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Goldwingnut 03-31-2019 08:56 PM

Fenney Putt & Play Parking Problems
 
10 months ago I predicted that parking would be a problem with parking at the Putt & Play. Didn't need a crystal ball for that one, just one flyover showed everything, see for yourself.

My Prediction

twoplanekid 03-31-2019 09:14 PM

Plenty of space to include car parking in this March 2017 picture -> Dropbox - IMG_5947.JPG

Goldwingnut 03-31-2019 09:20 PM

They could probably fill in some of the pond and put in parking but that will cause a major flap with SWFWMD, they really hate changes.

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-31-2019 09:31 PM

Pretty obvious it'd be a problem, since there is no -car- parking allowed there, and no one can get a golf cart to Fenney from the north. So anyone from the north who wants to use the pitch and putt, needs to park half a mile away and walk. That doesn't exactly sound like much fun - a mile's walk round trip, for the privilege of enjoying an amenity only select residents are allowed to drive to?

Uberschaf 04-01-2019 03:30 AM

Setup parking at a rec center and send a trolly down. I'm sure the realtors won't mind.

FMF Doc 04-01-2019 05:36 AM

That is not the only place like this in The Villages. I am sure the people in Hacienda at Mission Hills wouldn't appreciate parking in their neighborhood by people wanting to visit the park adjacent to their area that has golf cart parking only. I am sure there are a few other areas like this in The Villages. If people were a little bit more careful where they parked it may not be a problem. They park right at the corner, on both sides of the street and on people's lawns.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-01-2019 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FMF Doc (Post 1637752)
That is not the only place like this in The Villages. I am sure the people in Hacienda at Mission Hills wouldn't appreciate parking in their neighborhood by people wanting to visit the park adjacent to their area that has golf cart parking only. I am sure there are a few other areas like this in The Villages. If people were a little bit more careful where they parked it may not be a problem. They park right at the corner, on both sides of the street and on people's lawns.

No, that isn't it at all. People in Fenney are putting "no parking" signs in front of their lawns, and complaining that people are parking in front of their lawns. Some of the streets are very narrow and just can't accommodate two-way traffic PLUS cars parked on both sides of the street.

The problem isn't people parking. It's the developer's choices and plans, when they laid out the neighborhoods. I would suggest it is also the fault of the county zoning department for approving these plans and choices for roadways.

And the architect's design of the Putt -n- Play property; he should've known to ask "where will the cars park?"

Bogie Shooter 04-01-2019 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1637725)
Pretty obvious it'd be a problem, since there is no -car- parking allowed there, and no one can get a golf cart to Fenney from the north. So anyone from the north who wants to use the pitch and putt, needs to park half a mile away and walk. That doesn't exactly sound like much fun - a mile's walk round trip, for the privilege of enjoying an amenity only select residents are allowed to drive to?

Not that it will make any difference, there will be cart access to Fenney.

Is it really a half a mile?

ColdNoMore 04-01-2019 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1637805)
No, that isn't it at all. People in Fenney are putting "no parking" signs in front of their lawns, and complaining that people are parking in front of their lawns. Some of the streets are very narrow and just can't accommodate two-way traffic PLUS cars parked on both sides of the street.

The problem isn't people parking. It's the developer's choices and plans, when they laid out the neighborhoods. I would suggest it is also the fault of the county zoning department for approving these plans and choices for roadways.

And the architect's design of the Putt -n- Play property; he should've known to ask "where will the cars park?"

One can't help but wonder, if the "plan" all along was to limit the Putt & Play to primarily only local Fenney residents...who have golf carts? :shrug:

Nucky 04-01-2019 08:59 AM

The best way for people (US) to not make the situation worse is to steer clear of the Putt and Play until a better way of handling parking is implemented. We certainly can find other things to do with our time other than jamming up the people who should be living a stress-free life that this situation affects. Just use your head and think about what you would want to have happen if any potential problem arose in your neighborhood.

A solution is on its way now that the WAAAAAMBULANCE has rightfully arrived. We just have to be a little patient I would think! Isn't it something that a lot of the people with actual solutions don't even live there? The residents will take care of it all by themselves. Pain is a great motivator. Solutions take time.

Reminds me of people who have never been over the Golf Cart Bridge, Used the Cart Gate towards Lowes on 441 or used The Duke Energy Path that had solutions to all the problems with all three of them.

I guess you never know though someone who doesn't live near the problem could be the one with the answer, it is possible!

NatureBoy 04-01-2019 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1637839)
A solution is on its way now that the WAAAAAMBULANCE has rightfully arrived.

And better planning up front would prevent the Wambulance from showing up. I'm pretty astounded there's not a single car parking place at the P&P. Doesn't TV have plenty of people with handicapped tags who'd rather drive their car than a golf cart?

Perhaps it was planned to be a local amenity that wouldn't draw people from outside, but it's new so people are coming to check it out.

GWN called it - major problem that could have been avoided.

Rapscallion St Croix 04-01-2019 09:21 AM

Neither my circus nor my monkey.

FenneyFanatic 04-01-2019 09:47 AM

I thought Fenney didn't have any worthwhile amenities? Why all this noise about using them?

Bogie Shooter 04-01-2019 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FenneyFanatic (Post 1637878)
I thought Fenney didn't have any worthwhile amenities? Why all this noise about using them?

:1rotfl:

dewilson58 04-01-2019 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by NatureBoy (Post 1637858)
And better planning up front would prevent the Wambulance from showing up. I'm pretty astounded there's not a single car parking place at the P&P. Doesn't TV have plenty of people with handicapped tags who'd rather drive their car than a golf cart?

Perhaps it was planned to be a local amenity that wouldn't draw people from outside, but it's new so people are coming to check it out.

GWN called it - major problem that could have been avoided.




Minor problem as seen by a few.

JoMar 04-01-2019 10:17 AM

So if those around the P&P have visitors and guests, will they expect them to park at the rec center and walk to their homes.....and will Wildwood ticket the contractors that come in to work on their homes? There must be a better solution than having Wildwood put up no parking signs in front of their properties. That could set a precedent that Wildwood may not be prepared to address.

Bay Kid 04-01-2019 10:51 AM

Maybe TVs will provide a free cart use for northern neighbors?

Lottoguy 04-01-2019 11:01 AM

They might put in a Putt & Play at the new recreation center behind the big yellow church on 42. Fingers crossed....

ColdNoMore 04-01-2019 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1637919)
Maybe TVs will provide a free cart use for northern neighbors?

An opportunity for an entrepreneur...to provide a shuttle service?

Coffee & cookies on the way down, with a glass of whine and some cheese/crackers...on the way back? :1rotfl:

Seriously though, if a reservation system (I assume there isn't one now?) were instituted for "tee-times," I could see where a shuttle service with a little tournament thrown in (shotgun start)...might be popular with some 'northerners.'

Call it the..."Snowbirdie Shuttle?" :D

I imagine it wouldn't be quite so popular...with those who live there of course. :shrug:

woodg63 04-01-2019 12:57 PM

If filling in the ponds is a possibility then that would change the lots that residents bought around P&P. Water views are premium lots, would they get a refund of some sort if they change?

Dan9871 04-01-2019 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by woodg63 (Post 1637964)
What about the residents who paid for a water view lot there? Filling in the ponds changes the there lots. Refund???

The "ponds" aren't really ponds. They are there to retain water. Some years they are just muck fields of weeds and no one gets a refund on that.

FMF Doc 04-01-2019 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1637805)
No, that isn't it at all. People in Fenney are putting "no parking" signs in front of their lawns, and complaining that people are parking in front of their lawns. Some of the streets are very narrow and just can't accommodate two-way traffic PLUS cars parked on both sides of the street.

The problem isn't people parking. It's the developer's choices and plans, when they laid out the neighborhoods. I would suggest it is also the fault of the county zoning department for approving these plans and choices for roadways.

And the architect's design of the Putt -n- Play property; he should've known to ask "where will the cars park?"

For arguments sake you are right. I say close it down so no one can use it. There is another one to open down in the Southern Oaks area. Better hurry and call to make sure there is enough parking for cars and pick ups besides golf carts.

Tell them about the other areas too. The pond near Glenview Country Club with no car parking, the park by Hacienda at Mission Hills.

I don't understand why the whiners would want to come down here anyway with all the blasting going on and convicts escaping from Coleman Federal Prison not to mention the road dust from construction and being so far away.

:)

Bogie Shooter 04-01-2019 02:04 PM

Well for goodness sake, park at the rec center and walk. That's the healthy thing to do...……………………

asianthree 04-01-2019 02:24 PM

We have played P&P multiple times, parking at the rec center with no problems. It’s not enough steps to make a difference in health benefits, unless you walk back and forth at least 15 times:1rotfl:

dizz42 04-01-2019 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FMF Doc (Post 1637973)
I don't understand why the whiners would want to come down here anyway with all the blasting going on and convicts escaping from Coleman Federal Prison not to mention the road dust from construction and being so far away.

:1rotfl: But seriously, we live in Fenney and it can be dangerous. People come in cars and stop rear the P&P in the golf cart lane or they stop right at the entrance and unload people. Golf carts have to stop or go around and unfortunately, it seems sometimes the folks are just not in any hurry getting in or out. I understand the handicapped may need to be closer so perhaps a pickup/drop-off zone would work. Also, for some reason, people who do walk, walk in the golf cart lane, not the walking trail across the street. On busy days, it's a little scary driving around there.

Bogie Shooter 04-01-2019 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dizz42 (Post 1638012)
:1rotfl: But seriously, we live in Fenney and it can be dangerous. People come in cars and stop rear the P&P in the golf cart lane or they stop right at the entrance and unload people. Golf carts have to stop or go around and unfortunately, it seems sometimes the folks are just not in any hurry getting in or out. I understand the handicapped may need to be closer so perhaps a pickup/drop-off zone would work. Also, for some reason, people who do walk, walk in the golf cart lane, not the walking trail across the street. On busy days, it's a little scary driving around there.

Don't feel alone, its like that everywhere.
Yes, it does take some folks a little while to get in out and get out of a car......OMG

I have a similar problem with those that drop someone off in front for Publix.....any suggestions?

Nucky 04-01-2019 02:54 PM

I just saw the remnants of an accident on Main St. near the Spanish Spring Sales Office. I bet you anything those people were never thinking about what just occurred. That's why they don't call it an on purpose but instead call it an accident. Maybe a real hurtful accident is what it will take for something to change near the P & P. I don't wish that on anyone just painting a mental picture.

I don't know if this has been suggested before and I admit it may not work but thinking out of the box may be just the thing we need here until the Main Brains come up with a permanent answer. Why not drive down to where they rent the Golf Cart's In Fenney and Rent A Cart and Scooby Do over to the Putt & Play in the luxury of a $3.00 Golf Cart? Ta Da! Next Problem Please! :1rotfl::1rotfl::clap2::clap2::duck::popcorn:

Henryk 04-01-2019 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FMF Doc (Post 1637973)
For arguments sake you are right. I say close it down so no one can use it. There is another one to open down in the Southern Oaks area. Better hurry and call to make sure there is enough parking for cars and pick ups besides golf carts.

Tell them about the other areas too. The pond near Glenview Country Club with no car parking, the park by Hacienda at Mission Hills.

I don't understand why the whiners would want to come down here anyway with all the blasting going on and convicts escaping from Coleman Federal Prison not to mention the road dust from construction and being so far away.

:)

Oh! Can you enlighten me as to the numbers of escapees?

Mikeod 04-01-2019 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1637805)

The problem isn't people parking. It's the developer's choices and plans, when they laid out the neighborhoods. I would suggest it is also the fault of the county zoning department for approving these plans and choices for roadways.

And the architect's design of the Putt -n- Play property; he should've known to ask "where will the cars park?"

The problem isn’t the design of Putt-n-Play. It is exactly what it should be. The developer has to design features with the future in mind. The future is that there will be a golf cart connection between north of 44 and this area. Then those “up north” will be able to drive right to it. There would never be enough car spaces there without destroying the overall appearance, or, as others have indicated, taking away from someone else’s property to fix it. But the space provided will accommodate more carts. The advice to park at the rec center is correct. Those that don’t have the ability to make that walk just have to be patient for about a year until the connection is done.

Bogie Shooter 04-01-2019 03:21 PM

So, if you could walk the putt-n-play why couldn't you walk from the rec center?

dewilson58 04-01-2019 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1638035)
So, if you could walk the putt-n-play why couldn't you walk from the rec center?




Don't try to use logic.


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Velvet 04-01-2019 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1638035)
So, if you could walk the putt-n-play why couldn't you walk from the rec center?

Can I answer this question? Can I? Can I?

Some of us can walk 4000 steps a day but say not 8000 steps without pain. And just possibly would like to spend those steps on putt putting.

dewilson58 04-01-2019 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1638039)
Can I answer this question? Can I? Can I?

Some of us can walk 4000 steps a day but say not 8000 steps without pain. And just possibly would like to spend those steps on putt putting.




I've seen a lot of cars drop Seniors off at the entrance and then park the car.


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tophcfa 04-01-2019 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1638035)
So, if you could walk the putt-n-play why couldn't you walk from the rec center?

If you really have to ask that question then you are lucky to not be one of us folks that either have or need knee/hip replacements (or both) who each day only have a limited number of steps in our achey joints. A lack of availability of adequate parking shouldn't be a reason for keeping us from using the amities that we pay for each and every month.

vintageogauge 04-01-2019 03:59 PM

Not having a parking lot is also a pain for those who live here and do not have a golf cart. There is a very small percentage of people that live closer to the Putt and Play than the parking lots so they either have to walk further than those using the parking lots or drive a car and park it. They are most likely going to build another one of these somewhere in TV and it will be interesting to see whether or not they provide parking. When they first started building it I told my wife I would feel sorry for anyone living near it as parking is allowed on the side streets and people will be in front of their homes and walking on their lawns all day long. Nothing worse than banging car doors at nap time.

Bogie Shooter 04-01-2019 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1638046)
If you really have to ask that question then you are lucky to not be one of us folks that either have or need knee/hip replacements (or both) who each day only have a limited number of steps in our achey joints. A lack of availability of adequate parking shouldn't be a reason for keeping us from using the amities that we pay for each and every month.

Just had one.
I still think it is just a lot of whining...………………..

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-01-2019 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1637919)
Maybe TVs will provide a free cart use for northern neighbors?

This would be the logical solution. Fenney residents get free cart use when they drive north to golf, therefore northern Villagers should get free cart use when they drive south to putt-n-play. Or golf, for that matter.

When Fenney residents are no longer allowed to get free cart use, then the north side should no longer be allowed free cart use.

Alternately, Fenney residents should have to pay for cart use in the north, and carts should be made available for hourly rent to northerners visiting the south.

JSR22 04-01-2019 04:21 PM

They do not get free carts on the executive courses now
that they have 4 executive courses.. Free rentals on the championship courses because the aren't any championship courses South of 44.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-01-2019 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeod (Post 1638025)
The problem isn’t the design of Putt-n-Play. It is exactly what it should be. The developer has to design features with the future in mind. The future is that there will be a golf cart connection between north of 44 and this area. Then those “up north” will be able to drive right to it. There would never be enough car spaces there without destroying the overall appearance, or, as others have indicated, taking away from someone else’s property to fix it. But the space provided will accommodate more carts. The advice to park at the rec center is correct. Those that don’t have the ability to make that walk just have to be patient for about a year until the connection is done.

Your entire post assumes that everyone who wants to play at the putt-n-play owns a golf cart. This isn't a big golf course requiring a golf cart. You don't need a golf cart to play there, why would you need a golf cart to get there?

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-01-2019 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JSR22 (Post 1638056)
They do not get free carts on the executive courses now
that they have 4 executive courses.. Free rentals on the championship courses because the aren't any championship courses South of 44.

The point still applies since there isn't a putt-n-play north of 44 that people living north of 44 can get to.


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