Why are we opening ?
 

At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette

I am surprised that pools and restaurants are reopening. Keep hearing that City Fire has tons of people milling around all on top of each other.

Lost Interest
 

Have lost interest in the subject of Virus controls ! If you drive your golf cart in Sumter Landing it is astonishing how many groups are close to each other, (e.g.at Gators they are jammed in as is Red Sauce.) Then you have the Director of all Recreation Centers ignoring
the "Mask Rule"! He is the Poster Boy for those at the Squares ignoring the Doctors advise to wear a mask and "protect others". The best advise is to take care of yourself and don't preach as it is over ridden by lack of respect of your neighbor and Village Management. :ohdear:

If we don’t open, many will die. Yes suicide and depression and mental health issues will rise, but so will deaths from things people do not think about. Elective surgery and screening processes are not being done in some states. How many disease process are being missed leading to death? I am thinking of things like cancer screening, colonoscopies, pacemaker battery changes, cardiac stents, the list could be endless. Damn if we do, Damn if we don’t

We are reopening because the curve has been flattened, and we can be reasonably sure that new cases won't strain our capacity to care for them. Tens of millions of people have lost their livelihoods, and thousands of small business owners have lost everything, or are on the brink of losing everything. We are moving to the model we probably should have adopted in the first place: isolate the most vulnerable and everyone else practice good hygiene. If you don't feel safe going to a store or restaurant, don't go. But don't demand that millions of people sacrifice all they have to make you feel safe. There's no such thing as safety anyway. You can choose less risk, but guaranteed safety doesn't exist.

The true reality is that at some point life must resume living for the MAJORITY to continue to survive. At some point there will be a level of new cases and deaths that will be viewed as, it is what it is, and life will go on.

Just like the millions that get the flu and many thousands of them die......EVERY YEAR.....while life goes on.

More than half of all covid 19 deaths have occurred in just 4 states. There have been zero covid 19 deaths in over half of US counties. Should we all be bound by rules more appropriate for NYC?

You don't have to "open up" and can stay home until you feel safe. If the economy is not started up soon, there will not be anything to open up.

• U.S. COVID-19 death rate by state | Statista

No COVID-19 Deaths in Over Half of US Counties | Newsmax.com

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1761030]Because we have had no deaths in half the counties does not mean they aren't still vulnerable. I hear and agree that our economy will suffer terribly. Sometimes there are NO solutions to problems. THAT is what is scary.

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1761032]You are free to stay home until they can make a vaccine. The economy can't wait for that.

Population:

Florida: 21,500,000
New York: 19,500,000

Coronavirus cases:

FL: 38,828
NY: 337,421

Coronavirus deaths:

FL: 1,600
NY: 26,365

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1761038]I wholeheartily agree with this statement. But it comes with stipulations.

Maintain social distancing strictly, even for sporting events and concerts.

Wear masks when social distancing is not a viable option.

Average influenza season 44,000 Americans die in a population of about 330 million, or 1 in every 7500

Florida population 21,500,000 divided by 7500 = 2867 expected deaths from flu. Covid 19 deaths = 1600

That's why we are "opening up" Anyone who wants to stay home may feel free to do so.

Eventually we might all get it. Longer this goes on wondering if destroying the economy and many lives is worth it. As someone said earlier on this thread sometimes there is no right answer.

Why R we opening??..................nothing worse than grandparents getting a divorce.

Where are the number of tests??

513,341 tests done in Florida, so about 7% positive

[QUOTE=coffeebean;1761217]
What sporting and concert event?

All sporting events.....baseball, basketball, football to name three.
All concerts.....every one of them.

Social distancing is what I would like to see at all these events. Don't know how that is possible though.

Tonight in Brownwood, bluefin, city fire, all had tables space out 6 ft. There were chairs at the bar chairs spaced out can’t be moved. This is the 5 day I have eaten out, and watched the social distance restaurants are following. Actually watched a person taking pictures, walked around both restaurants multiple times before taking a picture, from the outside.

If you looked at the angle the picture was taken, it looked like everybody was sitting on top of each other. Not the 6 feet each table was really spaced at. Took a lot of patience to finally get the picture that will make those restaurants look bad. Such a shame

Why are we opening, think of those who have no income, no food for their children, and no way to pay rent. The system failed those who apply for unemployment

Nice coffee, Nice ride in the car, Nice wifey. This will be the way it goes hopefully until June 1st at my house. Somehow, Someway I think we shall survive.

Same thing a month ago on golf courses. Why is it that some people never learned to MYOB. Who appointed them official COVID police/photographers? One day they are going to snap a picture of the wrong person---sort of like Don Barzini in "The Godfather"

No
 

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are reopening because the curve has been flattened, and we can be reasonably sure that new cases won't strain our capacity to care for them. Tens of millions of people have lost their livelihoods, and thousands of small business owners have lost everything, or are on the brink of losing everything. We are moving to the model we probably should have adopted in the first place: isolate the most vulnerable and everyone else practice good hygiene. If you don't feel safe going to a store or restaurant, don't go. But don't demand that millions of people sacrifice all they have to make you feel safe. There's no such thing as safety anyway. You can choose less risk, but guaranteed safety doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]

Time to open or there will be nothing of an economy left to open to.

Don't take life Too Serious ..It isn't permanent

Logical answer
 

Every year tens of thousands of people die of the flu. Are you willing to shut down the world so people don’t get the flu?? If not, then your same answer should apply in this instance .

This has always been about protecting hospitals from being overwhelmed with everyone getting it at the same time because it is so contagious and worse than the flu. It is NOT about keeping everyone from getting it. Is your hospital close to being overwhelmed? Well there is your answer to why we are opening up

Here is another way to look at it. Tens of thousands of people die in car accidents every year. Many times because people are selfish and reckless when they drive. Are you willing to change the speed limit to 10 mph so that people don’t die from the actions of selfish people?

You can’t live in a perfectly safe world. You can make your own self as safe as you can.

It's hard to believe the statistics related to this virus. It's the medias way of scaring the people and a way of control and manipulation. Don't believe everything you read

I agree. Wait two weeks and see the uptick . we are all in the hi death group .its all about the $$$$ . sorry so many business will close. But better than more funerals .

Great. Another "expert" prediction

i agree photos can be misleading. depending on where you stand, & @ what angle you shoot, it can appear everyone is 'on top' of 1 another. point being we were @ 1 of the places where it was said people were crowding, when in reality, i saw nothing of the kind. knowing there are the 'fun police' watching every move is nothing short of pitiful

I look around at the people ignoring the safety guidelines and marvel at the number of people who have nominated themselves for the Darwin Award. As an asthma sufferer, I’ll be hiding out until there are treatments that reduce the likelihood of death. Especially for people like me.

Because life has to go on and we have to adapt to changes we face.

People need to work. They have families to feed. Unlike retirees who are are on fixed incomes. If you don’t feel safe going out, just stay home.

Very well put.

Open everything and let the natural selection begin

First of all, your numbers are off. I just checked them this minute and you’re about 300 high (1687) on the new deaths and you are way low on the recovered (223749) Secondly we’re not going to destroy our country economically over something that now as we find out more people have this is no more deadly than the flu which we never shut down for. If you don’t want to open up then stay home. That’s your choice, but you don’t have the choice for the rest of us.

Great read
Woodstock Occurred in the Middle of a Pandemic – AIER

Something is going to get you sooner or later. If scared please stay home.

All those who are receiving income or financially solid and want things to stay closed should have no say in the matter. And, remember, two years ago almost a million were hospitalized and there were about 80,000 deaths (per CDC) and nothing closed, nothing in the news about it either You have trade offs to make. There are millions suffering with zero income and many sit at home fat, dumb and happy. Nope. You are free to stay home but the others must get back to work (you do realize payroll taxes fund medicare, et. al., right?)

Another thing.....are we going to close down again next year? the year after? You realize sooner or later we will be hit again with another flu epidemic, right? Next time, nothing closes. You have to trust people will take precautions to protect themselves (like we have before) and others can stay at home again fat dumb and happy if they want. Otherwise, it's goodbye USA and by that time you probably should learn to speak Chinese.

66% of the new infections in NY, were folks not working and on stay at home orders. Think about it