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Vinny 07-11-2010 01:29 AM

Concealed carry guns
 
Does anyone know where in the Villages you cannot carry a concealed handgun? Cannot seem to find much on it. A family member with a ccw permit visits us often and asked me the question. All I was able to find was what the law prohibits and that private property can ask you to leave if you carry a gun. So basically he needs to know which places in the Villages post signs prohibiting guns. I cannot seem to find anyone that knows. Most just keep a gun at home for self defense and really do not know for certain which places in TV do not want a gun. Movie theater? Hospital? Doctor Office? Stores? I have been looking for signs at places I visit and have not seen any so I am asking for your help. Heard about a dropped gun going off in Walmart a few weeks ago. Really puzzles me as modern guns have drop safeties. From many years of shooting competitively and in combat I suspect the real reason they go off is that they start falling and the instinctive thing to do is grap it and sometimes people grab the trigger. If they went off when they were dropped, mine would have done so many times in Vietnam.

redwitch 07-11-2010 07:54 AM

So far as I know, as long as you have a Florida permit, you can carry a concealed weapon anywhere. I know I do and no one has ever made an issue of it nor have I seen a sign saying I can't. Of course, I don't pull it out and it truly is there for a very good reason. I do believe that if you carry a concealed weapon with an out-of-state permit, you cannot take it into public areas -- you will have to leave it in your vehicle, secured properly -- but I won't swear to this, either.

Bogie Shooter 07-11-2010 08:23 AM

Why would you need to carry a gun in TV?

bkcunningham1 07-11-2010 08:29 AM

See if this helps answer your question.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/ind...EChapter%20790

graciegirl 07-11-2010 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 274479)
Why would you need to carry a gun in TV?

OH Bogie I so agree.

That is a very good question indeed.

Dear Vinny. Do NOT carry it at the pool. Someone might steal it or it might get wet and all rusty.


I am teasing you Vinny, please don't point that thing at me.

Boy Howdy. Me and my big mouth.

Pats2010 07-11-2010 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 274479)
Why would you need to carry a gun in TV?

Why not? :confused:

Didn't they same the same thing at Ft. Hood? (I think it was Foot Hood that the terrorist killed all those soldiers)

billethkid 07-11-2010 08:38 AM

Here is a very informative web site on the subject of reciprocity:
 
http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal...state-laws.php

Scroll down and on the left side there is a travel planner that will provide what is needed to know on states one might travel to/through.

You cannot carry into a voting place; many bars prohibit carry even with a permit.

I never have a problem with when or where I carry and offend no one as it is my personal business/preference and not one for discussion.

btk

Bogie Shooter 07-11-2010 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pats2010 (Post 274482)
Why not? :confused:

I suppose one can never tell when someone will draw on you. Or we could have gunfights at the town squares on alternate Saturday's at noon.

graciegirl 07-11-2010 08:42 AM

You guys planning to come to the luncheon at Crispers?

Xavier 07-11-2010 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinny (Post 274458)
Does anyone know where in the Villages you cannot carry a concealed handgun? Cannot seem to find much on it. A family member with a ccw permit visits us often and asked me the question. All I was able to find was what the law prohibits and that private property can ask you to leave if you carry a gun. So basically he needs to know which places in the Villages post signs prohibiting guns. I cannot seem to find anyone that knows. Most just keep a gun at home for self defense and really do not know for certain which places in TV do not want a gun. Movie theater? Hospital? Doctor Office? Stores? I have been looking for signs at places I visit and have not seen any so I am asking for your help. Heard about a dropped gun going off in Walmart a few weeks ago. Really puzzles me as modern guns have drop safeties. From many years of shooting competitively and in combat I suspect the real reason they go off is that they start falling and the instinctive thing to do is grap it and sometimes people grab the trigger. If they went off when they were dropped, mine would have done so many times in Vietnam.

forgetaboutit

Sit back, relax, close your eyes and soak in paradise.

forgetaboutit

Xavier

billethkid 07-11-2010 08:44 AM

When one chooses to aquire a concealed weapons permit
 
it is a very personal decision for personal reasons. When or where or why one carries is not determined by a location such as TV....same way cops don't have to decide whether or where to wear their weapon.

An armed citizen is a criminals worst nightmare...ANYWHERE.

btk

graciegirl 07-11-2010 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 274488)
it is a very personal decision for personal reasons. When or where or why one carries is not determined by a location such as TV....same way cops don't have to decide whether or where to wear their weapon.

An armed citizen is a criminals worst nightmare...ANYWHERE.

btk

It kind of scares some law abiding citizens too. Man, am I glad I spent most of my life in West Chester, Ohio.

Xavier 07-11-2010 08:50 AM

Do you feel a distinct tone from those that hang out in the Political Forum?

Pats2010 07-11-2010 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xavier (Post 274490)
Do you feel a distinct tone from those that hang out in the Political Forum?

Tone of the law? Do you like to polarize people?

bkcunningham1 07-11-2010 09:00 AM

This isn't the political forum Xavier, but since you asked. The tone of my comment by supplying a link to state law, and as far as firearms is concerned, is the second amendment of the US Constitution. It's a law that has been around since 1791 and was just upheld in the Supreme Court decision McDonald v. Chicago.

mac9 07-11-2010 09:06 AM

Firearms, even with a conceal permit, are forbidden in schools (both public and private), state and federal parks, anywhere where alcohol is served, pharmacies, post offices, and all government (federal, state, and municipal) buildings.

Talk Host 07-11-2010 09:32 AM

I would remind everybody that living in the Villages does not shield you from real life. Don't forget there was a drug related homicide in The Villages a few years ago (in a private home). I was called for jury duty for that murder trial.

There have been dozens of home invasions, many of them while the homeowners were present.

Life in the Villages is wonderful, but please don't ever think that you are immune from real crimes being committed against you.

Most people choose not to carry a gun. Those that do are within their rights and have a slight upper hand when faced with a life threatening situation.

JLK

Talk Host 07-11-2010 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac9 (Post 274496)
Firearms, even with a conceal permit, are forbidden in schools (both public and private), state and federal parks, anywhere where alcohol is served, pharmacies, post offices, and all government (federal, state, and municipal) buildings.


I believe handguns are now allowed in National Parks. I may be wrong, but I think that was recently announced.

laryb 07-11-2010 09:56 AM

I don't carry a concealed weapon and don't plan to, but I do believe it's your right to. Having said that, I don't want to see everyone "packing heat" either. Now I can't speak for Redwitch, but I certainly understand her situation. A woman entering to inspect or maintain multiple homes everyday alone has every right to be able to protect herself. There are sicko's everywhere.

Bogie Shooter 07-11-2010 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 274508)
I would remind everybody that living in the Villages does not shield you from real life. Don't forget there was a drug related homicide in The Villages a few years ago (in a private home). I was called for jury duty for that murder trial.

There have been dozens of home invasions, many of them while the homeowners were present.

Life in the Villages is wonderful, but please don't ever think that you are immune from real crimes being committed against you.

Most people choose not to carry a gun. Those that do are within their rights and have a slight upper hand when faced with a life threatening situation.

JLK

Is this an opinion or are there facts somewhere that I can look up?

dpingram 07-11-2010 10:55 AM

I know that FL and Va have reciproca laws covering concealed weapons. As a VA resident if I travel to FL I can conceal my weapon but when I go through NC I have to have it out and visible. In VA you could not take a gun in an establishment that serves alcohol. That law was changed this year. You may take a gun in you just can't consume alcohol.
I wouldn't imagine that you would need a gun out and about in TV but you never know. The Town centers are public and so are the main roadways. I don't carry my gun everytime I go out. If I travel alone or am out at night I do put it in the car.
I'm not sure how the gun in Wal-Mart went off. My gun has a SAFETY.

dpingram 07-11-2010 10:59 AM

reciprocal (I left out the l)

mac9 07-11-2010 11:04 AM

Talk Host, you are absolutely right about national parks. It was prohibitted when I received my permit.

pooh 07-11-2010 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 274525)
Is this an opinion or are there facts somewhere that I can look up?

Searching online here quickly at TOTV brings up one instance....in Feb, 2009, Feb. 11th, on page C4 of The Daily Sun, a report of a forced entry here in our community. I'm sure there are other reports.

Before we moved here, I was told by a friend who has lived here for many, many years, that there are some thefts, break-ins, etc, but not on the same scale as outside of the community. While that isn't definitive proof, I do realize that no area is immune from crime. My neighbor had a delivery of aluminum for her new cage arrive while she was away. Her housesitter was awakened in the night by noises outside. It was discovered that thieves had tried to steal the material. At daylight, many pieces of the unassembled structure were found on the golf course hole her house faces.

Living here I feel much safer than where I did live previously. Neighbors are more aware of "different" in the neighborhood, they watch out for each other, help others, willingly offer time and energy to make their friends and neighbors feel happy and cared for. There seems no other place quite so nice.. :) Well, there probably is, but I have a lot of pride in my new hometown and can't imagine any place is quite like TV.

Pats2010 07-11-2010 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 274485)
I suppose one can never tell when someone will draw on you. Or we could have gunfights at the town squares on alternate Saturday's at noon.

Tell your joke to the victims of Fort Hood.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801...me_and_courts/

Pturner 07-11-2010 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 274508)
Most people choose not to carry a gun. Those that do are within their rights and have a slight upper hand when faced with a life threatening situation.

JLK

TH, I remembered an earlier post of yours on this subject that I found thought provoking. I'm curious if you've changed your view. The earlier one:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 274508)
I wonder how many people have ever pointed a loaded gun at a human being. I have. Let me tell you, all bets are off.

The thousands, no millions, of people who gloat that they will "blow away" anybody that threatens them, or breaks into their house, have no idea what it's like to hold somebody's life in their hands.

If you make the wrong decision in a split second, your whole life is lost. You can lose your house, your family, your home, or your life. If you make the wrong decision, you can spend the rest of your life in prison. In any event, you will spend the rest of time wondering if you did the right thing, or if their could have been an alternative.

When I was much younger, I was a cop for four years in Mahoning County, Ohio. I thought my uniform and my gun were a great equalizer. That notion faded fast the first time I had a man in my gun sight. Worse yet is the feeling when a wrong doer has you in his gun sight.

Aside from all the obvious ramifications of using a gun for defense in your home, I investigated a case where a man's wife lost most of her hearing permanently when her husband discharged a .357 magnum in their bedroom, shooting at an intruder. The intruder who was serious injured, but survived, was their drunk neighbor who wandered onto the wrong patio.

JLK


graciegirl 07-11-2010 12:15 PM

There will be no changing minds of people who are afraid here.

I see no reason to be afraid here.

Or to carry a gun.

Pats2010 07-11-2010 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 274543)
There will be no changing minds of people who are afraid here.

I see no reason to be afraid here.

Or to carry a gun.

I hope you are right, but you know what they say, about someone who hasn't been mugged yet. I wish there was no such thing as evil people. ( I also wish there was a Santa Clause);)

Taltarzac 07-11-2010 02:17 PM

Hope that they have mandatory training on how to use a gun.
 
I have an acquaintance here in the Villages whose wife thought that there was an intruder in the house. She ended up shooting the vacuum cleaner. I guess it shifted after someone put it a way.

I would think that a security level can of pepper spray would be as good as a handgun in most situations you would encounter in the Villages.

byars 07-11-2010 02:29 PM

for those against guns ive heard wasp spray is a good tool because of the range and what will do to someones eyes!! i prefer my s&w revolver. dont need a safety and very safe to use.

cabo35 07-11-2010 02:43 PM

The only NO CDW restriction sign I have seen is in the Lady Lake Post Office.

This site may answer many questions. The trend for the last 30 years has been toward less restriction on carrying weapons. If you surf this site that will be explained in a year by year graphic. It explains the permitting requirements state by state. Personally, I have two state CDW permits and a third that is nationwide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceal...tates#No-Issue

State by state reciprocity maps...very informative.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

Talk Host 07-11-2010 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 274525)
Is this an opinion or are there facts somewhere that I can look up?


Check with the sheriff's department. These were high profile cases and reported at the time in the Daily Sun. The perpetrators in some of these cases were arrested and are now serving time.

Several of the burglaries were at night and the invader walked into the bedroom of the sleeping residents.

I don't intent to research the exact dates for you, but they are available if you wish to check.

You could check this thread for some information about one of the situtations. There have been several. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...light=burglary or this one https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...light=burglary or this one https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...light=burglary or this one https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...light=burglary

K9-Lovers 07-11-2010 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 274543)
There will be no changing minds of people who are afraid here.

I see no reason to be afraid here.

Or to carry a gun.

Most people who carry guns are not doing so because they are "afraid". Other people who may not carry a gun but take take security precautions such as locking their doors and putting up motion sensor lights are not "afraid".

People who take precautions are not afraid but more aware of potential situations than others.

Please don't assume that because you've been lucky in your life to not experience break-ins, theft, violence, or worse, that it does not exist. Evil is alive and kicking on this earth, and that includes The Villages and even West Chester, Ohio. You can check local Sheriff and Police statistics easily on the internet. If you do, you may be surprised to learn that TV has quite a bit of crime against property. Fortuately, here in TV crime against people is quite low.

Graciegirl, I pray that evil never befalls you. You seem to be a very sweet and loving person. I am sweet and loving, too. But, I am aware that everyone is not like you.

graciegirl 07-11-2010 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K9-Lovers (Post 274590)
Most people who carry guns are not doing so because they are "afraid". Other people who may not carry a gun but take take security precautions such as locking their doors and putting up motion sensor lights are not "afraid".

People who take precautions are not afraid but more aware of potential situations than others.

Please don't assume that because you've been lucky in your life to not experience break-ins, theft, violence, or worse, that it does not exist. Evil is alive and kicking on this earth, and that includes The Villages and even West Chester, Ohio. You can check local Sheriff and Police statistics easily on the internet. If you do, you may be surprised to learn that TV has quite a bit of crime against property. Fortuately, here in TV crime against people is quite low.

Graciegirl, I pray that evil never befalls you. You seem to be a very sweet and loving person. I am sweet and loving, too. But, I am aware that everyone is not like you.

My neighbor who is from just outside New York city said much the same. It is easy to bring up statistics. We compared. You can too.

Thank you for your kind wishes. I have tried to work hard and place myself in places that are a little safer. This is one of them. No place is without unscrupulous people..ever or people who break laws... But I don't look to be hit by cross fire here anymore than I would in West Chester, Ohio. If you haven't been there, it is relatively safe.

People who carry guns are different than me. I may see the need someday. I don't now.

Vinny 07-11-2010 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 274479)
Why would you need to carry a gun in TV?

Some believe that if you carry you need to do it all the time. If you knew when you would need a handgun you would avoid the place or if that were not possible, take a cop with you.

People carry them all the time for the same reasons people carry spare tires. You never know when and where you will need it. I've picked up a nail in my tire driving on seemingly clean and safe roads. One of the reasons why Florida's concealed carry law was passed was due to the large senior citizen population being selected as easy targets. I can understand the concern of those who have moved here from safe towns and cities but some of us have seen what even "good" people can do to each other. Also try to attend one of those meetings with a local sheriff and you may learn that most of the crime in TV is caused by guests and other outsiders. At least consider the possibility of the risk in living in a community where many of the homes are rented out to strangers. Bad people take vacations too. :-) In the end, the sheep dogs will be around to protect the sheep. We all have to decide which of these we want to be.

pooh 07-11-2010 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 274592)
My neighbor who is from just outside New York city said much the same. It is easy to bring up statistics. We compared. You can too.

Thank you for your kind wishes. I have tried to work hard and place myself in places that are a little safer. This is one of them. No place is without unscrupulous people..ever or people who break laws... But I don't look to be hit by cross fire here anymore than I would in West Chester, Ohio. If you haven't been there, it is relatively safe.

People who carry guns are different than me. I may see the need someday. I don't now.

Hopefully, you will never have a need to carry a weapon, Gracie.

One thing that does bother me is that there are some unscrupulous individuals that do take advantage of older adults, here as well as in other parts of our country. Sometimes I think more cash is taken by dishonest businesses or business practices than by break-ins.

We do feel much more safe here, too, Gracie.

Russ_Boston 07-11-2010 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 274508)
Don't forget there was a drug related homicide in The Villages a few years ago (in a private home). I was called for jury duty for that murder trial.

Wasn't that a family situation? Ex boyfriend or something like that? Unless you have the gun on your person while you're watching the televison in your house it doesn't help much with a home invasion.

But if you feel the need - carry away! I don't and never will.

BobKat1 07-11-2010 05:27 PM

This issue will never be settled, or agreed upon, here on TOTV. As long as it's legal, personal preferences will prevail.

graciegirl 07-11-2010 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobKat1 (Post 274600)
This issue will never be settled, or agreed upon, here on TOTV. As long as it's legal, personal preferences will prevail.

You are right as usual BobKat.

I will put the silencer on.

Vinny 07-11-2010 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 274481)
OH Bogie I so agree.

That is a very good question indeed.

Dear Vinny. Do NOT carry it at the pool. Someone might steal it or it might get wet and all rusty.


I am teasing you Vinny, please don't point that thing at me.

Boy Howdy. Me and my big mouth.

Read my post. Did I say that I carried a gun? I shoot as a hobby at gun ranges so a lot of my friends and family carry guns and they wanted to be legal and polite for those times when they visit me. Gracie, that 80 year old lady behind you at the checkout counter may very well be packing heat. I have had 8 women in TV tell me that they carry a gun in the 7 weeks I have been here There is a movement afoot to allow open carry which means you would be allowed to carry a gun in plain sight. Might go well with the theme for the new town square.


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