no wonder they're so hostile.

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rubicon 10-04-2017 04:54 AM

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Did you really think you were going to get away with...another one of your outright lies? :oops:

1 out of 56 equals 'most'? No, it doesn't | PolitiFact




You're welcome. ;)


With being a plagiarizer, liar, bigot/racist, pseudo-intellectual and fake Christian...you're quite the complete Chump Cultist. :thumbup:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

That information was taken from the Worship column in the WSJ wherein a pastor made claim that 33 of the 56 signers were ordained pastors. I often keep copies of such facts.

Perhaps I misread the article but I am not a liar. a lair intends to deceive.

WHAT IS MORE ALARMING is your reaction not with one but three consecutive threads with insanity spread over the entire posts. Pal you need to get a grip because your response was way over the top and you apparently have unresolved issues . No reasonable person would respond in the manner as did you. I will keep you in my prayers.

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